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Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004


tfw your mod hat has been on too long

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Il Federale
Oct 10, 2012



loquacius posted:

she seems to just be saying "wfh sucks" which is absolutely true

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

There is a pro-worker position against work-from-home in that it blurs the distinctions between office-time and personal-time (i.e. you are effectively on-call all the time), and shifts a non-trivial amount of cost back to the worker to provide for their own work-space and work-station (a space, a desk, a computer, an internet connection, lighting, etc.) while allowing a business to employ more people while saving on office space

I would not be using Jeffery loving Toobin to make this argument

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
^ ^ ^ Yes, that.

I think people hate it for the same reason that it is not possible for a hotel clerk supervising 109 in-house guests to clock out for "breaks" (because literally the entire shift would be spent wearing a groove into the floor between the timeclock and the front desk).

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Nichael posted:

anyone insistent on labeling themselves x flavor leftism is a colossal dork who will inevitably go lib (if they aren't already) within three years. they cling to this stuff like JRPG classes.

In his case the class is "market socialist"

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
I still think that makes as much sense as "anarcho capitalism."

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/nataliesurely/status/1388505531401318401

lol the DSA anti-masking lady is now batting for Jeffrey Toobin


maybe this makes me a sicko pervert but this doesn't seem like a big deal and should probably have just been an embarrassing episode that everyone moves on from?

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

"whoops, I thought my camera was off" is not a valid excuse for literal dick-waving in front of female colleagues & subordinates.

I just posted a link to this reddit thread in the tara reade dnd thread bc I was so struck by how many women start experiencing harassment as young teens.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/TomWojcik/status/1386056884969484290

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Willa Rogers posted:

eg:

New Issue Brief:

‘Medicare At 60’ Costs And Consequences For Senior Care
Opening Up Medicare ‘Would Hasten Depletion’ Of Trust Fund & Could Cause Its Bankruptcy By 2024, Experts Warn

WASHINGTON – With the introduction of government proposals to open the Medicare program up to younger Americans, a new issue brief by Lanhee J. Chen, Ph.D., Tom Church and Daniel L. Heil provides the latest evidence of the unaffordable costs and negative consequences of “Medicare at 60.”

The issue brief, which was supported by the Partnership for America’s Health Care Future, concludes that “Medicare at 60” would absorb a majority of newly eligible Americans aged 60 to 64 years old – most of whom would otherwise be covered by private plans, such as employer-provided coverage – with Medicare expenditures likely to rise significantly as a result.

With Medicare’s trustees already warning that the program is at risk for today’s seniors and its Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund projected to be depleted by 2026 under current law, Chen, Church and Heil caution that implementing “Medicare at 60” in 2022 would “hasten the depletion of the trust fund” and could cause its bankruptcy by 2024, two years sooner than currently projected.

Lowering the Medicare eligibility age to 60 may also encourage many Americans to retire earlier, which “would affect the federal budget, reducing income and payroll tax revenue,” the authors write.

The issue brief finds if traditional Medicare rules were applied to the “Medicare at 60” population:

* In 2018, as many as 16.9 million of 18.2 million 60- to 64-year-olds who were not enrolled in Medicare would have enrolled in Medicare at 60.

* Medicare would serve as the primary payer for as many as 11.1 million of this group.

* Among this population, average Medicare-related expenditures were $8,400 in 2018. Assuming no change in average expenditures, the already-at-risk Medicare program could be forced to pay as much as $5,700 per new enrollee.

* With “Medicare at 60” implemented in 2022, the Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund would likely be depleted in 2024 unless policymakers adopt alternative financing methods for the new Part A expenditures.

Future analysis is needed to determine the more extensive effects this would have on the budget, cuts to health care providers, and disruption to current health care law and programs – among other considerations – and more research is expected to follow on these important topics.

Meanwhile, our nation’s health care system is working together to expand access to coverage and care, and a new analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) finds that “the number of people eligible for a subsidy to purchase Marketplace coverage has increased 20 percent from 18.1 million to 21.8 million with passage of” the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA), while “the majority of uninsured people (63 percent) are now eligible for financial assistance through the Marketplaces, Medicaid, or Basic Health Plans. In fact, more than four out of 10 uninsured people are eligible for a free or nearly free health plan through one of these programs.”

The Associated Press reports that ARPA represents “the biggest expansion of federal help for health insurance since the Obama-era Affordable Care Act,” and separate steps are already underway to extend open enrollment in the federal health care marketplace, eliminate ineffective red tape that can prevent Americans from accessing coverage options and urge the Supreme Court to uphold the Affordable Care Act.


