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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Ignore 'em. No reason to go to cspam ever. I'm trying to step down how much attention I pay to tankies. There's no point, they can't be convinced, nobody from the outside can do anything to force China to stop wiping out its minority populations, it's just winding me up for no benefit. Being mad on the internet isn't going to get my friends out of the concentration camps or save others from being disappeared. People want to post about how hard they get at the CCP's final solution to the minzu problem, that's their personal psychosis. It doesn't change anything.

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Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

I always found the Overlord tank to be lame compared to the mighty Helix

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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CSPAM is reading our posts?

Hey CSPAM, suck my dick from behind you genocide denying fuckfaces.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

I would criticise CSPAM but I'm afraid I'll be first against the wall if I do :ohdear: just as soon as they have resolved a quick quibble on internal ideology...

Ninurta
Sep 19, 2007
What the HELL? That's my cutting board.

It's a bird, it's a plane, no wait, it's a 21 ton Long March rocket falling on your house.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/huge-rocket-chinas-space-station-180416640.html

quote:

"I think by current standards it's unacceptable to let it reenter uncontrolled," Jonathan McDowell, an astronomer who tracks objects orbiting Earth, told Jones. "Since 1990 nothing over 10 tons has been deliberately left in orbit to reenter uncontrolled."

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
The B Variant essentially attaches the payload (in this case a Space Station) to the main core/sustainer.



Since there is no second/upper stage, there is also no RCS to make a controlled de-orbit with. So the whole thingy becomes a happy present after separation. You can track its current orbit here: http://stuffin.space/?intldes=2021-035B

Dante80 fucked around with this message at 02:00 on May 2, 2021

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


some miserable cspammers invaded a thread for a podcast i listen to because they thought dunking on the host for fleecing over $400k out of corporate america was a good look. online leftists get it right that the world is hosed up largely because everyone is stupid but forget that includes them.

speaking of podcasts, has anyone listened to that With Chinese Characteristics one that seems to have bought an ad on the forums? i'm gonna give it a shot.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Grand Fromage posted:

Ignore 'em. No reason to go to cspam ever. I'm trying to step down how much attention I pay to tankies. There's no point, they can't be convinced, nobody from the outside can do anything to force China to stop wiping out its minority populations, it's just winding me up for no benefit. Being mad on the internet isn't going to get my friends out of the concentration camps or save others from being disappeared. People want to post about how hard they get at the CCP's final solution to the minzu problem, that's their personal psychosis. It doesn't change anything.

We just had an infestation of genocide deniers in the D&D AusPol thread, which was a bit of a surprise.

But it always falls into the same three :airquote:arguments:airquote:

1) USA bad, therefore China good.

2) If the government currently engaging in genocide says they're not engaging in genocide, shouldn't we believe them? After all, they should know, right?

3) C'mon! It's not literally genocide. It's sparkling ethnic cleansing.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Mostly I see Adrian Zenz is the only source for these claims and he's not credible because he works for the victims of communism memorial foundation.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Conveniently ignoring all the testimony from people who have escaped.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
There's the elephant in the room that getting real about what the chinese regime is doing in xinjiang forces them to look at, which is that the hammer and sickle is an obscenity like the swastika; a symbol of vicious evil, crimes against humanity, violent mass repression, horror, murder and genocide.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


It's wild when people so dim they'll accept anything the Chinese government says as true simultaneously deny the existence of concentration camps that the Chinese government itself says it runs in Xinjiang.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Xinjiang? Yeah, I love it. I'm also a huge fan of the Holodomor and the Khmer Rouge.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Weka posted:

Mostly I see Adrian Zenz is the only source for these claims

This is a straight up lie made up by tankies

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

hakimashou posted:

There's the elephant in the room that getting real about what the chinese regime is doing in xinjiang forces them to look at, which is that the hammer and sickle is an obscenity like the swastika; a symbol of vicious evil, crimes against humanity, violent mass repression, horror, murder and genocide.

theyre using slave labor and organ harvesting to monetize the genocide, how communist is this

capitalist roaders gonna capitalist road :colbert:

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

Grand Fromage posted:

Ignore 'em. No reason to go to cspam ever. I'm trying to step down how much attention I pay to tankies. There's no point, they can't be convinced, nobody from the outside can do anything to force China to stop wiping out its minority populations, it's just winding me up for no benefit. Being mad on the internet isn't going to get my friends out of the concentration camps or save others from being disappeared. People want to post about how hard they get at the CCP's final solution to the minzu problem, that's their personal psychosis. It doesn't change anything.

