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Atrocious Joe posted:You see democracy defined in the West a lot as direct elections for the chief executive and national legislature, but even the US doesn't qualify by that standard. Yeah, thats the irony, the US electoral system is illiberal when you get down to it.
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that julius nyerere quote about amerika being a one-party state with two parties
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Atrocious Joe posted:You see democracy defined in the West a lot as direct elections for the chief executive and national legislature, but even the US doesn't qualify by that standard. where i live democracy is defined as "political arrangement with rule of the majority, that protects personal and political rights of all its citizens" this is technically true, because people we don't like simply aren't citizens 
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edit: gently caress, i got so excited to post this i forgot to check if it was already posted
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e-dt posted:edit: gently caress, i got so excited to post this i forgot to check if it was already posted well it's not like i'm gonna go back and figure out what you were gonna post so i guess i'll just have to move on with my life never knowing what i missed out on
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I done started a cybernetics thread, sharing the link since I know some posters ITT were interested. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, thats the irony, the US electoral system is illiberal when you get down to it. Even if we abolished the electoral college and first pass the post voting it wouldn't matter at this point. Because capitalists have effectively privatized almost all of the governments powers and functions.
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Trash Ops posted:https://twitter.com/blkhmmrtimes/status/1390110537867042819?s=21 https://twitter.com/afrikanstruggle/status/1390140271711559693 In conclusion, Black Hammer is a world of contrasts.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:https://twitter.com/afrikanstruggle/status/1390140271711559693 he has drawn nerd glasses on the poster, imo
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turd in my singlet posted:I done started a cybernetics thread, sharing the link since I know some posters ITT were interested. Gonna bookmark that thread to read this evening 
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Fairly sure black hammer is running on the principle of all publicity is good publicity and being intentionally provocative
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not to defend Black Hammer at all, but the painting's probably Frederick Douglass, who rocked the same hairstyle/beard but also favored the black bowtie you can kind of make out. So they can be dunked on instead for it being him given how much time later in life he put into criticizing separatist towns on the frontier.
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Mandoric posted:not to defend Black Hammer at all, but the painting's probably Frederick Douglass, who rocked the same hairstyle/beard but also favored the black bowtie you can kind of make out.  No it's this
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You never saw Marx and Frederick Douglass at the same time. Makes you think.
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It's wild to think they were contemporaries
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Marx is handsome.
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looks dope in pics. wouldn't want to smell him
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Isn't their stated mission to just cause dumb controversies and pull back to garner sympathy?
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Nonsense posted:Marx is handsome. So is Frederick Douglass imo Both very 'daddy'
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apropos to nothing posted:the other white group is called the uhuru solidarity movement. the guy in charge of both is called chairman omali yeshitela and they all call him the chairman and his claim to fame was being arrested in the 60s for defacing a mural in the st pete Florida town hall building there's a little chapter of them here that I ran into tabling at the park near my apartment last year, they were nice and I bought a funny shirt from 'em. only when I went home and read the literature they gave me did it register that they were all white people in their teens or early 20s lol. I wish those folks well doing whatever it is they do I guess
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Mr. Lobe posted:So is Frederick Douglass imo more and more people are saying this
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A couple years ago I was at Karl Marx Haus with my mom, who was visiting me in Germany. There is a placard on the wall outside of it that showed Marx's head in profile, and my hairstyle at the time wasn't so far off. My mom decided to get a picture of me beneath it, and when she did so, some Chinese tourists also took snapshots of me and gave me big thumbs up. I never felt so validated in my life.
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Mr. Lobe posted:A couple years ago I was at Karl Marx Haus with my mom, who was visiting me in Germany. There is a placard on the wall outside of it that showed Marx's head in profile, and my hairstyle at the time wasn't so far off. My mom decided to get a picture of me beneath it, and when she did so, some Chinese tourists also took snapshots of me and gave me big thumbs up. lmao that rules
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Mr. Lobe posted:A couple years ago I was at Karl Marx Haus with my mom, who was visiting me in Germany. There is a placard on the wall outside of it that showed Marx's head in profile, and my hairstyle at the time wasn't so far off. My mom decided to get a picture of me beneath it, and when she did so, some Chinese tourists also took snapshots of me and gave me big thumbs up. hell yeah dude!!
