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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

apropos to nothing posted:

when someone spells it amerika with a k like that then you known that their politics are really good and that their spelling is phenomenal too

well, george jackson was pretty cool

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Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://twitter.com/socialistfai/status/1388865441855156225

a woman of the left. in and against the state. was cm for @jabaribrisport
. now deputy cos for @phara4assembly
. steering @nycdsa
. views my own.
Brooklynsocialists.nyc

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

mila kunis posted:

https://twitter.com/socialistfai/status/1388865441855156225

a woman of the left. in and against the state. was cm for @jabaribrisport
. now deputy cos for @phara4assembly
. steering @nycdsa
. views my own.
Brooklynsocialists.nyc

Lol they saw the "Stalin actually bad" tweet that went viral by a DSA person yesterday.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Lol they saw the "Stalin actually bad" tweet that went viral by a DSA person yesterday.

actually i think the stalin tweet postdated the lenin tweet. funnily enough bhaskar sunkara himself responded to fainan there to tell her that lenin was good actually, which is pretty ironic given his magazine's recent boosting of kautsky of all people

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
looking forward to see which socialists the democratic socialists absolutely DESTROY next. is there a gusano caucus

Doctor Nick
Dec 27, 2003

Black Hammer is probably an op:

https://medium.com/@risguey/red-flag-a7f4d8daeeb4
http://rashidmod.com/?p=2797

quote:

On May 3, 2020, and in reaction to principled criticisms that I and others made against an erroneous political line publicized by Gazi Kodzo[1], Gazi and his organization Black Hammer (BH) met to discuss and devise a plan code-named Operation Storm of White Tears (OSWT). OSWT is a vile scheme that aims to split revolutionary organizations, play their leaders and members against each other, absorb disaffected members of those organizations into BH, “manufacture” negative false narratives against those organizations and social media groups and positive ones in favor of BH and it’s members, generate and spread dirt against these “enemy” groups, and other devious proposals, all calculated to manufacture and sell a favorable image of BH to the masses, create a cult of personality around Gazi, and “destroy” BH’s perceived enemies, who again are identified as revolutionary and social media groups.

As one comrade stated to me upon reading OSWT, “If Gazi ain’t on the FBI’s payroll, he’s missing out on an opportunity.”

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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Lol they saw the "Stalin actually bad" tweet that went viral by a DSA person yesterday.

https://twitter.com/HondaWang/status/1389254964132843526

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Ferrinus posted:

actually i think the stalin tweet postdated the lenin tweet. funnily enough bhaskar sunkara himself responded to fainan there to tell her that lenin was good actually, which is pretty ironic given his magazine's recent boosting of kautsky of all people

Bhaskar Sunkara as a person seems to be somewhat more radical than his shithole publication

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

gradenko_2000 posted:

Bhaskar Sunkara as a person seems to be somewhat more radical than his shithole publication

THS
Sep 15, 2017

the important thing is for marxists is to never win power and to always lose. that way you can’t be criticized

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

THS posted:

the important thing is for marxists is to never win power and to always lose. that way you can’t be criticized

Bernie Panders

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lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

THS posted:

the important thing is for marxists is to never win power and to always lose. that way you can’t be criticized

Indeed, having appeared as early as the February Revolution, the messianic vision of a new society that had yet to be built came to be defended, in different and competing ways, by quite a wide range of people. This was a dialectic that was most clearly visible during the introduction of the NEP. The outrage was not limited to important sectors of the Bolshevik party, and the indignation was not always motivated by concern about faithfulness to Marxist orthodoxy. The Christian Pierre Pascal lamented the arrival of a new “aristocracy” and the formation of a “counterrevolutionary” process, and the great writer Joseph Roth was upset with the “Americanization” occurring in Soviet Russia, losing not only the road to socialism but also its very soul, thus falling into “spiritual emptiness”. The cries of resentment for the defrauded and betrayed messianic hopes corresponded with the shouts of triumph from the bourgeois camp due to the fact that, by introducing the NEP, Lenin too—they argued—was forced to turn his back on Marx and socialism. Here the category of betrayal reappears, but this time with a positive value judgment.