No you stupid outlander 汉化 is praxis you loving idiot you absolute DUMBASS

Let me tell you how the hmong and tibetans are actually cia bad actors and NEEDED to be dealt with to save maoism!!!!!

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Weka posted:

Mostly I see Adrian Zenz is the only source for these claims and he's not credible because he works for the victims of communism memorial foundation.

The dude in the Auspol thread who was a Genocide-denier was saying this also.

This ignores all the testimony from Uighurs both in and out of China talking about relatives in the death camps. This ignores all the testimony from death-camp escapees.

This ignores all the footage of the actual death camps themselves. This ignores the famous footage of kneeling, ziptied, Uighurs with bags on heads being forced onto trains.

This ignores that every journalist, even the ones given the CCP friendly tours, that has ever come out of Xinjiang has said "something dodgy is happening there." This ignores the secrecy and defensiveness that the CCP officials do if Xinjiang is even obliquely mentioned.

Especially when the "proof" that genocide is not happening so often comes down to "The Chinese sya it isn't happening, and I believe them. The US says it is and I don't believe them."

I don't know who Adrian Zenz is, so I am happy to concede that he may well be a religious fundie with a hard on for hating communism. YAY for that.

But it doesn't change the fact that Genocide is happening, and that Genocide is a bad thing that must at the very least be opposed.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Zenz is a dumbass weirdo. That fact leading you to dismiss everything else and support concentration camps makes you vastly more of a dumbass piece of poo poo than Zenz ever will be.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010


They are all Adrian Zentz.

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

pikachu looking at?

Megillah Gorilla posted:

We just had an infestation of genocide deniers in the D&D AusPol thread, which was a bit of a surprise.

But it always falls into the same three :airquote:arguments:airquote:

1) USA bad, therefore China good.

2) If the government currently engaging in genocide says they're not engaging in genocide, shouldn't we believe them? After all, they should know, right?

3) C'mon! It's not literally genocide. It's sparkling ethnic cleansing.

"It's just the consent manufacturing machine trying to turn me against genocide"

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
Auspol pro China shills being paid by Bob Carr. He pays in rare tazo's and oddbodz.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

McGavin posted:

Xinjiang? Yeah, I love it. I'm also a huge fan of the Holodomor and the Khmer Rouge.

Ahh greetings

Stink Billyums
Jul 7, 2006

MAGNUM
https://twitter.com/niubi/status/1388539777767596035

Booty Pageant
Apr 20, 2012
how much shilling and bootlicking does someone haver to do for a han wife and organ transplants??

asking for a friend

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
when they stickied the literal genocide denial thread to "explain" what was going on it was a bunch of unhinged tankies dismissing the entire thing as western propaganda, and I saw someone basically stretch that logic all the way back to the 90s to state that anything negative you've heard in the western media about China has all been part of CIA/foreign imperialist attempts to hold China back.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

That whole thread was wild.

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

pentyne posted:

CIA/foreign imperialist attempts to hold China back.

yeah why would anyone want to hold this good and normal government back

e: original tweet removed https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56963996

d0s fucked around with this message at 01:22 on May 3, 2021

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

pentyne posted:

when they stickied the literal genocide denial thread to "explain" what was going on it was a bunch of unhinged tankies dismissing the entire thing as western propaganda, and I saw someone basically stretch that logic all the way back to the 90s to state that anything negative you've heard in the western media about China has all been part of CIA/foreign imperialist attempts to hold China back.

jesus

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

I've asked this before in this thread, but it still bothers me.

Why do we hear about the CCP crackdowns/oppression in Hong Kong, but not so much about Macau?

Does Macau just bend over and take being under the thumb of the mainland? Is there a cultural difference? Are the CCP employing a softly softly approach so as not to disturb the Casino cash?

I understand why China doesn't just annex it, (Macau has casinos, and the casinos are huge cash cows. So it is good for the CCP to have cash producing casinos, and places for Chinese people to gamble in "not really but still also kinda China"), but you'd think that they would have the same hard on for control that they do with Hong Kong.

Sorry if this is a stupid question.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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One of the funniest yet most underappreciated CSPAM moments recently was that time that they bought a banner ad asking the rest of the forums to give them free money

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

BrigadierSensible posted:

I've asked this before in this thread, but it still bothers me.

Why do we hear about the CCP crackdowns/oppression in Hong Kong, but not so much about Macau?

Does Macau just bend over and take being under the thumb of the mainland? Is there a cultural difference? Are the CCP employing a softly softly approach so as not to disturb the Casino cash?

I understand why China doesn't just annex it, (Macau has casinos, and the casinos are huge cash cows. So it is good for the CCP to have cash producing casinos, and places for Chinese people to gamble in "not really but still also kinda China"), but you'd think that they would have the same hard on for control that they do with Hong Kong.