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Mr. Lobe posted:A couple years ago I was at Karl Marx Haus with my mom, who was visiting me in Germany. There is a placard on the wall outside of it that showed Marx's head in profile, and my hairstyle at the time wasn't so far off. My mom decided to get a picture of me beneath it, and when she did so, some Chinese tourists also took snapshots of me and gave me big thumbs up. in diesem hauze vee say open biden
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Mr. Lobe posted:A couple years ago I was at Karl Marx Haus with my mom, who was visiting me in Germany. There is a placard on the wall outside of it that showed Marx's head in profile, and my hairstyle at the time wasn't so far off. My mom decided to get a picture of me beneath it, and when she did so, some Chinese tourists also took snapshots of me and gave me big thumbs up. That's a cool photo and a nice memory made with your mom.
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Mr. Lobe posted:A couple years ago I was at Karl Marx Haus with my mom, who was visiting me in Germany. There is a placard on the wall outside of it that showed Marx's head in profile, and my hairstyle at the time wasn't so far off. My mom decided to get a picture of me beneath it, and when she did so, some Chinese tourists also took snapshots of me and gave me big thumbs up. lol
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getting photographed like some sort of zoo animal by Chinese tourists is really funny, happened to me several times
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https://twitter.com/AntonJaegermm/status/1389969289948577793 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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a Loving Dog posted:getting photographed like some sort of zoo animal by Chinese tourists is really funny, happened to me several times Felt a little more like Trier was their Disneyland, and I was their Mickey Mouse costume analog (a reasonable visual proximity of a youngish Marx) After all, zoo animals don't get thumbs up  Trier is an incredibly beautiful town though, I heartily recommend visiting it if any of you get the chance. May is a great time because the strawberry stands are up in the ancient marketplace. Also, thanks guys 
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Continuing my reading of Philippe J. Bernard's "Planning in the Soviet Union" \  What stood out to me in these sections was how the USSR made significant strides towards "deconcentrating" (the author specifically says it's not "decentralizing") its control of industries after Stalin's era. Whereas it used to be that almost all industries were controlled by a single department, usually based in Moscow, that directed the operations of all industries regardless of its geographical location, there was a significant shift towards the sovnarkhoz, not only to reduce the amount of unnecessary rail traffic from uncoordinated transportation of goods cross-country due to a control scheme that didn't sufficiently factor in location, but also to be able to better take advantage of local/regional resources. That, combined with the description of how small enterprises, and certain types of consumer goods production would fall under the control of municipal / local authorities, has done much to disabuse me of this picture of a "centrally planned" economy where everything is run from the top down by a gigantic bureaucracy inside the capital that determines how many shoes need to be made by any one factory.
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its important to remember that a lot of propaganda we grew up on about the soviet union, when it was based on reality in the first place, was almost always describing WW2 or just after. the united states was similarly running everything out of the white house at the time, but its only efficient when you NEED a rail shipment of rifle ammo right loving now.
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As promised, here's Through Soviet Russia by AS Hooper in its entirety. Hasty phone camera pics but it should be readable, though it's not ideal. Full Pamphlet Album Here's a representative bit where he's in Ukraine. The excerpt about the Indian tea planter being extremely confused and then the description of the people's court are both great imo.  The bits towards the end where he describes his completely uneventful journey home while the Great Purge is at its height really paints a different picture from the usual Applebaum-esque 'climate of fear everywhere' take on it. The postscript where it's made clear that the Soviet offer of military alliance with the western allies was well-known publicly in May 1939 is particularly interesting too. Hooper is however an extremely horny man and passes comment on every single woman he encounters in his travels, so you've got to read past that poo poo lmao Sorry this is all images and not searchable text but I spent years transcribing books into digital form as my day job and doing it recreationally is more than I can stand to do now. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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This is really interesting. Thanks for uploading it.
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Flavius Aetass posted:This is really interesting. Thanks for uploading it. https://youtu.be/V9O94UTDAJQ
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John Charity Spring posted:The bits towards the end where he describes his completely uneventful journey home while the Great Purge is at its height really paints a different picture from the usual Applebaum-esque 'climate of fear everywhere' take on it. i can't remember if i posted this here but i'm dropping it again. it's kotkin describing the era of the purges: Terror had seized the privileged precincts of society—the postmidnight knock, the search and confiscations in the presence of summoned neighbors (“witnesses” were required by law), the wailing of spouses and children, the disappearances without trace, the fruitless pleading for information at NKVD reception windows, the desperate queues outside transit prisons and unheard screams inside, the bribes to guards for scraps of information on whereabouts. But ordinary Soviet inhabitants mostly did not feel an immediate threat of arrest. As the morbid joke had it, when uniformed men arrived and said “NKVD,” people answered, “You’ve got the wrong apartment—the Communists live upstairs.”
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Ferrinus posted:i can't remember if i posted this here but i'm dropping it again. it's kotkin describing the era of the purges: that owns actually
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