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Horny recruiters are looking at your hackerrank! Get a longer score here
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Apr 30, 2021 17:28
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i dunno what foreplay means in your corner of the world but thats just a horny rear end recruiter thing horny rear end-recruiter? 🤔
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Apr 30, 2021 17:30
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Xik posted:They're just following the industry standard and making sure only insufferable pricks fill architect roles. make org charts public edit: i also find it insufferable because its now how things work; by the point where you're "tech lead" on XYZ you should also be able to demonstrate how you guided other teams that were adjacent to your expertise and that's equally important. if you can't talk about that, its because you weren't actually the tech lead.
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Apr 30, 2021 18:19
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i dunno what foreplay means in your corner of the world but thats just a horny rear end recruiter thing - horny, and a recruiter - horny, and an rear end-recruiter - recruits horny asses I approve of at least two of these
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Apr 30, 2021 18:22
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PokeJoe posted:The email itself is borderline horny hmm yeah i guess it's a bit horny-' *hits foreplay* oh. ooooh
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Apr 30, 2021 18:43
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FamDav posted:make org charts public Also, the job I was interviewing for and getting nerd hazed for was advertised a mid level 3-5 years experience. The one guy just kept drilling down about architecture decisions that were made by senior folk before I even joined the company.
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Apr 30, 2021 18:47
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What’s it gonna take for you to get fully inserted into $company, today?
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Apr 30, 2021 20:32
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how do i interpret the percentiles on this chart? not literally in the sense of "what do percentiles mean" but figuratively in the sense of what does a 75th percentile software engineer look like? is this so company-specific that an example would be meaningless? i've been working as a data engineer for ~5 years and my skillset seems very valuable but i'm not like "playing golf with founders" type of big deal, i'm just extremely competent and have ten years of dev experience and five in the big figgy aws/plang/data science domain. where should i be on this graph? my gross pay is currently 46th percentile, which feels loving awful but maybe my expectations are skewed by the fact that usually when percentiles are talked about i'm comfortably in the 90s because im an ostensibly cishet white male and i excel at standardized tests
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Apr 30, 2021 20:33
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The percentile refers to the distribution of salaries.
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Apr 30, 2021 20:37
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Corla Plankun posted:how do i interpret the percentiles on this chart? not literally in the sense of "what do percentiles mean" but figuratively in the sense of what does a 75th percentile software engineer look like? is this so company-specific that an example would be meaningless? is it not just salary percentile? if it's that, then a 75th percentile engineer is one who gets paid that much. I guarantee you there is at best a loose corellation to experience or skill it's best to not really worry about poo poo like salary percentiles and just do some stuff that'll get you more money if you want more money. like finding a new job, because that's basically the only way to get a raise over 6% or so quote:my gross pay is currently 46th percentile sounds like you should be getting paid more. try applying for some jobs
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Apr 30, 2021 20:41
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Corla Plankun posted:how do i interpret the percentiles on this chart? not literally in the sense of "what do percentiles mean" but figuratively in the sense of what does a 75th percentile software engineer look like? white and male, most likely. this is correct: Arcsech posted:a 75th percentile engineer is one who gets paid that much. I guarantee you there is at best a loose corellation to experience or skill
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Apr 30, 2021 20:55
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Corla Plankun posted:how do i interpret the percentiles on this chart? not literally in the sense of "what do percentiles mean" but figuratively in the sense of what does a 75th percentile software engineer look like? is this so company-specific that an example would be meaningless? how did you get this chart? i'm trying to get the same thing for pittsburgh and coming up blank. amazon/google/apple/facebook/uber have been expanding their presences here and i want to see how much it's been skewing the market here. i negotiated my current role perfectly and know i'm sitting at the top of not only my pay band of what this company offers in general, and they're pretty generous, but obviously they're not faang territory
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Apr 30, 2021 22:46
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PIZZA.BAT posted:how did you get this chart? i'm trying to get the same thing for pittsburgh and coming up blank. amazon/google/apple/facebook/uber have been expanding their presences here and i want to see how much it's been skewing the market here. i negotiated my current role perfectly and know i'm sitting at the top of not only my pay band of what this company offers in general, and they're pretty generous, but obviously they're not faang territory Doesn't look like it generates one for Pittsburgh automatically like other metros though.