Sorry if this is a stupid question.

He's a kinda lenghty article about it from a while ago:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/18/world/asia/macau-china-hong-kong-protest.html

"Macau today, like Hong Kong, is a political experiment that began in the late 1990s, when China reclaimed both territories from Western colonial powers and promised that civil liberties could coexist with its brand of authoritarian rule. Now, as Hong Kong’s political unrest continues, China’s ruling Communist Party has become increasingly explicit about how much it will tolerate under that formula — and holds Macau up as a shining example of obedience.

“The most important thing is to implement and safeguard the central government’s full control,” Li Zhanshu, the third highest-ranking official in China, who presides over policy for both territories, said in a speech about Macau in Beijing this month.

Compared to Hong Kong, Macau has more readily accepted Beijing’s ultimate authority on matters of national policy under the “one country, two systems” formula applied to both of them. And for the most part, the city’s 670,000 residents have gone along with it, either co-opted or coerced by the mainland.

...

As we used to say, good boys get candy,” said Larry So Man-yum, a retired professor of social work at Macau Polytechnic Institute who is now a gambling addiction counselor. “Macau is a good boy.”

...

In Macau, more than half of the population was born on the mainland; millions more come to gamble in the city’s casinos, making them a driver of the economy. Government buildings all fly the Chinese flag. Schools use the mainland’s textbooks. No one boos the Chinese national anthem, as protesters regularly do in Hong Kong.


...

As Hong Kong has seethed, the authorities in Macau have stepped up efforts to quash any hint of dissent, fearing that their neighbor’s upheaval could spread.

"

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

BrigadierSensible posted:

I've asked this before in this thread, but it still bothers me.

Why do we hear about the CCP crackdowns/oppression in Hong Kong, but not so much about Macau?

Does Macau just bend over and take being under the thumb of the mainland? Is there a cultural difference? Are the CCP employing a softly softly approach so as not to disturb the Casino cash?

I understand why China doesn't just annex it, (Macau has casinos, and the casinos are huge cash cows. So it is good for the CCP to have cash producing casinos, and places for Chinese people to gamble in "not really but still also kinda China"), but you'd think that they would have the same hard on for control that they do with Hong Kong.

Sorry if this is a stupid question.

It's a money laundering hub for rich people. Not exactly a priority 1 target for kleptocrats.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Also Macau has alot less people than Hong Kong. one was a major manufacturing hub in 80/90s and Macau wasn't.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Less people and less financial clout. Macau is just a small town with an interesting past and a bunch of casinos. Hong Kong was a major international hub that could have easily been a full independent city-state like Singapore.

RocknRollaAyatollah
Nov 26, 2008

Lipstick Apathy
From what I've read and heard, Macau was pretty much still under a Salazar-like regime when the Carnation Revolution kicked off. The Portuguese wanted to immediately had over Macau but China asked them to wait and they really didn't change anything there outside of I think giving them some more civil liberties. China was obviously cool with this. The people who wanted to leave did easily, they were Portuguese citizens due to a rule that gave everyone born before 1982 citizenship and those that stayed essentially get UBI due to the funds raised by the gambling/money laundering.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


I'm not 100% sure of the context but the Foreign Secretary of the Philippines is real, real mad at China right now:

https://twitter.com/teddyboylocsin/status/1389021070045290497



I can't figure out what the deleted tweet was but I would guess it's about more Chinese shenanigans in the Spratly Islands/South China Sea. Bonus is that he's getting into it in the comments with the reply guys and wumaos who are fainting about :decorum:

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Porfiriato posted:

I'm not 100% sure of the context but the Foreign Secretary of the Philippines is real, real mad at China right now:

https://twitter.com/teddyboylocsin/status/1389021070045290497



I can't figure out what the deleted tweet was but I would guess it's about more Chinese shenanigans in the Spratly Islands/South China Sea. Bonus is that he's getting into it in the comments with the reply guys and wumaos who are fainting about :decorum:

God drat lol

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Porfiriato posted:

I'm not 100% sure of the context but the Foreign Secretary of the Philippines is real, real mad at China right now:

https://twitter.com/teddyboylocsin/status/1389021070045290497



I can't figure out what the deleted tweet was but I would guess it's about more Chinese shenanigans in the Spratly Islands/South China Sea. Bonus is that he's getting into it in the comments with the reply guys and wumaos who are fainting about :decorum:

Huh, guess the Duterte fund's run dry.

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
The Portuguese architecture in Macau was invented by ancient Chinese, did you know?

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