With our health care system already working together to help Americans get healthy and stay healthy, this is not the time for one-size-fits-all proposals such as “Medicare at 60,” Medicare buy-in or the public option, which could ultimately lead to many of the same consequences as Medicare for All. Instead, our leaders should work together to build on and improve what’s working, where private coverage, Medicare and Medicaid work together to expand access to coverage and care in order to lower costs, protect patient choice, expand access, improve quality and foster innovation.

whoa I'm totally shocked that a conservative party is going to find a way to not do anything about healthcare

Zohar
Jul 14, 2013

Good kitty

gradenko_2000 posted:

how is "the US got to the mRNA vaccines first, and is refusing to share them with anyone else" a "Sputnik moment"? It's the US that's ahead of everyone - there's no wake-up on America's end because they got there first!

if anything it's a wake-up call for everyone else: America is going to gently caress you over at every opportunity, as if most of the world hadn't already realized that already

bear in mind it was actually a German company that invented it, the US just took the IP

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

gradenko_2000 posted:

There is a pro-worker position against work-from-home in that it blurs the distinctions between office-time and personal-time (i.e. you are effectively on-call all the time), and shifts a non-trivial amount of cost back to the worker to provide for their own work-space and work-station (a space, a desk, a computer, an internet connection, lighting, etc.) while allowing a business to employ more people while saving on office space

I would not be using Jeffery loving Toobin to make this argument

I agree with all of that but I think if a company handles it right, WFH is okay. My job is now fully WFH, but we always had a bunch of remote workers. You have your core hours or whatever, the 8 hour block that you choose where you're available and online etc, any other time you're not expected to be available and no one should expect to b able to reach you. Managers are supposed to remind people to take PTO and go outside, etc (mine does). They do give you a stipend for phone and internet service. It's not perfect but I like WFH but I can see how it can easily get worse. I actually found myself doing more on-call all the time stuff when I worked in an office because I would take my computer home and do work. When they sent us home in March of last year due to covid, I made a conscious effort to set times for when I was working and when I wasn't

(and even then I still shitpost in CSPAM all day lol)

I think my experience with WFH might be an exception and I don't blame anyone who hates it and I don't think it should be the way every business goes. It works for the company I work for because it's consulting and I'm working with people all over the world anyway, so 99% of my job it doens't matter if I'm in an office or at my home.

I do miss seeing my coworkers though. I talk to them on the phone but it's not the same.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Tubgoat posted:

I've literally never heard of this before in my life, including on May 1st, 2021. I thought this was some fascist holiday Biden made up on the spot this year. I don't remember hearing anything about it under Obama, either, and I think I'd've remembered a holiday that sounds like we bust open a piñata shaped like human rights and environmental stewardship.

I’ve heard about it before living in this godfirsaken land and it’s obviously just to have something to clog up the airwaves with in lieu of May Day. I probably looked it up on Wikipedia.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

we've now moved from "we need to change to change the Democrat party from the inside" to "we need to change the DSA from the inside"

what's next? You need to change your HOA from the inside?

spacemang_spliff posted:

I agree with all of that but I think if a company handles it right, WFH is okay. My job is now fully WFH, but we always had a bunch of remote workers. You have your core hours or whatever, the 8 hour block that you choose where you're available and online etc, any other time you're not expected to be available and no one should expect to b able to reach you. Managers are supposed to remind people to take PTO and go outside, etc (mine does). They do give you a stipend for phone and internet service.

Right. There's definitely also a way to do WFH "correctly", I was just trying to explain why it can also be a problem.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Did unions or immigrant groups join mass mobilizations anywhere in the US for May Day? Wtf is the plan to pass the PRO Act or put pressure on for immigration reform if they can't even mobilize for May Day.

DSA did seem to try to act as an anchor for mobilization in lots of cities, so unironically good job guys. Sucks that the actually unions didn't turn anyone out.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

maybe this makes me a sicko pervert but this doesn't seem like a big deal and should probably have just been an embarrassing episode that everyone moves on from?



I don’t think that’s that big a deal IMO but lol at equating it with Toobin’s situation, which really does not bolster this particular case.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

gradenko_2000 posted:

we've now moved from "we need to change to change the Democrat party from the inside" to "we need to change the DSA from the inside"

what's next? You need to change your HOA from the inside?


