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Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

I must say, the CPC peacefully overthrowing the bourgeois nationalist clique in charge of Hong Kong really was a magnificent revolution.

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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020


US embassy weibo


"As Spring blossoms, are you the same as the puppy, eager to go out and play? The US Student Visa processing has partially restored. What are you waiting!"

LOLOL

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1389931648322527241

quote:

So, what about today? Who's "Nury Turkel"?

Commissioner for the US's Commision on International Religious Freedom, appointed by Nancy Pelosi and trained in Washington DC.

He usually just gets meekly introduced as a "Human Rights Activist," though.




I always remember Nury Turkel because he went on to @theintercept for a nasty little softball interview with Mehdi Hasan, where none of his shady associations where revelead but they did gush about his totally-not-suspicious bipartisan DC consensus!

https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1250843773107666948

What about Millward?

Millward is a complete hack, and he just repeats what he's told by the press but cited as an independent expert.

You may remember him for the embarrassing BBC non-story about the "Uyghur model" a while back.

https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1291363919752310784

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010




send in the tanks sir

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

stephenthinkpad posted:



US embassy weibo


"As Spring blossoms, are you the same as the puppy, eager to go out and play? The US Student Visa processing has partially restored. What are you waiting!"

LOLOL

sincerely hoping this is a sign that theyre going to start doing this the other way around too

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

stephenthinkpad posted:



US embassy weibo


"As Spring blossoms, are you the same as the puppy, eager to go out and play? The US Student Visa processing has partially restored. What are you waiting!"

LOLOL

it's pretty obviously meant to be cute, maybe americans exaltation of dogs above all other life forms makes me blind to how it's racist

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
It's not really racist (not every thing is about racism), its about US embassy insult the most pro-US group of Chinese which make it funny. And the person who wrote it (Chinese-American?) who was oblivious to the subtlety and heavy symbolism used in official language which make it meta funny.

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


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chinese military T.V. had a show the other day about parachuting military dogs that is pretty fun. i like the banner image:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmjJU9npdSo

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

well yah the connotation is that China is a cage and you should disobey and "play" in america. but somehow it doesn't seem like that's what the people were mad about, it says "US embassy compares chinese to dogs" not "compares china to a cage"

anyway I am a dog that got left out at night and I want to go back into the cage. hope they can open China safely and swiftly to my american running dog rear end

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Btw speaking of visas, the US has suspended all visas functions for Russians at the US embassy. Russians are not technically disallowed from entering the US but would have to fly to a third-party country (I guess Belarus still counts) to get even a tourist visa.

It is suppose to help turn the Russian public against Putin, but I wonder if it wouldn't just backfire especially since it is going to mean even less Russians going to the US.

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Ardennes posted:

Btw speaking of visas, the US has suspended all visas functions for Russians at the US embassy. Russians are not technically disallowed from entering the US but would have to fly to a third-party country (I guess Belarus still counts) to get even a tourist visa.

It is suppose to help turn the Russian public against Putin, but I wonder if it wouldn't just backfire especially since it is going to mean even less Russians going to the US.

sanctions are always framed as getting the public to turn against their leadership but in practice are just collective punishment as means with no ends

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

Ardennes posted:

Btw speaking of visas, the US has suspended all visas functions for Russians at the US embassy. Russians are not technically disallowed from entering the US but would have to fly to a third-party country (I guess Belarus still counts) to get even a tourist visa.

It is suppose to help turn the Russian public against Putin, but I wonder if it wouldn't just backfire especially since it is going to mean even less Russians going to the US.

