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Yvonmukluk posted:That was to honour the intent of the original creators! Pay no attention to 'Even An Android Can Cry', his second appearance! You're probably right, that went totally over my head.
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Lurdiak posted:Spencer is one of those writers who not only has bad ideas and writes poorly, but I'd go as far as to say that his work damages the characters involved. Let me just apologize for wishing on a monkey paw that Slott would leave Spider-Man.
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May 7, 2021 09:31
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Skwirl posted:Let me just apologize for wishing on a monkey paw that Slott would leave Spider-Man. I think we collectively share the blame on that one.
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Superior Foes of Spider-Man was such a great book, it is a shame this run has turned out this way. I don't hate it or anything, but after 50 issues of building up Kindred to have it turn out to be mostly a stupid mess just killed any interest I had in reading it. Oh well, we will get a new writer eventually. It is a shame because it has great moments sprinkled around in it, but it won't be a run I recommend to anyone after it ends.
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May 7, 2021 12:06
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Yeah I thought Spencer’s Spidey was really good (especially compared to his Cap, euygh) but then the Kindred stuff really feels like it derailed the aspects of it that I was enjoying. I don’t even get what Spencer is going for with all this. Last Remains wasn’t just bad, it was baffling, and got me to drop the title.
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Spider-man really doesn't feel like a character where it makes sense to interrogate if what he's doing hurts more than it helps, most of the time. He doesn't really have institutional support or stand in for larger real life systems and he generally prioritizes saving lives over "fighting crime". And even though he can go toe to toe with some pretty tough customers, he ultimately isn't really powerful enough to affect the world beyond what he already does. It's not like Superman where it seems like he should be able to end world hunger if he put his mind to it, or an Iron Man where he could conceivably put his resources to completely different uses. You can't share stick to wall powers technology to enrich the lives of others or lift a Geo to end poverty. He definitely hasn't always made the right choices, especially early in his career when he was definitely a more selfish person, but if anything the one moral conflict he's always faced with is guilt that he's not doing enough or bitterness that what he does costs him so much personally. "Web-swinging into burning buildings to save people is bad, actually" is not a very interesting concept.
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^burtle posted:It was better when Carnage did it and Kaine was the Defense Attorney. I just finished NeiR and I'm never going to say Kaines name correctly in my head again.
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May 7, 2021 14:56
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Yvonmukluk posted:That was to honour the intent of the original creators! Pay no attention to 'Even An Android Can Cry', his second appearance! Are you mocking the attempt by Byrne to correct what was done to Thomas and Buscema's creation, that horrible injustice done by Thomas and Buscema?
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May 7, 2021 17:28
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May 7, 2021 17:50
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remains funny that the guy who took over the book when Byrne stormed off mid story was in fact Roy Thomas. it's not like you're dealing with a constitutional originalist here, trying to interpret the thoughts of somebody long dead; Bryne took over from the guy who wrote like eighty percent of Vision stories and was taken over by the guy who created the character. a man just absolutely unable to get over the idea of Ultron looking upon his smooth, featureless mechanical crotch and thinking "I can build a robot dick, that will show dad"
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May 7, 2021 17:52
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I'd almost argue the America retcon is to make her backstory more easily 'marketable' and 'cinematic' for the MCU version except the adoptive family, which is a totally fine thing to add, covers a lot of those bases, and they're keeping the idea of her being the child of lesbian moms, which you'd think is the part the MCU would want downplayed so they could cut it out for homophobic markets.
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May 7, 2021 17:54
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Yvonmukluk posted:I think I'm the one person who still likes Spencer's ASM. His Cap run is hot garbage, but I like his Spidey. I like it too but a whole bunch of the thread has turned on it and I'm not about to try and mount a big defense  .vvvv: I agree with the tablet being boring but I love Boomerang so they kinda cancel out to me. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 18:25 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 18:19
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The Kindred plot is vaguely interesting if the speculations end up being correct. But the Boomerang/tablet stuff is just a slog.
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Gaz-L posted:I'd almost argue the America retcon is to make her backstory more easily 'marketable' and 'cinematic' for the MCU version except the adoptive family, which is a totally fine thing to add, covers a lot of those bases, and they're keeping the idea of her being the child of lesbian moms, which you'd think is the part the MCU would want downplayed so they could cut it out for homophobic markets. The fan outcry if they do an MCU version of America Chavez with heterosexual parents would be huge. They'd be better off just not showing her parents.
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Gaz-L posted:I'd almost argue the America retcon is to make her backstory more easily 'marketable' and 'cinematic' for the MCU version except the adoptive family, which is a totally fine thing to add, covers a lot of those bases, and they're keeping the idea of her being the child of lesbian moms, which you'd think is the part the MCU would want downplayed so they could cut it out for homophobic markets. The whole "retcon" is something America doesn't believe that's being told to her by a girl claiming to be her younger sister. I wouldn't get too worked up about it for now, let alone drawing connections to the MCU. It feels more like an attempt to give America a unique supporting cast and/or delve further into her parents' history.
