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Grittybeard posted:Could have been sculpted by Michelangelo. Specifically the Ninja Turtle
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May 3, 2021 01:53
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May 3, 2021 03:23
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*tips fedora* M'Corkle
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May 3, 2021 04:57
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Eifert Posting posted:He had the potential to be really good in college he was just limited by poor quarterback pla- Ohhhhh. Collins was objectively the best receiver on the Michigan offense for a few years, and the only guy that was close in DPJ has been a very very serviceable WR3/4 for the Browns already. My biggest knock on him is that he frequently would over complicate routes and catches like he was trying to force the coaches to believe he could do something and end up tied up with dudes he should be mossing. Consequently, his routes actually look a lot like what happens when like Auburn or other extremely limited passing teams get WRs in the league where they think they can solve the complexity of the offense by always stepping more which is one of those rules that’s true at first in college but not in the nfl. If college is about learning when to chop your steps and cut more precisely, the NFL is about using only the minimum steps it takes you to cut maximally. He’s still learning when to break things because of that offense and it’s lack of ability to develop him, but he’s athletically more than adequate to be an outside receiver in the league. Doltos posted:I give Jerry an A+ as always because a property tycoon that stumbled into an idiot selling one of the most valuable franchises in the history of the world is somehow better at evaluating talent than whole teams of scouts I got cussed out in the office once because I made the point that bengals fans making the excuse that a lack of front office staff means you can’t be too hard on lovely drafting is basically blown out the window by the fact that Jerry and his failsons routinely make half the league look like they’ve never watched a college game and run it just like a family office as well. Yes, mike brown is intensely lovely and runs the team like a power fantasy avenging all the wrongs he felt afflicted his father, but he still should know better than this if like a moron oil guy like Jerry can watch enough tape to get things sort of right. Like, there is something to be said for not over complicating poo poo and just taking guys who physically test well who dominated in college at some level. You don’t always have to talk yourself into insane project guys or “high floor but is it enough” and just draft dudes who fall somewhere between those two—they become all pros just as often.
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May 3, 2021 05:06
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after Bateman the Ravens took a bunch of swings on big athletic freaks who may or may not be good at the game of football. feels like a very boom or bust draft.
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May 3, 2021 05:16
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What Jerry can't do to save his life is hire a head coach worth a poo poo. He started out hiring a real coach and hated it even though it promptly got him 2 rings because Johnsom got all the credit. Just looking at personnel his biggest disasters were bad FA/trade moves he made trying to be a big wheeler-dealer. Like "Sell the farm for Roy Williams (not that one, the other one) YEE-HAW' type poo poo. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 11:44 on May 3, 2021 |
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May 3, 2021 11:41
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At least the Saints won't have to repeat next grade.
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May 3, 2021 12:44
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Grey Ghost, do you have any thoughts on Josh Palmer and Tre' McKitty? As far as I understand it Josh Palmer is a solid to good receiver who beat Surtain that one time but was held back by maybe the worst quarterback in college football, my post draft optimism brain hopes he turns into the wide receiver equivalent of Alvin Kamara. As for Tre'... He sounds like he's not very good at football, how far off am I.
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May 3, 2021 13:06
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TheGreyGhost posted:I got cussed out in the office once because I made the point that bengals fans making the excuse that a lack of front office staff means you can’t be too hard on lovely drafting is basically blown out the window by the fact that Jerry and his failsons routinely make half the league look like they’ve never watched a college game and run it just like a family office as well. Yes, mike brown is intensely lovely and runs the team like a power fantasy avenging all the wrongs he felt afflicted his father, but he still should know better than this if like a moron oil guy like Jerry can watch enough tape to get things sort of right. Like, there is something to be said for not over complicating poo poo and just taking guys who physically test well who dominated in college at some level. You don’t always have to talk yourself into insane project guys or “high floor but is it enough” and just draft dudes who fall somewhere between those two—they become all pros just as often. This is my take as well more or less. I'm sure the small staff doesn't help them, but the bigger problem is that they have all these ideas on what good teams do despite only ever really being a good team for a few years. For example, they don't value O linemen appropriately in FA and love unfinished projects in the draft at O-Line. They end up always feeling like they've got someone on the roster or someone in the draft who's ready when they usually aren't. I wish one of their picks had been a safer, more finished product.
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May 3, 2021 13:27
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Chucktesla posted:Grey Ghost, do you have any thoughts on Josh Palmer and Tre' McKitty? As far as I understand it Josh Palmer is a solid to good receiver who beat Surtain that one time but was held back by maybe the worst quarterback in college football, my post draft optimism brain hopes he turns into the wide receiver equivalent of Alvin Kamara. As for Tre'... He sounds like he's not very good at football, how far off am I. You didn’t ask me but as a UT fan, Palmer is a good to very good receiver who yes, played in a terrible offense with an even worse QB. Has a bunch of potential, good route running and good hands. I don’t see him ever being a #1 guy but he’ll be a solid 2-3 some day.
