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It was really off-script!
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May 6, 2021 08:00
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expansion? have they annexed any territory since the civil war ended?
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May 6, 2021 08:00
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they made some islands
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May 6, 2021 08:02
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Zedhe Khoja posted:expansion? have they annexed any territory since the civil war ended? At the UN there’s a gigantic map of the world that decides everything and China keeps using a pencil to draw dotted lines in the ocean when nobody’s looking
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May 6, 2021 08:03
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tbf if the word dictatorship means anything then Xi Jinping is a dictator, I don't think in modern history there's any 'dictator' who didn't have to satisfy a significant amount of powerful people around them, and a large portion of the public without getting killed / ousted / revolutioned pretty quick. He got unanimously elected by the several thousand voters who vote for president, across all the parties in China, no abstain or nothing. FDR, Lincoln, and washington were all dictators who also won elections and that's who Americans would probably say are their greatest presidents. the word isn't "foreign leader who we don't like who won a rigged election"
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May 6, 2021 08:09
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/AlexandreKrausz/status/1177974616666640385 wild
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May 6, 2021 08:14
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Antonymous posted:tbf if the word dictatorship means anything then Xi Jinping is a dictator, Granted, you could argue that it simply goes back to the original Roman definition of a dictator, a politician that holds near total political power but still has to be answerable to his constituency. Julius Caesar didn't lose the support of the average people of Rome, but he lost a specific faction of the Senatorial class who murdered him to get rid of him.
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May 6, 2021 09:19
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Antonymous posted:tbf if the word dictatorship means anything then Xi Jinping is a dictator, I'm not sure there even can be someone who would fit the cultural image of a dictator. There's always some constituency they have to appease and even if it's only the army and the spooks that's a shitton of people.
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May 6, 2021 09:35
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democracy means country we like, and has meant so since Woodrow Wilson decided that wilhelmine Germany wasn’t democratic despite having more of its population with sufferage than America. A lot of people also think in terms of “soft fuzzy” words. Democracy is good therefore a country I hate or did something bad can’t be democratic ( as an aside, 70 percent of the German reichstag voted for ww1. They were democratically elected by almost universal suffrage)
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May 6, 2021 09:38
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At least for new laws and new policy, CCP has all sort of feedback loops to find out if they are popular. Also new policies get trailed in limited cities and get rolled back all the time. There was a draft of a law that let foreigner become Chinese citizen a couple years ago. IMO it mainly target former Chinese who has gotten a foreign citizenship but wants to change back to PRC citizenship; also brides from Laos/Myanmars etc. But the wording was "foreigners" and lot of netizens immediately thought of "Africans in Guangzhou". People complained online and the draft of the law pretty much disappear.
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May 6, 2021 11:03
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stephenthinkpad posted:At least for new laws and new policy, CCP has all sort of feedback loops to find out if they are popular. Also new policies get trailed in limited cities and get rolled back all the time. There was a draft of a law that let foreigner become Chinese citizen a couple years ago. IMO it mainly target former Chinese who has gotten a foreign citizenship but wants to change back to PRC citizenship; also brides from Laos/Myanmars etc. But the wording was "foreigners" and lot of netizens immediately thought of "Africans in Guangzhou". People complained online and the draft of the law pretty much disappear. there was a draft law last year making permanent residence easier to get but it similarly never went anywhere
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May 6, 2021 11:27
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quote:China/Russia is not part of any colony that the Philippines ever belonged to - so there is no "colonial mentality" in refusing to take Sinovac or Sputnik quote:rumor has it china have had 2 years to develop sinovac so they know about the risk of blood clots which they resolved by lowering the efficacy of the vaccine while providing protection against severe complications but is feared to allow further mutations for covid19. sputnik is probably the most tested on humans but has a bad reputation due to russia's poorer pharmaceutical standards so protection can vary per jab. quote:Russian and Chinese vaccines are loving sketchy man. Their government probably forced the scientist to skip crucial clinical trials before the vaccines is released. Also they refuse to share the result of the trials for peer review, so that the scientific community could tell us if it's safe or not. Kinda sus if you ask me. quote:Not a case of colonial mentality. It has more to do with the fact that the manufacturers refuse to share clinical trial results, and they also refuse to submit them for peer review, and there's little to no transparency regarding their efficacy. quote:Sorry. That last one is probably the most honest out of all of these
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May 6, 2021 11:55
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remember when people including joe biden made those exact same criticisms of the trump vaccines only for them to turn into nutjob conspiracy theories overnight when joe biden won the election
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May 6, 2021 12:02
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You either get 5G in your vein or Communism in your vein or sweet sweet Corona in your lung, take your poison.
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May 6, 2021 12:41
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stephenthinkpad posted:You either get 5G in your vein or Communism in your vein or sweet sweet Corona in your lung, take your poison. communism please
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May 6, 2021 13:06
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will injecting communism give me bangin tits
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May 6, 2021 13:25
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yes, but they end up looking like the spaghetti string ones after a year or so
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May 6, 2021 13:44
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gradenko_2000 posted:That last one is probably the most honest out of all of these I wish I had communism running in my veins instead of the gates vaccine.
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May 6, 2021 13:49
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFiIMTbMEx4
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May 6, 2021 14:00
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fart simpson posted:communism please
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May 6, 2021 14:08
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Some Guy TT posted:remember when people including joe biden made those exact same criticisms of the trump vaccines only for them to turn into nutjob conspiracy theories overnight when joe biden won the election Remember when people on this very forum were swearing blind that absolutely no rich people would even want the vaccine and would wait until the poors had suffciently trialed it. Also re that foreigners becoming Chinese citizens thing got a link to any articles about it?