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Apr 30, 2021 22:56
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PIZZA.BAT posted:how did you get this chart? i'm trying to get the same thing for pittsburgh and coming up blank. amazon/google/apple/facebook/uber have been expanding their presences here and i want to see how much it's been skewing the market here. i negotiated my current role perfectly and know i'm sitting at the top of not only my pay band of what this company offers in general, and they're pretty generous, but obviously they're not faang territory salaries -> by location you want https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Pittsburgh-Area/
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Apr 30, 2021 23:01
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I got weirdly neg'ed by a recruiter today because I told him the pay for the position he's pitching would be a decent step down for me. "Unless you're going after a FAANG company or hedge fund, it's going to be difficult to get that much more." Dude, you messaged me? Usually a recruiter just says "ok, thanks, i'll hit you up in the future maybe", first time for this approach.
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Apr 30, 2021 23:47
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Steve Jorbs posted:It's from levels.fyi: https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Pittsburgh-Area/ Achmed Jones posted:salaries -> by location yeah this is what i was looking at but i guess pittsburgh is special and doesn't get a fancy chart
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Apr 30, 2021 23:57
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JehovahsWetness posted:I got weirdly neg'ed by a recruiter today because I told him the pay for the position he's pitching would be a decent step down for me. how often do you think someone comes back with "oh dang, for real? well maybe tell me more" it's probably not never so.... e: PIZZA.BAT posted:yeah this is what i was looking at but i guess pittsburgh is special and doesn't get a fancy chart oh poo poo, weird. i just right-click->copied the link instead of clicking through, but yeah, no chart 
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May 1, 2021 00:15
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Just "finished" a coding challenge where the instructions involved designing and implementing a complex multi-level data structure, implementing 5 algorithms within that structure, creating unit tests, a driver program, and a properly configured makefile to build a dynamic library. All in C++ I was given 4 hours to complete all of this from nothing. Maybe I'm just a poo poo programmer but that seemed like a ridiculous amount to accomplish within that time frame. The only thing I got done was maybe 75% of the data structure implementation and the makefile. I did a take home assignment last weekend that took a hair over 6 hours and had maybe half the work that was involved for this.
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May 1, 2021 22:17
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Steve Jorbs posted:Just "finished" a coding challenge where the instructions involved designing and implementing a complex multi-level data structure, implementing 5 algorithms within that structure, creating unit tests, a driver program, and a properly configured makefile to build a dynamic library. All in C++ why would you even begin that challenge after reading the brief?
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May 1, 2021 23:05
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I think a challenge like that would tip me over the edge. If it came from a org directly I would probably take the rep hit and actually tell them to get hosed. If it's a recruiter I care about maintaining a relationship with then I guess say it in a slightly less aggressive way.
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May 1, 2021 23:18
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Steve Jorbs posted:Just "finished" a coding challenge where the instructions involved designing and implementing a complex multi-level data structure, implementing 5 algorithms within that structure, creating unit tests, a driver program, and a properly configured makefile to build a dynamic library. All in C++
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May 1, 2021 23:28
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Boiled Water posted:why would you even begin that challenge after reading the brief? The brief mentions that I should feel free to continue working on it after the time limit and push further changes but they wanted to see the progress at the 4 hour mark. No thanks.
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May 1, 2021 23:35
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what was the data structure? not asking because maybe you should've been ok with it, asking bc i wanna see just how hosed up they are
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May 1, 2021 23:43
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Achmed Jones posted:what was the data structure? not asking because maybe you should've been ok with it, asking bc i wanna see just how hosed up they are
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May 1, 2021 23:58
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Was the job something where you'd actually need to be able to implement something like that?