Strangely, the front pushing the Bolsheviks towards a new revolution was quite large and heterogeneous. The horrors of war had led Pascal to prophesize with apocalyptic tones, in August 1917, “a universal social revolution” of an unprecedented radicality. On the opposite front, adversaries and enemies of the October Revolution were ready to celebrate their failure every time Russia attempted to move from the phase of messianic hope to the less fervent but more realistic phase of building a new society. All this could not help but reinforce a trend already quite present in the Bolshevik Party, and thus also in the spiritual climate brought about by the war, towards further radicalizing the utopian themes of Marx’s thought. In this sense, the ideology that contributed to the prolongation of the Second Time of Troubles was itself rooted in the concrete objective situation.

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ferrinus posted:

Indeed, having appeared as early as the February Revolution, the messianic vision of a new society that had yet to be built came to be defended, in different and competing ways, by quite a wide range of people. This was a dialectic that was most clearly visible during the introduction of the NEP. The outrage was not limited to important sectors of the Bolshevik party, and the indignation was not always motivated by concern about faithfulness to Marxist orthodoxy. The Christian Pierre Pascal lamented the arrival of a new “aristocracy” and the formation of a “counterrevolutionary” process, and the great writer Joseph Roth was upset with the “Americanization” occurring in Soviet Russia, losing not only the road to socialism but also its very soul, thus falling into “spiritual emptiness”. The cries of resentment for the defrauded and betrayed messianic hopes corresponded with the shouts of triumph from the bourgeois camp due to the fact that, by introducing the NEP, Lenin too—they argued—was forced to turn his back on Marx and socialism. Here the category of betrayal reappears, but this time with a positive value judgment.

Strangely, the front pushing the Bolsheviks towards a new revolution was quite large and heterogeneous. The horrors of war had led Pascal to prophesize with apocalyptic tones, in August 1917, “a universal social revolution” of an unprecedented radicality. On the opposite front, adversaries and enemies of the October Revolution were ready to celebrate their failure every time Russia attempted to move from the phase of messianic hope to the less fervent but more realistic phase of building a new society. All this could not help but reinforce a trend already quite present in the Bolshevik Party, and thus also in the spiritual climate brought about by the war, towards further radicalizing the utopian themes of Marx’s thought. In this sense, the ideology that contributed to the prolongation of the Second Time of Troubles was itself rooted in the concrete objective situation.

https://youtu.be/V9O94UTDAJQ

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

what, you don't like losurdo

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

THS posted:

can someone summarize this for me im at work and cant listen to audio, and theres no way im watching this in my free time

Black women has a bunch of white people (who can't make eye contact with the camera) tell her they owe her cult money for reperations.

At one point she gets this white women to say the phrase "fake white jews"

Excellent trolling on display

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

apropos to nothing posted:

when someone spells it amerika with a k like that then you known that their politics are really good and that their spelling is phenomenal too

thats right

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

united $nakkke$ of amerikkka

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

Leon Trotskkky :twisted:

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/thebelovedone__/status/1387112833557667842

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

Algund Eenboom posted:

Leon Trotskkky :twisted:

:chanpop:

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014

gradenko_2000 posted:

Bhaskar Sunkara as a person seems to be somewhat more radical than his shithole publication

Sunkara comes out of the tradition of guys like Milliband, Pulantzas, Panitch etc,. who believe that the Bolsheviks and Lenin were the best option in Russia at the time but that it's not a model that should be replicated outside that context.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
https://mobile.twitter.com/socialistfai/status/1389030128580243457

the more I hear and see people talk about democracy the less real it seems. like China or the USSR being nondemocratic but the US or New Zealand or whoever qualifying as democratic seems asinine. it’s just a fake thing.

