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illcendiary
Dec 4, 2005

Damn, this is good coffee.

JaySB posted:

AirBnB is such a horrible company. If you paid with AMEX, just dispute the charge. There's literally no reason they should be enforcing cancellation fees.

I had to cancel a trip for medical reasons, they tried to keep all my money, then a few days later cancelled my AirBNB account. In the cancellation letter they sent they said that I'd be getting a refund for any upcoming stays...Lol so in theory if I had waited a few days I'd have just gotten a refund(?) Anyways, disputed that and I'm good to go.

Booked with a Chase Sapphire Reserve. It seems like their extenuating circumstances policy has been extended to all US bookings made before today with a check-in date before April 1:

https://news.airbnb.com/updating-our-extenuating-circumstances-policy/

So I should be able to get the rest of my money back. Failing that, I’ll file a claim with Chase citing that policy. Should be good to go.

Frustratingly, the Shania Twain concerts haven’t been canceled yet which I think will preclude me from getting a refund for that.

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goodness
Jan 3, 2012

When the light turns green, you go. When the light turns red, you stop. But what do you do when the light turns blue with orange and lavender spots?
Air BnB updated policy is giving full refunds for Vegas area. Looks like Ill be pushing my trip back as I doubt the stuff I wanted to do will be open in 2 weeks :(

goodness fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Mar 15, 2020

Ally McBeal Wiki
Aug 15, 2002

TheFraggot
So, by September? Rebound? What's the story out there? How bad, and for how long? Collateral damage (employment, properties) bad yet, or just starting to get bad?

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


I'm getting comp room offers from a bunch of places right now but lol at the idea of traveling to Vegas right now only to be surrounded by the type of people who think it's ok to visit Vegas right now

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

Yup... 😞

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
So how do we feel about April time? Thinking about a visit from the UK, one of the only places handling it as bad as the US.

Also, any recommendations for somewhere to go before/after Vegas? I've been taking a look at LA, San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver. I guess I shouldn't count on being able to go from the states into Canada? Just an extra moving part.

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

The US/Canada border is sealed at the moment.

Come April? Not sure. Some vaccine might be out by then. Probably not the general population.

I love Vegas. It's one of my favorite places and my birthplace, but I just can't see the appeal until you can freely mingle with strangers in close quarters.

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



I don’t see the appeal of wanting to play craps or BJ behind plexiglass barriers with the dealers in PPE, but sure enough people are doing it

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

luminalflux posted:

I don’t see the appeal of wanting to play craps or BJ behind plexiglass barriers with the dealers in PPE, but sure enough people are doing it

Being addictive probably helps. Not really my thing but I have some professional interest in seeing this stuff, since I've a game dev degree but never understood gambling that much. Also theres a sale on and the airlines are being flexible if I want to push it back. But there's no way I want to spend 10 days all in Vegas right? I'll want to hop somewhere else for a bit?

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



My limit on Vegas is 72 hours, after that it becomes overwhelming.

I personally wouldn’t think international travel is going to be a thing that soon - our wedding was planned to be in July 2020 in NorCal, which we moved to aug 2021 back in April. We moved it to 2022 last week since it’s not clear that US and Sweden will have things under control.

Vegas right now is weird AF but not in a good way. Assuming things get back to normal in a year, I’d wait until then to consider traveling

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!

luminalflux posted:

My limit on Vegas is 72 hours, after that it becomes overwhelming.
I spent five days there last year, and it's fine as long as you pace yourself and keep some variety going.

I only spent maybe 2% of my awake time gambling though. The was mostly walking, seeing things, eating, going to shows, doing the silly tourist stuff, and spending a fair amount of time relaxing in my hotel room, enjoying the view of the Strip.

But I'm weird; I don't have much use for the casinos, but I'd happily spend dozens of hours at the Pinball Hall of Fame.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
I think 72 hours to 4-5 days is my limit top

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

bunnyofdoom posted:

I think 72 hours to 4-5 days is my limit top

Yeah I'll add some time in Seattle or something to make more of the long flight. How is LV airport? Might it be better to fly to the other destination and hip to Vegas?

