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i'd agree that it is a bit misleading to look at the number of people using various app stores rather than the amount of money spent on various app stores. or just the total number of paid transactions. after all that is far more relevant to people trying to sell apps than how many people have a particular app store installed. really the strongest argument for apple is that a 30% cut on game stuff isn't that ridiculous *anyway*, in a world of xboxes and playstations. if this was spotify suing i think it is easier to see that taking a large cut of the subscription on sublicensed content is kind of ridiculous (plus the dominance of apple is much clearer for them, as i think spotify withdrawing from ios would be pretty much equivalent to closing up shop).
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yes. we’re talking about the us market here because this is a lawsuit in the us in a us court and will only mandate changing the app store in the us. their market share outside of the us is completely irrelevant for the purposes of this suit. refleks posted:It seems Epic is actually arguing for a monopoly designation for Apple in the appstore... yes. that’s exactly what people are talking about. Cybernetic Vermin posted:really the strongest argument for apple is that a 30% cut on game stuff isn't that ridiculous *anyway*, in a world of xboxes and playstations. if this was spotify suing i think it is easier to see that taking a large cut of the subscription on sublicensed content is kind of ridiculous (plus the dominance of apple is much clearer for them, as i think spotify withdrawing from ios would be pretty much equivalent to closing up shop). yeah i largely agree with this mediaphage fucked around with this message at 11:02 on May 7, 2021 |
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May 7, 2021 10:46
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:really the strongest argument for apple is that a 30% cut on game stuff isn't that ridiculous *anyway*, in a world of xboxes and playstations. if this was spotify suing i think it is easier to see that taking a large cut of the subscription on sublicensed content is kind of ridiculous (plus the dominance of apple is much clearer for them, as i think spotify withdrawing from ios would be pretty much equivalent to closing up shop). On the other hand, if apple reduce their cut, they'll lose way more than that percentage of their IAP income because any sensible dev will make the initial app free and offer the upgrade to the full version via IAP instead, at a discounted price (eg right now if a dev wants to make $10 on their app sale, they have to charge $14.28, and Apple gets $4.28. If Apple drop their IAP cut to 15%, then a dev can make the same money charging an IAP for $11.76 , but Apple only gets $1.76)
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May 7, 2021 11:39
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30% is too much on every platform, not just apple
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May 7, 2021 12:07
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really want to see how Epic argue its a monopoly...
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May 7, 2021 12:31
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why does anyone care what percentage of a cut some millionaire is taking from another millionaire?
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May 7, 2021 12:47
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Boiled Water posted:why does anyone care what percentage of a cut some millionaire is taking from another millionaire? a dangerous line of inquiry for just about all conversation in yospos
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May 7, 2021 13:00
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i dont really care about apple nor epic winning... i like my apple products, but they're all billion dollar tech companies - there are no good guys. i want to know the interpretation of monopoly in this case... i have a hard time understanding how it can be considered monopolistic behavior to charge for access to the appstore?
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May 7, 2021 13:10
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:a dangerous line of inquiry for just about all conversation in yospos it may be time for the YOSPOS Truth and Reconciliation Council to appear and handle this one
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May 7, 2021 13:22
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the judge should just declare that fortnight is illegal and stick a nail in it
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May 7, 2021 13:41
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akadajet posted:the judge should just declare that fortnight is illegal and stick a nail in it “while i agree on all of the plantiffs points, because apparently to know what the hell was going on in rise of skywalker i needed to have been playing fortnite i rule favor of the defendant”
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May 7, 2021 14:25
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subscription based services are already treated differently from iap
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May 7, 2021 14:29
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rjmccall posted:subscription based services are already treated differently from iap sort of. isn't it still 70% for the first year and it resets if a user cancels for more than 2 months? that's still kinda harsh for some subscription products imo but i don't make those apps so i don't know...but when i end up subscribing to stuff it's usually pretty off and on
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May 7, 2021 14:38
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refleks posted:yeah that 15% market share iOS has is really the de-facto tool for a large part of the population... Apple has a 90% share of rich and/or attractive people.
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May 7, 2021 14:41
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Apple should increase their cut to 50% to show the developers who's in charge.
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May 7, 2021 14:46
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akadajet posted:the judge should just declare that fortnight is illegal and stick a nail in it in a surprise twist both apple and epic are nationalized and both tims get guillotined.
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May 7, 2021 15:29
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apple should increase their cut of subscription software to 100% so that apps that have gone to a lovely subs model stop being dicks i tried fantastical earlier this year and it was good but lol at paying $60 a year for a calendar app. i would probably have been ok with like $40 upfront but $5 a month for a calendar, gtfoh
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May 7, 2021 21:18
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a lot of the subscription garbage is directly apple's fault for refusing to let apps charge for updates
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May 7, 2021 21:36
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can't they just release it as a new app if they wanna get paid again so bad? besides it's not like they couldn't just pay to unlock the new features as a one time purchase. people choosing to make their apps subscription based instead of one time purchase-based is all on them.