Hilarious because Russians powned the US so loving hard it's beyond belief

Yeah entry, let me check your IP address here Ivan

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Antonymous posted:

well yah the connotation is that China is a cage and you should disobey and "play" in america. but somehow it doesn't seem like that's what the people were mad about, it says "US embassy compares chinese to dogs" not "compares china to a cage"

anyway I am a dog that got left out at night and I want to go back into the cage. hope they can open China safely and swiftly to my american running dog rear end

So China is the dog, but not the wolf, and also not the sheep. Got it.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Antonymous posted:

sanctions are always framed as getting the public to turn against their leadership but in practice are just collective punishment as means with no ends

If anything, more often that not, it boosts the hold a leader has over a country. Also, in this case, you would think the US would try to appeal to the Russian population in order to weaken his position, but nope.

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1390009280569483267?s=20

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


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OUT OF CONTROL CHINESE SPACE ROCKET

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Pentagon Has No Plans to Shoot Down Freefalling Chinese Rocket
Secretary Austin is monitoring the large rocket’s decaying orbit, but spokesman says it’s “too early” to develop options to intercept.

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2021/05/pentagon-has-no-plan-shoot-down-chinese-rocket-if-it-threatens-us/173844/

Intercept what, you loons?

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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is it even unplanned for the rocket to fall back to earth? don't lots of rockets do that?

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

gradenko_2000 posted:

is it even unplanned for the rocket to fall back to earth? don't lots of rockets do that?

Generally speaking, most upper stages nowadays do a de-orbit burn if they can. Or pacify at an orbit that does not rapidly decay. Or/and burn up completely on re-entry.
This one is not an upper stage, it's a lot more massive and has no way to do such a thing anyway. Last year, another rocket stage of this model disintegrated over some villages in Côte d'Ivoire when re-entering, not ideal.

So, you have idiots calling out China for it, and covering this in news like a communist suicide bomber-meteorite is about to hit Earth.

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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Dante80 posted:

Generally speaking, most upper stages nowadays do a de-orbit burn if they can. Or pacify at an orbit that does not rapidly decay. Or/and burn up completely on re-entry.
This one is not an upper stage, it's a lot more massive and has no way to do such a thing anyway. Last year, another rocket stage of this model disintegrated over some villages in Côte d'Ivoire when re-entering, not ideal.

So, you have idiots calling out China for it, and covering this in news like a communist suicide bomber-meteorite is about to hit Earth.

I mean it does seem kind of hosed up to have a rocket that regularly does this?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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yeah to be clear I'm trying to cut through the noise of "CHINA IS DEEP STRIKING THE US VIA ROCKET DEBRIS" and "this is all propaganda, the rocket falling to earth is normal"

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
The Chinese space lab has 3 major components right? So just drop 2 more times.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Well, it goes like this. 20+ ton rocket stages tend to not disintegrate properly on re-entry. So, you want to control where they are going to re-enter. You do that by timing the de-orbit of the rocket stage. And for that, you need endurance for the avionics package (batteries, a way to keep them heated), an RCS system to orient the stage post payload separation and - depending on the orbit you are in - the ability of your stage engines to re-ignite and de-orbit the stage, and some fuel remaining to do that.

Most upper rocket stages tend to have one or more of the above. This specific rocket though is not an upper stage. It is literally the core-sustainer stage used to bring the 22t payload up to a LEO orbit. It has no RCS, and no ability to re-ignite its engines.



So, after payload separation, it is done. And this is not ideal, since you cannot control when and where it will re-enter the atmosphere.

A way to fix that would be to put more fuel on the payload so that you can leave it in a lower orbit and have it circularize by itself. This was evidently not done here. And given the modules that will have to go up still, we may get more rogue stages coming down to Earth in the future. Somewhat regrettable. This is not a regular thingy though...this specific variant will launch three times or so more...and then get retired. Which explains CALT never provisioning for de-orbit in the first place.

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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
so it's kind of the equivalent of throwing a match out of your car window on the highway

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

indigi posted:

so it's kind of the equivalent of throwing a match out of your car window on the highway

Kinda. That thing is 5 meters across, ten stories high and weighs the same as an empty garbage truck. It is made from lightweight materials though, and most - if not all - of it is going to be destroyed up high in the atmosphere during re-entry. A dense metal part or two might survive, and will almost certainly fall in uninhabited areas, the Earth is 71% water covered after all.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

i hope it falls and hits hillary clinton

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

THS posted:

i hope it falls and hits hillary clinton

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 46 minutes!