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May 7, 2021 19:00
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Wanderer posted:It feels more like an attempt to give America a unique supporting cast and/or delve further into her parents' history. That was the entire point of the Rivera run though
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site posted:That was the entire point of the Rivera run though I don't think anybody liked it. Especially as I think it was in the first issue she had America break up with her EMT girlfriend that people did like because something something long distance when America can teleport across the country.
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It's been a couple years but i don't remember many of the complaints being about the supporting cast or her space lesbian moms, except from the chuds of course Now that I'm thinking about it though between west coast avengers and this i guess America dropped out of multiversal college at some point site fucked around with this message at 19:42 on May 7, 2021 |
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I didn't like the Rivera book but that was because the tone and pace were just awful. The second the sorority at the college was named after a loving Fifth Element reference was the point where I went "nope, this feels like a parody". It got slightly better during the Hawkeye crossover but I suspect that had something to do with Kelly Thompson riding shotgun as she was writing Hawkeye at the time. I literally don't remember any supporting cast beyond Prodigy and he may as well have not been there.
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Look, the main plot of ASM is definitely way too stretched out, but Spencer's Boomerang and Beetle are still fun. I've really enjoyed the Beetle dating Randy Robertson subplot.
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Speak posted:Look, the main plot of ASM is definitely way too stretched out, but Spencer's Boomerang and Beetle are still fun. I've really enjoyed the Beetle dating Randy Robertson subplot. yeah, i've genuinely enjoyed that the Kindred/One More Day stuff is positively glacial, though
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Gaz-L posted:I didn't like the Rivera book but that was because the tone and pace were just awful. The second the sorority at the college was named after a loving Fifth Element reference was the point where I went "nope, this feels like a parody". It got slightly better during the Hawkeye crossover but I suspect that had something to do with Kelly Thompson riding shotgun as she was writing Hawkeye at the time. I literally don't remember any supporting cast beyond Prodigy and he may as well have not been there. I really dug her luchador grandma, but the whole college setting was terrible
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FoneBone posted:yeah, i've genuinely enjoyed that Yeah it's kind of hard to believe we're 65 (more if you include the side stories and .1 issues!) and I still don't think we're actually going to resolve this storyline any time soon. At least it's double shipping? Can you imagine the alternate world where we'd still have like two years to go just to get to the same issue count?
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Soonmot posted:I really dug her luchador grandma, but the whole college setting was terrible It was like a 40 something mom trying to impress her daughter with a fic about Tumblr U
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Genuinely good laugh out of Guardians of the Galaxy today. Black Cat's only problem is it was over too quick.
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Bananaquiter posted:I regret ever wishing the Fantastic Four came back. What now?
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Silk's new enemy is really unlikeable. She's a good foil for her. But I do wonder if Jonah will figure out Cindy's identity on his own. You'd think that he'd be a bit more wary of the people close to him after that whole thing with Parker. Honestly, it would be weird if he did not figure it out at some point. Apparently she doesn't even have plot armor with regards to that.
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Bananaquiter posted:I regret ever wishing the Fantastic Four came back. New issue definitely had some things I really didn't like.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:New issue definitely had some things I really didn't like. What did Slott do now?
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Well, the Tablet/Boomerang saga has come to an end in ASM. I thought it was pretty good.
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Skwirl posted:What did Slott do now? I mean, I guess it isn't technically sexual assault!
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Skwirl posted:What now? Lyja is back on her rapey bullshit (or maybe she was fully controlled by Alicia IDK). Johnny cheats on his girlfriend with Victorius. That wedding got more interesting at least.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Silk's new enemy is really unlikeable. She's a good foil for her. But I do wonder if Jonah will figure out Cindy's identity on his own. You'd think that he'd be a bit more wary of the people close to him after that whole thing with Parker. Honestly, it would be weird if he did not figure it out at some point. Apparently she doesn't even have plot armor with regards to that. Her first series had the funny gag of JJ loving Silk while still hating Spider-Man so I honestly kind of hope that now that he likes Spider-Man he flips on Silk. There's only room in his heart for one spider-person at a time.
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Bananaquiter posted:Lyja is back on her rapey bullshit (or maybe she was fully controlled by Alicia IDK). Johnny cheats on his girlfriend with Victorius. That wedding got more interesting at least. Yeah, mind controlling in this situation takes it from interesting to loving gross.
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*William Shatner in Wrath of Khan voice* SLOOOOOOOOOTT!!!!!
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Where's those people telling me the book was good back when it launched?
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