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May 3, 2021 13:45
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I'm really annoyed at how much I like Pittsburgh's undrafted free agents. Shakur Brown and Rico Bussey Jr both should have been drafted. Watson also has potential.
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May 3, 2021 14:59
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*Complaining about my team's draft grade alert* So many draft grades are infuriating because they just look at the players the teams acquired rather than examining who was available when the team selected and grading off what options they had and what direction they went. Of course that would take a lot of time to do so nobody does it. Oh Atlanta got Pitts? WOW what a great selection A+ lord help you if you traded your first round pick, hmmm I'm just not impressed with what the Chiefs acquired in the draft C- when in reality Veach did an incredible job getting steals.
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May 3, 2021 15:07
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TheGreyGhost posted:I got cussed out in the office once because I made the point that bengals fans making the excuse that a lack of front office staff means you can’t be too hard on lovely drafting is basically blown out the window by the fact that Jerry and his failsons routinely make half the league look like they’ve never watched a college game and run it just like a family office as well. Yes, mike brown is intensely lovely and runs the team like a power fantasy avenging all the wrongs he felt afflicted his father, but he still should know better than this if like a moron oil guy like Jerry can watch enough tape to get things sort of right. Like, there is something to be said for not over complicating poo poo and just taking guys who physically test well who dominated in college at some level. You don’t always have to talk yourself into insane project guys or “high floor but is it enough” and just draft dudes who fall somewhere between those two—they become all pros just as often. Yeah exactly plus Jerry subscribes to ignore red flags so he ends up grabbing every single top tier athlete that other stodgy owners don't want besmirching the brand. Kelvin Joseph, Josh Ball, Micah Parsons, love it.
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May 3, 2021 15:16
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kiimo posted:*Complaining about my team's draft grade alert* That's how I feel, too. "You didn't draft who I mocked? B," although it does remain to be seen if Surtain over Fields was the right choice... My only hope is that Fields is a true Bears QB at heart.
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May 3, 2021 15:23
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kiimo posted:*Complaining about my team's draft grade alert* I also dont care for a lot of draft grades because people will choose a player and the response will be "This is a reach why not trade back?" When there is a good chance either no one wanted to trade up, or they were offering lmao levels of compensation. If your stuck in that spot you gotta take the first person on your board.
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May 3, 2021 15:23
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I'm real glad the cowboys saved us from Josh Ball. I feel very confident the Bengals would have taken him if he had been available. Boys took him one pick before we got Smith.
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May 3, 2021 15:24
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Paint Crop Pro posted:I also dont care for a lot of draft grades because people will choose a player and the response will be "This is a reach why not trade back?" When there is a good chance either no one wanted to trade up, or they were offering lmao levels of compensation. Man for sure. I love the draft so for like 30 years I've listened to fans say the trade down argument like you flip a switch. It's as dumb as the "player A went to school B so result C based on other players from said school"
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May 3, 2021 15:31
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AndrewP posted:after Bateman the Ravens took a bunch of swings on big athletic freaks who may or may not be good at the game of football. feels like a very boom or bust draft. I had a feeling that was going to be the nature of a draft where a lot of players aren't going to have much 2020 film. Wallace also fits the Bateman model of 'slick route runner, mostly average measurables', though.
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May 3, 2021 15:34
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I'm still pretty incredulous that the Bengals got two fours for moving down eight spots in the second round.
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May 3, 2021 15:34
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I really wish Jerry had gotten his way and drafted Manziel.
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May 3, 2021 16:51
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kiimo posted:*Complaining about my team's draft grade alert* You don't have to read draft grades. They're useless. Maybe read them for mockery purposes? Like... https://seattle.sbnation.com/2012/4/29/2985799/nfl-draft-grades-2012-seahawks
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May 3, 2021 16:58
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Rams draft rating is "STAFFORD NEEDS WEAPONS"
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May 3, 2021 17:05
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People reactions to other people's reactions to mock drafts is the new people's reaction to mock drafts
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May 3, 2021 17:05
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Borsche69 posted:Wallace also fits the Bateman model of 'slick route runner, mostly average measurables', though. Bateman's measurables are good! He has very long arms, too. Watching tape of them both and he definitely looks like a class above Wallace.