THS posted:

i hope it falls and hits hillary clinton

inshallah

Gorman Thomas
Jul 24, 2007
Had anyone told the qanon ppl about the runaway Chinese rocket lmao

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1390169159569453056

will never stop being funny how there are more chinese people think china is a democracy than american people who think america is a democracy

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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Some Guy TT posted:

will never stop being funny how there are more chinese people think china is a democracy than american people who think america is a democracy

Something I always remember is that when Lee Kuan Yew passed a measure in 1983 to attempt to control birth rates among mothers to express a preference for highly-educated women to give birth, while cutting off subsidies for poorer families, the law was so unpopular that the vote share of People's Action Party in 1984 took a dive from 75% to 63%, and this was considered to be such a crisis that the law was repealed the following year.

In some ways, that's a workable example of a functional democracy: people have the right to suffrage, and the government is responsive to the people's feedback.

Despite this, Lee Kuan Yew is often depicted as a "strongman dictator", just perhaps a successful and not especially cruel or despotic one, and Singapore isn't usually upheld as an example of a democracy - indeed, it's usually pooh-poohed as being a one-party-state, and yet not only do people get to vote, even 63% share of the vote is still a stronger mandate than what the US has ever managed to scrounge up

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Some Guy TT posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1390169159569453056

will never stop being funny how there are more chinese people think china is a democracy than american people who think america is a democracy

last year i was asked to fill out an anonymous survey on how i rate local government performance here in china. they asked a variety of questions like how i felt about the quality of goods sold in local markets, what i thought about local parks and schools, the pandemic response, etc. not only was i asked to fill it out, but the security guards in my building bugged me about it and kept reminding me for 2 days until i submitted my responses.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


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this video actually goes into this question. i've mentioned this channel before and they do "ted talk" stuff but the thing about feedback loops is interesting. you might have to turn on auto-translate and select english.

i timestamped a funny part where they're talking about western referendums and how they can have results that "we don't like" in china ... or results that we love here in china (because it causes some self-inflicted disaster like brexit) and then the audience of young people laugh.

there was a ron paul ad 10 years ago where there's a future china that rules the world and there's a ted talk thing, and the speaker says "and now they work for us" and everyone laughs and it's supposed to be menacing. this is not the same thing, but it's just hilarious. and this is just like how we loving talk here on cspam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Vd05_eox4&t=1617s

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Some Guy TT posted:

will never stop being funny how there are more chinese people think china is a democracy than american people who think america is a democracy

well, they're right that china is closer to a real democracy than the us is

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Vietnam, too. They don't have Cuba on there, but idk somehow I trust an electoral system where paper ballots are counted by children in public more than I trust a system where Diebold decides Ohio went to Bush, don't ask for receipts.

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Some Guy TT posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1390169159569453056

will never stop being funny how there are more chinese people think china is a democracy than american people who think america is a democracy

if you go to china the word democracy is everywhere, you get off the highway in Beijing and there's a big rear end billboard that just says ~Democracy~ cause it's one of the principles of the government from 2012



I think if people talk about what the american system vs the chinese system is called they will say capitalism vs socialism not democracy vs one party rule or something

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
remember when Mike Bloomberg exhibited a better understanding of China than any other primary candidate

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

indigi posted:

remember when Mike Bloomberg exhibited a better understanding of China than any other primary candidate

no, what did he say

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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fart simpson posted:

no, what did he say

https://twitter.com/AlexandreKrausz/status/1177974616666640385

mind the account, but the video is great

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Fortaleza
Feb 21, 2008

fart simpson posted:

no, what did he say

That Xi isn’t a dictator and answers to the people in some form

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