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May 6, 2021 16:29
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/AlexandreKrausz/status/1177974616666640385 huh he's still a garbage billionaire and wouldve been an insta war criminal if he got the chance
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May 6, 2021 17:34
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does he have a lot of business connections in China or something lol Kissinger is kind to China too https://twitter.com/Dimi/status/1390069422463856641
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May 6, 2021 17:55
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Maximo Roboto posted:does he have a lot of business connections in China or something maaaan this rear end in a top hat still alive??? JUST DIE ALREADY GOD drat even in a historic worldwide pandemic this motherfucker still lives
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May 6, 2021 17:56
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kissinger probably has another ten years in him somehow
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May 6, 2021 18:00
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Agrajag posted:huh Oh totally, clever capitalists don't want to touch this with a 10-foot pole. I don't give Bloomberg or Kissinger any credit for rightly avoiding a war they can't win. I still find it interesting that as a class they're not united on this issue at all.
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May 6, 2021 18:31
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Deified Data posted:Oh totally, clever capitalists don't want to touch this with a 10-foot pole. I don't give Bloomberg or Kissinger any credit for rightly avoiding a war they can't win. I still find it interesting that as a class they're not united on this issue at all. Yeah, I wouldn't give them credit beyond the fact they looked at China's growth rates and did the math. It does say something about the rest of the Beltway that they still think "they got this" and a lot of them (like Hillary) are true believers and genuinely believe "communism" must be defeated regardless of the human cost. In contrast, Bloomberg and Kissinger don't give a poo poo about human costs but they know they just can't win and so it is better to work out a deal with the "devil."
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May 6, 2021 21:30
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on that note https://twitter.com/leninology/status/1390370437352263680?s=20
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May 6, 2021 21:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9O94UTDAJQ
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May 6, 2021 21:57
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, I wouldn't give them credit beyond the fact they looked at China's growth rates and did the math. It does say something about the rest of the Beltway that they still think "they got this" and a lot of them (like Hillary) are true believers and genuinely believe "communism" must be defeated regardless of the human cost. I think the US can use more "pragmatic number crunching" guys. I am referring to Bloomberg not Kissinger. I think the US establishment blob is getting more and more ideological and its...for lack of better word, unwise.
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May 6, 2021 22:02
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Ferrinus posted:on that note https://twitter.com/Bodhishevik/status/1390410644646662150
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May 6, 2021 23:08
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-26/russia-ditches-the-dollar-in-more-than-half-of-its-exports Russia has pushed it's use of dollars in its international trade under 50% for the first time. Euros make up 75% of trade with China. Putin’s Answer to U.S. Sanctions Is More Economic Isolation According to this article two-thirds of trade exports to India are settled in rubles and the euro has surpassed the dollar in trade with the EU. https://tass.com/economy/1286655 Turkey has granted emergency authorization to the Sputnik V vaccine and ordered fifty million doses of it. More importantly plans are under way to jointly manufacture the vaccine in Turkey as well.
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May 6, 2021 23:12
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stephenthinkpad posted:I think the US can use more "pragmatic number crunching" guys. I am referring to Bloomberg not Kissinger. The problem from a “number crunching perspective” things are not looking good, and it is a lot easier just to retreat into a world of fantasy. Guys like Bloomberg or Kissinger are big enough names they can get away admitting what is going on. I don’t think the US has a plan when the stimulus spending grinds to a halt. If anything the US seems to be following the “Japan model.” Ardennes has issued a correction as of 01:20 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 00:54
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Kissinger isn’t a stupid rah rah America rule the world neoconservative, he’s immoral but normal diplomat immoral, which makes sense considering he idolizes Metternich and Talleyrand. He praised Yalta as a masterstroke, whereas most Neocons thought America should have started WW3 and nuked Moscow. PawParole has issued a correction as of 01:00 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 00:57
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May 7, 2021 01:00
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PawParole posted:Kissinger isn’t a stupid rah rah America rule the world neoconservative, he’s immoral but normal diplomat immoral, which makes sense considering he idolizes Metternich and Talleyrand. oh wait, he supported the Iraq war. wow gently caress him.
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May 7, 2021 01:48
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PawParole posted:oh wait, he supported the Iraq war. wow gently caress him. I mean man he orchestrated mass death in Eastern Cambodia...
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May 7, 2021 01:58
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Ardennes posted:I mean man he orchestrated mass death in Eastern Cambodia... Yeah but he also made big inroads with China I think it's fair to call kissinger a pragmatic imperialist. He happily supports regime change, genocide and war but only if he thinks the American elite can realistically benefit from said atrocities
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May 7, 2021 02:11
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PawParole posted:oh wait, he supported the Iraq war. wow gently caress him. lol is this a bit
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May 7, 2021 02:18
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Dreddout posted:Yeah but he also made big inroads with China Iraq is more unclear, it ended up a pointless flop that allowed Iran to become a regional power. Btw, I have been looking at US versus Chinese demographics and if anything they do generally seem to be moving in opposite directions slowly. While US population growth has been dropping, Chinese population growth if anything is moderately increasing. China does have a 10 year or so “gap” after that will affect its labor market but it essentially has its own internal “pool” of immigration from the provinces. I think it is going to be a lot harder to “defeat” China than DC thinks especially if the US property market keeps on bubbling like it has been.
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May 7, 2021 02:24
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