what accomplishments has democracy produced that haven’t been or can’t be replicated by nondemocratic states? what evils have nondemocratic states produced that are unique to them? why such quibbling over a form of representative government that doesn’t guarantee anyone anything or a positive outcome? just absurd

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

e: Wrong thread

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Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

apropos to nothing posted:

when someone spells it amerika with a k like that then you known that their politics are really good and that their spelling is phenomenal too

"american" - fairly fail. normie usage, fits with academic and conventional styles of writing
"amerikan" - the centrist of maoist mispellings
"amerikkkan" - extremely win. this guy knows what is true

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

Algund Eenboom posted:

Leon Trotskkky :twisted:

Lyin' t-ROT-$kkky

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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
sorry I don’t fw anyone who writes “America” instead of “Turtle Island”

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

gradenko_2000 posted:

Bhaskar Sunkara as a person seems to be somewhat more radical than his shithole publication

his book was interesting. it at least seriously grappled with the revolution/reformism question and tried to give the bernie sanders oriented dem socs some kind of historical and theoretical basis for their strategy. not sure what i'd think of it now, post-bernie campaign though. it seemed too much like tepid 20th century soc dem meliorism to be workable prior to bernie's defeat, so maybe reading it now would just suck and highlight those problems in the theory

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

indigi posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/socialistfai/status/1389030128580243457

the more I hear and see people talk about democracy the less real it seems. like China or the USSR being nondemocratic but the US or New Zealand or whoever qualifying as democratic seems asinine. it’s just a fake thing.

what accomplishments has democracy produced that haven’t been or can’t be replicated by nondemocratic states? what evils have nondemocratic states produced that are unique to them? why such quibbling over a form of representative government that doesn’t guarantee anyone anything or a positive outcome? just absurd

what you're saying is really exactly why a thorough study of lenin is critical, because he makes very clear (although really just refines from marx rather than discovers) that every class society is a class dictatorship, unavoidably and incontrovertibly. oh you live in a democracy? did you vote for bill gate's social engineering policies in africa, then?

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

indigi posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/socialistfai/status/1389030128580243457

the more I hear and see people talk about democracy the less real it seems. like China or the USSR being nondemocratic but the US or New Zealand or whoever qualifying as democratic seems asinine. it’s just a fake thing.

what accomplishments has democracy produced that haven’t been or can’t be replicated by nondemocratic states? what evils have nondemocratic states produced that are unique to them? why such quibbling over a form of representative government that doesn’t guarantee anyone anything or a positive outcome? just absurd

Where is there even a democratic state tbh. The early soviet union is as close as it gets and the direct-ish democracy thing didn't stick around long. This kind of dumbass thinking comes about when you haven't learned to try and see past your bias, or even that you are biased by growing up in a liberal republic like all of us did

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Larry Parrish posted:

Where is there even a democratic state tbh. The early soviet union is as close as it gets and the direct-ish democracy thing didn't stick around long. This kind of dumbass thinking comes about when you haven't learned to try and see past your bias, or even that you are biased by growing up in a liberal republic like all of us did

maybe one could argue Cuba? I don’t know enough about it to make that argument but I don’t think I could dismiss it out of hand

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

You see democracy defined in the West a lot as direct elections for the chief executive and national legislature, but even the US doesn't qualify by that standard.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

THS posted:

the important thing is for marxists is to never win power and to always lose. that way you can’t be criticized

stay close to your desk and never go to strike day
and you too can be leader of the DSA

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

https://twitter.com/blkhmmrtimes/status/1390110537867042819?s=21

the predictable happened

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
hell of a post

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?
where do they go from here?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
struggalo circus

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

yr new gurlfrand! posted:

where do they go from here?
I thought it would be impossible to top "Mao Level Plus" thetan clearing but they've surprised me

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

yr new gurlfrand! posted:

where do they go from here?

Destiny debate to launch Gazi's twitch career

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