Right. There's definitely also a way to do WFH "correctly", I was just trying to explain why it can also be a problem.

You’re not allowed to change it from the inside, either

https://inthesetimes.com/article/dsa-socialist-alternative-entryism-socialism-marxism posted:


The Dangers of Factionalism in DSA
The remarkable growth of Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) over the past four years, from a group with a few thousand members to one with fifteen times that number, has made it the most significant U.S. socialist organization in nearly a century. Successful campaigns to elect open democratic socialists to public office have given the DSA real, if still embryonic, political influence. Four members — Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib — now sit in the House of Representatives. Together with Bernie Sanders in the Senate, this is the largest number of self-avowed democratic socialists ever to hold Congressional office simultaneously, to say nothing of the scores of DSA members who have been elected to state legislatures, county boards and city councils in recent years.

As DSA has grown in size and political influence, so too has the interest it has attracted from small political groups to its left. These ​“sects,” short for sectarian organizations, see opportunities for themselves in the large numbers of young people new to politics who have joined DSA, viewing them as potential recruits for their emaciated ranks.

The recent announcement of the Trotskyist organization Socialist Alternative (SAlt) that its members were coming aboard, followed by a similar declaration from its leading member, Kshama Sawant, has simply made public a process that has been underway for some time — that various marginal Trotskyist organizations have infiltrated the DSA in a practice known as ​“entryism.”

What is entryism and what kind of impact could it have on DSA?

Let’s start with this disingenuous passage in the SAlt announcement:

We realize that DSA has a national ​“ban” on members of democratic centralist organizations joining. However, many DSA members we’ve talked to oppose this Cold War holdover and are excited about Socialist Alternative members joining. While this rule was originally created to prevent Marxists from joining DSA, in recent years, a new generation of DSA activists have changed the organizations’ politics for the better, many of them identifying as Marxist. We think DSA should remove this exclusionary rule as another useful step towards transforming the socialist left into an important component for the emerging class struggles.

We, the undersigned, were involved in the crafting and adoption of the DSA Constitution that the SAlt communiqué alluded to. We have been a part of DSA’s first generation of national leadership, and we have served in its two predecessor organizations, the New American Movement and the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee. SAlt’s claim that Marxists have been ​“banned” from joining DSA is a self-serving fiction, and they know it.

Many in the original leadership of DSA identified as Marxists. Michael Harrington, one of our two national co-chairs and our most prominent leader at the time of DSA’s founding, wrote a number of widely read books in which he made a case for Marx’s vision of socialism as democratic. Others of us who did not call ourselves Marxists never considered that they should be excluded from DSA.

Even if DSA’s founders had not included many self-avowed Marxists, simple logic dictates that if we did not want them in our ranks, our Constitution would have explicitly prohibited them from joining. It did not. Contrary to the fables of SAlt, there are no political or ideological tests for joining DSA, no ​“bans” on who can join, and no approval process for new members. Don’t take our word for it: Read the document as it’s written. Ask yourself how any member of SAlt, past and present, could have joined DSA.

DSA’s founders believed that we should assume the good faith of those who wanted to join our ranks, but we were not naïve. We were experienced and battle-hardened democratic socialists who had come from every part of the U.S. Left: women and men who had been leaders of the Socialist Party, the Communist Party, and various Trotskyist organizations, who were part of the Old Left of the 1930s and the New Left of the 1960s, and who came out of trade unions and civil rights, feminist and LGBTQ groups.

Assumptions notwithstanding, our rich collective memory told us that there would be small numbers of people who joined DSA in bad faith, that these people would behave in ways that were injurious to the mission and work of DSA, and that this behavior would need to be addressed. We knew from our history that the more successful DSA became, the more people would enter it for reasons other than advancing its mission. In the most extreme of these cases, DSA could well find that it needed to use the most serious penalty a democratic organization can levy against a member — expulsion. And given the gravity of such a step, we wanted to make sure that the Constitution specified its conditions so it would not be employed capriciously. Moreover, we wanted to ensure that there was due process for the member being expelled.

With this in mind, we wrote the following:

Members can be expelled if they are found to be in substantial disagreement with the principles or policies of the organization or if they consistently engage in undemocratic, disruptive behavior or if they are under the discipline of any self-defined democratic-centralist organization. Members facing expulsion must receive written notice of charges against them and must be given the opportunity to be heard before the NPC or a subcommittee thereof, appointed for the purpose of considering expulsion.