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May 7, 2021 21:42
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releasing an entirely new app means you lose all your ratings/reviews/etc. and completely tank your sales. iap-based upgrades are total garbage for an actual new version of the app where you change things and not just locking individual features behind additional money
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May 7, 2021 22:04
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:in a surprise twist both apple and epic are nationalized and both tims get guillotined. the only acceptable outcome
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May 7, 2021 22:05
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I don't wear a watch or carry a phone usually. My current pixel 4 can awake with my face, which is nice. (the screen also awakes when I cough, piss and/o poo poo)
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May 7, 2021 22:06
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Zeluth posted:I don't wear a watch or carry a phone usually. My current pixel 4 can awake with my face, which is nice. (the screen also awakes when I cough, piss and/o poo poo) nobody loving cares
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May 7, 2021 22:11
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i was quite comfortable with the pay $ for major new version model, i did that for years with alfred, istatmenus, 1password seems like apple could do a lot to make this work better in the app store tho
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May 7, 2021 22:25
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I got a new job in healthcare and my M1 Air has spoiled me for speed. These shitass HP "business" desktops I gotta use are so loving slow. Oh, sir/ma'am I'm sorry if you're dying, just sit tight as I wait 30-60 seconds for this software to load. LIke, as cheap as SSDs are, why couldn't HP just spring for some 128 gb ssd or something. for fucks sake.
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May 7, 2021 22:51
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they're probably poo poo and using the base system build with a mechanical drive, but the rest of that is your company's security compliance system image with 8 different endpoint protection suites and monitoring software running simultaneously. to the extent that anyone even makes that poo poo for mac, it also tanks system performance and accomplishes nothing
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May 7, 2021 22:54
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infernal machines posted:they're probably poo poo and using the base system build with a mechanical drive, but the rest of that is your company's security compliance system image with 8 different endpoint protection suites and monitoring software running simultaneously. ah yeah, that's probably what's up
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May 7, 2021 22:56
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Gentle Autist posted:i was quite comfortable with the pay $ for major new version model, i did that for years with alfred, istatmenus, 1password certainly a grouped 'releases' item or something, where you can buy the latest or download your current. some devs tried bundles to at least tie the next version to the old one for drastic upgrades, and offer a discount as a partially complete bindle, but that's so hacky and obviously not the right way to handle established releases
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infernal machines posted:to the extent that anyone even makes that poo poo for mac, it also tanks system performance and accomplishes nothing symantec endpoint is better now. I'm guessing that's more because the drives are faster in mbps than when we started using them here i mean better is subjective. it completely loses its mind for npm installs but only sometimes? amazing
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May 7, 2021 23:01
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akadajet posted:nobody loving cares You make no adsense.
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Astoundingly Ugly Baby posted:I got a new job in healthcare and my M1 Air has spoiled me for speed. These shitass HP "business" desktops I gotta use are so loving slow. Oh, sir/ma'am I'm sorry if you're dying, just sit tight as I wait 30-60 seconds for this software to load. then I got some Lenovo thing with a nice ssd and holy balls does it make all the difference in the world. plus I demanded a Tonne of RAM so I'm flying.
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never underestimate the extent to which corporate spyware security bullshit can tank performance we have HP elitebook 840 G3s at work, and i ended up buying a refurb one off ebay with pretty much the same specs as our work systems. the one i own is absolutely fine, boots up in seconds, applications load instantly, no problems. my work laptop? lol. most applications take several seconds to load (or sometimes just totally poo poo the bed, you gotta kill it in task manager and launch again), dragging Office windows around lags like hell (only Office apps do this), updates will take hours to install, and the fan almost never stops running. our security software is basically indistinguishable from malware.
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May 8, 2021 01:25
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oh yeah and never underestimate how goddamn cheap businesses can be. hp and all the other major OEMs will gladly make available the most dogshit configurations imaginable (spinning rust, 1366x768 screens, 4GB RAM, etc), and so long as it's cheap, some moron will buy it.
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May 8, 2021 01:27
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I bought one of those thick 2012 macbooks used and without all the enterprise tracking poo poo in the bg it's way snappier than my work 2020 16"
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May 8, 2021 01:31
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SO DEMANDING posted:oh yeah and never underestimate how goddamn cheap businesses can be. hp and all the other major OEMs will gladly make available the most dogshit configurations imaginable (spinning rust, 1366x768 screens, 4GB RAM, etc), and so long as it's cheap, some moron will buy it. it still amazes me that hp sells otherwise usable systems with 1366x768 screens
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May 8, 2021 02:15
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infernal machines posted:it still amazes me that hp sells otherwise usable systems with 1366x768 screens i think just about every bigger oem who isn't apple still does
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May 8, 2021 02:54
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that seems like it would have been a little excusable before windows had good scaling for high dpi resolutions, but these days I run win 10 at 200% scale and it works just fine
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May 8, 2021 03:46
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infernal machines posted:it still amazes me that hp sells otherwise usable systems with 1366x768 screens lmao and i thought being issued a "workstation" thinkpad with a 1080p tn screen and spinning rust in 2014 was absurd
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May 8, 2021 04:09
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We're not even allowed to bring our own keyboards or mice, due to security concerns.
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