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



BizarroAzrael posted:

Yeah I'll add some time in Seattle or something to make more of the long flight. How is LV airport? Might it be better to fly to the other destination and hip to Vegas?

Please don’t bring your brexit corona here until it’s safe to travel

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Vegas is mostly limping along on drive-in traffic from California, offering very little beyond casino floors where only 25% of the machines are active. The nicer casinos kindly took all the chairs away from the machines that are shut down. As of this week, reservations are required for any dining room in the state. Customers only come in fits and starts, so on most days the reservations are plentiful and quick, but having to make a reservation for a buffet, a coffee shop, or even the deli is a little weird. The conglomorates that own multiple towers are beginning to close some of the hotel towers mid-week, so if you want to spend Monday night you can stay at Wynn or Luxor for now, but not at Encore or Mandalay.

Nevada followed the typical profile of a state that closed until summer started, then reopened faster than initially laid out due to public pressure for MAH BUSINESS and MAH HAIRCUT and MAH BOOZE. Masks weren't required at any casinos until the state required it, because no casino wants to put a requirement on visitors without all the other casinos requiring it too, but for a while in late May casinos were actually giving you free playing money for wearing a mask. Masks became mandatory about three weeks after the touristy poo poo reopened, which was three weeks too late.

For a while there were casinos but no bars, but so many people work in the tavern/bar industry including bars outside of the tourist corridor that litter the suburbs. So against better judgement the bars reopened. Then out of work showgirls and magicians and whatnot started complaining about how the arts have been neglected, so soon we had like 50 person gatherings, until again under pressure again from entertainment and whatnot it went to 250, with large venues being able to seat more than 250 if they can present a plan to create bubbles of 250-person pods with no crossover. So the new NFL stadium, for example, could seat 6,000 fans but in separated groups of 250.

All of this came crashing apart when positivity rates started spiking a few weeks ago. It is now spreading with more intensity and speed locally than ever before. The hospitals are in danger of being overwhelmed, presently at 80% capacity with people who thankfully mostly aren't in serious enough condition to need ventilators but are taking up most of the beds anyhow. Due to the fact that many people are not testing positive until they arrive back home, the Las Vegas Tourist Experience(TM) is presently a danger to the entire nation's recovery, since it's possible people here are catching bugs that infect people in their hometown and fill a bed or two in their hometown hospital. But Mitch McConnell isn't bailing out any state or local governments, and Nevada will gradually die without it's vice industries since we failed to diversify and object to taxing anything but tourist activities, so being a nuisance to the nation is the logical path remaining.

MGM was, for a couple weeks, running some of their smaller shows in larger rooms. You could see Carrot Top performing in a huge and mostly empty ballroom, or a titty show in a huge and mostly empty ex-Cirque showroom. Jabbawockeez was performing in the arena where they used to have Mayweather fights. The current state of Vegas entertainment after the most recent restrictions is a comedi-magician doing standup to crowds of fifteen people.

But do know that Fremont is still packed on weekends with people shoulder to shoulder with basically no control over the swarm of humanity there.

Some sort of testing validation would work wonders. Wynn seems to have put more thought in aggressively pursuing new ways to do business in this climate, and paid a local hospital to build a testing lab on their premises that they proposed could allow for same-day testing for showroom visitors. But right now it's an absolute mess. The current message from government is that people who live in the state should be masked if they see anyone around them they don't live with, and ideally just never leave home at all, but tourists are encouraged to violate all those rules to get from where you live to here and spend big. Tourists are, uh, invincible to contagious diseases, if you didn't know. :shepicide:

Stay home and do not come here until either things settle down nationwide or there's some sort of travel regulations are put into place. While New York and other states were requiring 14 day quarantines for people arriving from problem areas, they never did anything like that here, so there's nothing but a mask (which often isn't covering the nose) to stop some member of MAGA Nation from coming here the same time as you and making you sick.

Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Nov 26, 2020

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


is this also the thread for people who live in/ thinking of moving to vegas? I'm tempted only because of cheap housing and no income tax. I'm currently in Oregon. This is of course post pandemic. Also, I run my own business online so in terms of job don't have to worry.