The first two grounds for expulsion are self-explanatory. The last ground — that a person was ​“under the discipline of any self-defined democratic centralist organization” — requires some historical background.

Entryism in the 1930s

In 1928, the U.S. Communist Party banished a small group of individuals from its ranks on the grounds that they were associates of Leon Trotsky, the Bolshevik leader who had been purged from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union during a factional struggle that had broken out after Lenin’s death. For years, these renegades were spurned by the rest of the U.S. Left while they sought readmission to the CP in vain. By the mid-1930s and the start of the Moscow Trials in the Soviet Union, it was clear that their expulsion would not be reversed, and the Trotskyists began to look for ways out of the political wilderness in which they found themselves.

In the American Workers Party (AWP), organized by labor educator A. J. Muste, they saw a path back to relevance. The AWP was an attempt to form a uniquely American revolutionary Marxist party that broke with a U.S. Left whose politics were beholden to different strains of European socialism and communism. In its very brief existence, the AWP had done impressive labor organizing, highlighted by its leadership of the Toledo Auto-Lite strike — one of the epic work stoppages of the 1930s.

Muste was initially skeptical of Trotskyist appeals to combine forces. The AWP was a more substantial organization with deeper roots in the labor movement, and he found the Trotskyist leaders to be dogmatic and uncreative in their politics. Nonetheless, New York intellectuals Sidney Hook and James Burnham convinced him that a merger was a good idea. But Muste did place one condition on agreeing to the merger: that the Workers Party (WP) would not enter the Socialist Party.

This was a key point for Muste because the French Trotskyists, acting under the direction of Trotsky himself, had just allied with the French Socialists in a maneuver that came to be known as the ​“French turn.” After a short stay in the French Socialists, during which they garnered recruits and promoted their politics, the Trotskyists split its ranks, denounced the Socialists, and reorganized as a purely Trotskyist party. Muste was promised that this would not happen in the United States.

Almost immediately, the Trotskyists went back on their word, forcing the question of entry into the U.S. Socialist Party. Weakened by the loss of long-term political associates who were unwilling to join forces with the Trotskyists, Muste lost the vote and the Workers Party, now firmly under Trotskyist control, entered the Socialist Party.

Once inside, the Trotskyists acted as a ​“party within a party,” maintaining their own leadership structure (which regularly plotted factional moves within the Socialists) and publishing their own newspaper (which criticized the policies of the Socialist Party and promoted such Trotskyist projects as the founding of a Fourth International). Most important, all of the Trotskyists in the Socialist Party acted as one, under a single organizational discipline: they followed a pre-established ​“political line” Trotskyist leadership had laid down in all debates and votes inside the Socialist Party.

In short order, the Trotskyists forced a split in the Socialists and left with a thousand new members for their Socialist Workers Party (SWP), including much of the Socialists’ youth section. After this stratagem was complete, Trotskyist leader James Patrick Cannon boasted not only of the Trotskyists’ success in growing their numbers, but also of the fact that they had left the Socialist Party in shambles.

Cannon took pride in having engineered a major setback for the U.S. Left: By the 1930s, the ranks of the Socialist Party had grown dramatically, making it into a potentially significant force in U.S. politics. But after a series of misjudgments and internal crises, cresting with its disastrous co-habitation with the Trotskyists, the Socialist Party ended the decade as a shadow of its former self. For U.S. socialists of the 1930s, a number of whom would co-found the DSA decades later, this was a searing political ordeal they would not forget. Muste himself was deeply shaken by these events, which he would describe as a violation of ​“working class ethics,” and he left the Trotskyists.

The Trotskyists’ entry into the Socialist Party, organized as a disciplined ​“party within a party” to garner recruits and split its ranks, established the template for what we now call ​“entryism” on the U.S. Left.

Entryism in the 1960s

Entryism is not a practice limited to Trotskyist sects, as the experience of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) in the 1960s shows. The 1960s were a period of mass upsurge, much like the 1930s and our current time. The civil rights movement and the opposition to the war in Vietnam generated unprecedented levels of political activism among young people, and SDS grew mightily among white students, approaching an estimated 100,000 members at its peak. Much like DSA and the earlier Socialist Party youth section, the vast bulk of the SDS recruits were new to politics, making it a rich hunting grounds for small, disciplined ultra-left groups.