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May 3, 2021 17:16
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Eifert Posting posted:I'm really annoyed at how much I like Pittsburgh's undrafted free agents. Shakur Brown and Rico Bussey Jr both should have been drafted. Watson also has potential. Somehow ended up with a potential starter at slot corner in a UDFA. Works for me
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May 3, 2021 17:30
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shirts and skins posted:You don't have to read draft grades. They're useless. I like reading draft grades, like I like reading mock drafts. I think you're under the impression that i don't like being angry and offended
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May 3, 2021 17:31
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Well, if we're going to post stupid grades and mocks, let's all laugh at a really really bad early mock Some notes: - There are absolutely not this many QBs I take in the 1st next year. Rattler is proooobably worthy of being a #1, but he's still got a to rein in some of his gunslinger tendencies--best velocity in the class. Howell is very talented and accurate but has some odd technical behaviors with his shoulder and feet, and the UNC offense is insanely limited in route trees and concepts which is going to skeeve some GMs immediately. Slovis plays a very similar system to Rattler but doesn't have quite the physical gifts--more of a Goff/Mayfield than a Kyler. If Desmond Ridder goes in round 1, I'm assuming Coronavirus has killed every single QB in division 1, because that dude is not accurate and has a baby arm. Malik Willis is a dude who has never actually put it together, but does have some crazy tools/air under his ball. If Howell is playing in a limited offense, Willis is playing in some Hugh Freeze high school bullshit and is going to look like a Jordan Love type prospect in the absolute best case scenario. It's a 2-3 QB class at the high end, with everyone else having some way bigger problems. - There are absolutely a bunch of good WRs next year. Pickens/Olave/Wilson/Metchie/Ross are going to be a really really solid set of guys just off of who is guaranteed to be available next year. Putting Ross that high coming off of spine surgery with a new QB is amazingly dumb when Pickens is already a better player. Olave and Metchie probably are the next two guys off the board and are purer speed guys who give up some size relative to Pickens or Ross. Wilson's going to be loved for starting all over the place in college. I just can't fathom Ross above any of the other 4 right now. - Pretty much every O-lineman listed is a project. Maybe Neal is the smallest project (lol), but there's no one on this list like a Sewell or Slater where people are marking their name in red for a year from now off of the full tape right now. - This edge class also makes no sense. Thibodeaux is a no-poo poo top 5 potential guy, but pretty much every other edge looks like a speed rusher right now outside of like, maybe Karlaftis. Every other edge listed is a speed specialist, which seems cool, until you remember that guys like Harrison weren't even the best edge on their team (Tyreke Smith) and Bonitto benefits from being in a league where you can be a 235 pound pass rusher who will immediately get bodied in the NFL. If I'm guessing, Engbare probably is the most likely dude to rise, but this really reads like they're just trying to pick guys from teams that will probably be good. - Mocking Leal to replace Danny Shelton is amazing. That's like 100 pound difference between the two, and Leal is emphatically not a nose. Next year's DT class probably has a lot of rush tackles and not nearly as many noses, so you're just...not likely to try to replace a nose early in a draft with no noses. - Breece Hall will run about a 4.6 and is absolutely not a first round value. - Not a single pure LB in the draft--other than an off-ball Bama tweener who looked good but was used heavily as a Fire zone player. - Stingley is the best CB in years, but Elam is very very good too. Gardner is absolutely not CB3. Just an absolute mess of a mock even by year early standards.
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May 3, 2021 19:45
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I made a UDFA thread so if anyone wants to talk about the post-draft draft, that's a place to do it! Every team save the Pats has reported at least one signing and some have a dozen.
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May 3, 2021 20:28
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Well I like the Chiefs pick and they're 32 so it's fine with me
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May 3, 2021 20:30
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TheGreyGhost posted:Well, if we're going to post stupid grades and mocks, let's all laugh at a really really bad early mock Dolphins are going to the AFC Championship!!!!!!!!!!! 49ers pick edit: the Lions picking at 30 lol
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May 3, 2021 20:30
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signing udfas shows weakness. if you get every pick right, you don't need udfas.
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May 3, 2021 20:31
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I wonder what the absolute ceiling is for Stingley if he has a monster year? Surely they'll talk up some quarterback into the number one pick; has a corner ever gone number one or number two before?
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May 3, 2021 20:35
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Ehud posted:Dolphins are going to the AFC Championship!!!!!!!!!!! Lions have the rams pick
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May 3, 2021 20:50
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really queer Christmas posted:Lions have the rams pick  I'm having a day
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May 3, 2021 20:53
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Eifert Posting posted:I wonder what the absolute ceiling is for Stingley if he has a monster year? Surely they'll talk up some quarterback into the number one pick; has a corner ever gone number one or number two before? Draft sucks next year at the moment so Stingley/Thibodeaux might be the #1 if Rattler sucks. He's a complete put together CB but I mean he's been burnt a lot in marquee match ups. DeVonta Smith basically ate that entire secondary though.
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May 3, 2021 21:10
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Doltos posted:Draft sucks next year at the moment so Stingley/Thibodeaux might be the #1 if Rattler sucks. He's a complete put together CB but I mean he's been burnt a lot in marquee match ups. DeVonta Smith basically ate that entire secondary though. You're not very optimistic about Sam Howell?
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May 3, 2021 21:11
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You can’t really grade anyone on LSUs defense last year because Pelini hosed it up so badly that nobody seemed to know what they were actually supposed to be doing.
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May 3, 2021 21:14
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I can't wait for next year's draft just to see peoples reactions to a guy named Spencer Rattler who looks the way Spencer Rattler looks
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May 3, 2021 21:34
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I remember watching the draft coverage being super confused because the commentators were talking about no one wanting to trade future picks because this next draft class is going to be really good. I was confused because basically everyone in this thread has been saying over and over again that next year's class is going to be really poor. Then I remembered that draft commentators are idiots and also goons are idiots (including myself).
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May 3, 2021 21:37
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