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May 2, 2021 00:02
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ultrafilter posted:Was the job something where you'd actually need to be able to implement something like that? In retrospect it wasn't hard, but given the time pressure I felt like the amount of work being asked was unrealistic for 4 hours. It took me nearly an hour to get a crappy makefile setup and to begin understanding the problem space. If I had a full day and a half or two working on this I could probably have gotten it to a point where I would be OK with putting it up for review. I'd still need to pick an appropriate unit testing solution and implement it though.
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May 2, 2021 00:10
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Steve Jorbs posted:It was relevant to the field the company works in. sounds like it’s hard as poo poo. realistically if I meet a problem I’ve never seen before I’ll need a ton of time to research it let alone implement anything
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May 2, 2021 07:52
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Boiled Water posted:sounds like it’s hard as poo poo. realistically if I meet a problem I’ve never seen before I’ll need a ton of time to research it let alone implement anything The one thing I don't get about these tests all they can do is point to a lovely environment for producing software. Like why do you only have 4 hours to do this by yourself? Why are you hiring someone with that skill which is presumably entirely useless in your actual real life development process. Unless it's not useless and your development process is a tyre fire and that's what you'll be doing day to day. I'm on board with Joel Spolseky and writing code in interviews is kinda important but these test have taken the concept too far. I always liked doing a code review in an interview instead.
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May 2, 2021 09:06
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Aramoro posted:The one thing I don't get about these tests all they can do is point to a lovely environment for producing software. Like why do you only have 4 hours to do this by yourself? Why are you hiring someone with that skill which is presumably entirely useless in your actual real life development process. Unless it's not useless and your development process is a tyre fire and that's what you'll be doing day to day. I usually consider my current job when looking at these things. On a good day I might be writing software 30% of the time, with the rest of the time spent looking at other peoples code for review or trying to find out what's going on, then meetings, time keeping and all the rest of it. I also spend a surprising amount of time hashing out what the right course of action is for proceeding with a given problem. Really my job title should be software designer first, developer second. The best take home I've encountered was ironically in a terrible software shop in the Danish state. It was set up as: Call API, treat the data you receive by these rules we give you, send back in this json format. Clear cut, simple, and had an emphasis on spending at the most 4 hours on the problem and send whatever you've made, they will be used as a point of discussion.
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May 2, 2021 09:19
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Aramoro posted:The one thing I don't get about these tests all they can do is point to a lovely environment for producing software. Like why do you only have 4 hours to do this by yourself? Why are you hiring someone with that skill which is presumably entirely useless in your actual real life development process. Unless it's not useless and your development process is a tyre fire and that's what you'll be doing day to day. For this assignment gone by, if they really wanted a library file with proper unit tests I think it would have been appropriate for them to give me something already mostly setup. Hand me a project that includes the data structure mostly fleshed out and some failing tests. Implement a couple of pieces of missing functionality to pass the existing tests and perhaps design a new test on top.
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May 2, 2021 23:11
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What about: have the candidate sign an NDA, sit them in front of a laptop that is suitably credentialed for the company's GitHub or whatever, ask the candidate to check out an old tag of your webshit product and set up a basic dev environment, then have them implement a basic bug fix ticket. Make it clear that it's something that has long since been fixed in production and that you're not trying to get free work out of them or whatever. If your webshit product is decently designed then it shouldn't take too long to launch its dependent services in docker-compose and load in some dummy data (I realize I'm potentially asking a lot here), the candidate demonstrates some actual day-to-day job skills, and they get to see the festering shitpile they'll be working on first-hand so the exercise is useful for them too. I guess I'm being rather optimistic that somebody could ferret their way around a completely unfamiliar huge codebase quickly enough to find and fix some simple problem in the space of <3 hrs but christ anything is better than another stupid algorithms exercise.