One of these was the Progressive Labor Party (PLP). Founded in 1962 after splitting from the Communist Party, PLP was initially supportive of Maoist China but would soon decide that even Mao was insufficiently communist for their tastes. It would then position itself as the most dogmatically Stalinist sect on the U.S. Left.

By 1966, PLP was recruiting inside the SDS, where it urged members to adopt its ultra-Stalinist politics and seize control of the SDS organizational infrastructure. PLP’s efforts at taking over SDS set off a destructive cycle, producing counter-factions that included a group that later became the Weathermen. Within a decade, the SDS would be destroyed.

Herein lie the dual dangers of entryism. On the one hand, it poses a threat to the organizational integrity of an open and democratic organization. Entryism is the sectarian equivalent to a hostile corporate takeover designed to split or seize control of its target organization. At a minimum, it seeks to poach members new to politics who may not be aware of the stratagem being employed. On the other hand, it disrupts the internal democratic processes of that organization, which depend on members engaging in honest debate and deliberation over policies and political strategies.

Entryists enter all debates and votes not with an open mind and a willingness to be persuaded, but with the express intent of advancing a political line that has already been decided in advance. Such tactics can quickly poison democratic political cultures, especially when opponents resort to the kinds of tactics they did in SDS.

To be politically effective, democratic socialist organizations need to develop methods of unity in action. These include open and full discussions of issues, democratic decision-making processes, and a commitment by all not to impede or undercut decisions once they have been democratically made. When entryist sects function as a disciplined ​“party within a party,” they undermine that unity in action.

Just as DSA’s founders remembered what the Trotskyists did to the Socialist Party in the 1930s, its first generation of members saw what Progressive Labor did to SDS in the 1960s. Two organizations that gave the Left its best chance to exercise real political power in the U.S. had ended disastrously, in large measure because of sectarian entryism. (These techniques similarly sabotaged a promising national movement of socialist-feminists in the 1970s.)

DSA’s Constitution singles out members ​“under the discipline of any self-defined democratic-centralist organizations” for possible expulsion to prevent these very outcomes. The drafters chose their words carefully: they do not specify a political belief or even membership in an organization, instead targeting those who aim to form a ​“party within a party” like the Trotskyists and the Stalinist PLP before them. This language has everything to do with ensuring the survival of an open, democratic institutions and absolutely nothing to do with ​“Cold War” politics.

The Socialist Alternative understands this, despite its claims to the contrary. After all, SAlt is the progeny of one of the best-known entryist projects in international socialist history, the Militant Tendency of the British Labour Party. From their founding in 1964 to their expulsion in the 1980s, these Trotskyists operated as a disciplined ​“party within a party” inside of Labour, using the entryist tactics described above.

SAlt was founded as Labor Militant in 1986 by members of the British Militant Tendency who had moved to the United States as part of an organized effort to create a Trotskyist international. (It adopted its current name in the late 1990s.) Perhaps unsurprisingly, the organization has splintered into several smaller factions since its founding amid personality conflicts, and there now exist competing internationals, although SAlt remains the largest group in the United States.

Why, then, is it trying to join DSA? SAlt’s own statement indicates that it opposes the very strategy that has allowed DSA to grow over the last four years — campaigns to elect democratic socialists to office, using the Democratic Party ballot line — so it would be hard to make a case for a political convergence. In this light, SAlt’s call to eliminate any barriers to entryism in DSA constitution is telling.

Openings for socialists don’t come along often in United States: only three times in the last 100 years has the Left had a change to make a major political breakthrough. DSA, with its rapid growth and electoral victories, could be central to such a breakthrough. Which is why we must acknowledge the deleterious role entryism played in the radical movements of the 1930s and 1960s. If we are to succeed where past generations have failed, it is vital that we not repeat their mistakes.

Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

custom title

Some Guy TT posted:

shrek had the power to destroy the monarchy but instead chose to empower it hes no better than meghan markle



MORE

*CLAP*

OGRE

*CLAP*

MONARCHS

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
broke: loyalty day

woke: law day

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
didn't Carter invent a holiday specifically to celebrate the dude who got convicted for the My Lai massacre

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

didn't Carter invent a holiday specifically to celebrate the dude who got convicted for the My Lai massacre

that cant be right everyone knows americans were horrified by my lai and that it turned the country against the war why to suggest otherwise would be tantamount to saying that everything we think we know about our countrys recent history is a bald faced lie

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

gradenko_2000 posted:

we've now moved from "we need to change to change the Democrat party from the inside" to "we need to change the DSA from the inside"

what's next? You need to change your HOA from the inside?

"I hate [the problem]!"

"Have you tried being [the problem] but better?"

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

gradenko_2000 posted:

didn't Carter invent a holiday specifically to celebrate the dude who got convicted for the My Lai massacre

it was an entire week

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

gradenko_2000 posted:

we've now moved from "we need to change to change the Democrat party from the inside" to "we need to change the DSA from the inside"

what's next? You need to change your HOA from the inside?


Right. There's definitely also a way to do WFH "correctly", I was just trying to explain why it can also be a problem.

Oh yeah I agree with what you said. I think it's more likely to be bad than good, since most jobs aren't something that can easily be retrofitted to WFH and aren't going to make a concerted effort to make sure employees aren't getting burnt out. But that probably doesn't matter to most emoloyers

Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014

Willa Rogers posted:

Opening Up Medicare ‘Would Hasten Depletion’ Of Trust Fund & Could Cause Its Bankruptcy By 2024, Experts Warn

how about these guys hasten depletion of cum from my balls instead

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp

:mmmhmm:

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003


can $5.47 a day even buy a sandwich at nyc prices?

BitcoinRockefeller
May 11, 2003

God gave me my money.

Hair Elf

mawarannahr posted:

I don’t think that’s that big a deal IMO but lol at equating it with Toobin’s situation, which really does not bolster this particular case.

Yeah people defending Toobin are strange to me. I don't think it's a much hotter than room temperature take to say people like Toobin who are jerkin it during work meetings, even if they think the camera is off, are okay with the camera being on, and the possibility of a little "accident" like that happening is the whole point of what they're doing.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

gradenko_2000 posted:

Trump didn't do it and the media accused him of being a communist

trump definitely did do it as well, i remember because liberals who hadnt heard of it were freaking out at this dictatorial behavior

Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

custom title

BitcoinRockefeller posted:

Yeah people defending Toobin are strange to me. I don't think it's a much hotter than room temperature take to say people like Toobin who are jerkin it during work meetings, even if they think the camera is off, are okay with the camera being on, and the possibility of a little "accident" like that happening is the whole point of what they're doing.

I wonder what the venn diagram of "Toobin Defenders" and "people who are browsing porn and/or jacking it during zoom meetings" looks like.

Pepperoneedy
Apr 27, 2007

Rockin' it



https://twitter.com/PhillyInquirer/status/1388916853154721797

Parity warning
Nov 1, 2009



3rd Place, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Bootleg Trunks posted:

Did the bride from rbgs covid wedding ever resurface

her twitter is still locked down, idk about the husband

that remains one of the funniest things to ever happen and exemplifies the baby brained arrogance of libs perfectly. not enough to have a modest and safe wedding, gotta have your epic parks and rec celebrity guest appearance and of course nothing could possibly go wrong because they're the good guys

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp

Parity warning posted:

her twitter is still locked down, idk about the husband

that remains one of the funniest things to ever happen and exemplifies the baby brained arrogance of libs perfectly. not enough to have a modest and safe wedding, gotta have your epic parks and rec celebrity guest appearance and of course nothing could possibly go wrong because they're the good guys

DONALD J TRUMP appointed 3 supreme court justices LMAO

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp
I still think he should have appointed himself to the last one

he might still do that if he wins in 2024

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1388914106728689664

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

No one has ever thought less of their voters than Chris Coons does. And he keeps being proven right.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

jan 6 was an op. very simple

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
all presidents have done Loyalty Day for close to a century. does that make all president fascist? yes.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
i have on good authority that hillary clinton, along with jeffrey epstein (who lives,) general flynn & steve bannon organized the jan 6 "insurrection" for a litany of yet undisclosed nefarious purposes. the stench of the CIA, NSA, and of course ATF waft off the bodies scattered through the capitol subbasement. some say even harry reids fingerprints can be seen on the plexiglass cases of heretofore unused and undiscovered control panels blinking in the darkness beneath those hallowed halls. do you think the q shaman was real? the wool has been pulled over your eyes. wake up.

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Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Lansdowne posted:

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1388849702209310720

sorry, just have to stand by and make other people figure out their own vaccines because of 1/6 and the constitution and the need to reengage in cold war era dick waving

why didn't anyone bother to primary this guy?!

some people had a "die-in" at his house today to oppose this. I wonder if they realize people with power are sociopaths that are 100% immune to shame???

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