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May 3, 2021 03:48
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Sapozhnik posted:What about : have the candidate sign an NDA, sit them in front of a laptop that is suitably credentialed for the company's GitHub or whatever, ask the candidate to check out an old tag of your webshit product and set up a basic dev environment, then have them implement a basic bug fix ticket. Make it clear that it's something that has long since been fixed in production and that you're not trying to get free work out of them or whatever. i like the sentiment but how much time would you budget for an actual new hire to be able to set up a dev environment and build the product from scratch? because for anything non-trivial it won't be much less than three hours
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May 3, 2021 06:09
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raminasi posted:i like the sentiment but how much time would you budget for an actual new hire to be able to set up a dev environment and build the product from scratch? because for anything non-trivial it won't be much less than three hours for a DevOps role we had a custom laptop with an AWS account and vs code, pycharms, and a few other things. the task was to deploy a 3 tier web app in any way you wanted to aws and have it scaled. it was DevOps fizzbuzz. we’d then talk about the solution what you wanted to do and how you’d do it for real given x y z real world criteria. I quite liked that one from the number of bad DevOps hires that was made before it.
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May 3, 2021 06:59
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raminasi posted:i like the sentiment but how much time would you budget for an actual new hire to be able to set up a dev environment and build the product from scratch? because for anything non-trivial it won't be much less than three hours Interview at my last job was a pairing session to get a simple typescript aws lambda up and running from scratch. It could have been awful but the interviewer made it really clear that we only had an hour and he didn't expect us to finish, he just wanted to see how I worked. Later on I helped with a few interviews done the same way and noticed that some people are *really bad* at googling for stuff.
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May 3, 2021 11:38
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What about interviews that prohibit googling, I hate those and don't really see the point, especially if using some crappy online IDE without syntax highlighting or suggestions. I think my current job did that though. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 11:47 on May 3, 2021 |
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May 3, 2021 11:45
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Sometimes when you interview it feels like the interviewers really want you to succeed and are on your team, other times it feels like they're against you, trying to catch you out or wanting you to fail. Obvs there are times its appropriate, but a coding challenge where you can't google stuff feels like it would be a you-vs-us interview and I generally take that as a big red flag.
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May 3, 2021 13:05
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Private Speech posted:What about interviews that prohibit googling, I hate those and don't really see the point, especially if using some crappy online IDE without syntax highlighting or suggestions. Very dumb.
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May 3, 2021 13:11
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toiletbrush posted:Sometimes when you interview it feels like the interviewers really want you to succeed and are on your team, other times it feels like they're against you, trying to catch you out or wanting you to fail. I hate the adversarial interview. Because then if I accept an offer I’m suddenly supposed to make nice and sing kumbaya with these folks who had spent a day of my time trying to make me fail.
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May 3, 2021 14:51
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the only adversarial interview i had which was good was for a consulting gig where the guy said upfront that he was going to be roleplaying an rear end in a top hat client. after it was over he went back to his normal self to sort of unwind things and blow off the pressure. that's one of the only scenarios i can think of where that kind of mindset is actually appropriate to the job
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May 3, 2021 14:55
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PIZZA.BAT posted:the only adversarial interview i had which was good was for a consulting gig where the guy said upfront that he was going to be roleplaying an rear end in a top hat client. after it was over he went back to his normal self to sort of unwind things and blow off the pressure. that's one of the only scenarios i can think of where that kind of mindset is actually appropriate to the job Its on my bucket list to teach a highschool or college software development course and have this as part of the class project: Groups present progress of their projects and I'm either a clueless or irate customer, a good chance to pepper in the ridiculous poo poo I've heard over my career ("just make it [our search functionality] work like google", "can you estimate this <insanely ambiguous thing> for me (then hold them to that estimate)" etc. So that seems like a solid interview approach, I think someone did that to me without telling me at some job interview a couple of years ago but its a little less effective if you aren't explaining whats going on
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