LionArcher fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jan 20, 2021

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



The LAN thread is here but it’s kind of dead https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3903388

Riptor
Apr 13, 2003

here's to feelin' good all the time

BizarroAzrael posted:

Yeah I'll add some time in Seattle or something to make more of the long flight. How is LV airport? Might it be better to fly to the other destination and hip to Vegas?

just so you're aware the distance you're talking about is the same as London to Budapest. By no means impossible but it's not like it's right next door

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

BizarroAzrael posted:

So how do we feel about April time? Thinking about a visit from the UK, one of the only places handling it as bad as the US.

It's kind of funny how this post aged; now the UK and the US are the world leaders for the best handling of vaccinations. The EU surpassed the USA in terms of death rates per capita yesterday :fsmug:, it surpassed the UK a couple weeks ago, and the EU average death rate per capita is currently more than double that of Sweden. ( https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=gbr&areas=eur )

Riptor posted:

just so you're aware the distance you're talking about is the same as London to Budapest. By no means impossible but it's not like it's right next door

Also his original post is moot anyway, British people are not allowed to leave their country until 18 May at the earliest.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Restaurants are now back to 50% capacity, up to 250 people. A limited number of shows are re-opening in larger venues than before: think small cabaret shows in the large showrooms, showroom shows in the large arenas, David Copperfield in a converted convention hall, that sort of thing. This puts us back to where we were around late September before a rash of Trump rallies around Nevada, combined people's inability to spend the holidays alone or with their own household, ruined last year's progress.

Business is still bad and probably will be until Vegas finds something new, because we overinvested in things that are probably either a year away from restarting in earnest (conventions) and things that will probably never again be as mainstream as pre-COVID and we now need less of (clubbing). But to the average visiting tourist, the two big omissions from the Strip are Cirque du Soleil and buffets. CDS laid off a bunch of uniquely talented people from around the globe and declared bankruptcy last year, so re-casting is no easy feat. Buffets have proven to be a failure and something the public doesn't trust anymore, the Cosmopolitan will be trying again soon and the locals places like Orleans will probably always have a buffet, but the executives who run the Caesars chain (including Baccanal at Caesars Palace, and the buffets at Paris/Rio/Planet Hollywood) have already told investors that their buffets are gone permanently.

Music festivals will probably be back in the fall. EDC's current May date is so laughable, there's no way the government will allow that so soon when Biden isn't promising public gatherings until July. The alt/indie Life is Beautiful festival's September date feels far more realistic.

Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Mar 15, 2021

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


I understand the why, but drat did I love Caesar’s buffet.

Virtue
Jan 7, 2009

jabro posted:

I understand the why, but drat did I love Caesar’s buffet.

Beat me to it. I hope they have a good idea for what to replace it with.

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
I actually booked tickets on a Black Friday deal for June, just have to see if international travel is cleared by then. There will be an announcement in a few weeks, I believe.

Too bad about the buffets though.

Ultimate Mango
Jan 18, 2005

Virtue posted:

Beat me to it. I hope they have a good idea for what to replace it with.

All you can eat but you order and they bring it to your table?

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Wynn tried buffet with people ordering off a menu. It wasn’t very popular. The Cosmopolitan has already tried to re-open a buffet once and failed, and will try again in the next week or so.

Some of the locals places switched to “you go up to the station and we serve you” but before the government restrictions in November that required reservations for everything they had packed the lines for those locals buffets so full of people that it was obvious they weren’t taking COVID seriously.

Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Mar 16, 2021

Chainclaw
Feb 14, 2009

Going to the new Meow Wolf is at the top of our travel list, and it sounds like it's relatively safe to travel if you're vaccinated. The last pre-covid trip we went on was to the Meow Wolf in Santa Fe, so it also seems like a good bookend to the nightmare.

We had been avoiding too much trip planning during covid to avoid making ourselves sad, but I think we're close enough to out of the woods that, once our vaccinations kick in, we should be safe. I didn't think it would be worth traveling yet with all the restrictions, but people have been raving about the new Meow Wolf already, so it sounds like we would have a good time.

I want to start planning a trip, but I don't know what else we would do. We don't drink, we don't gamble really. We're not really into shows, but we might go just to kill time. We like museums and I love pinball, so the Las Vegas Pinball Museum would be on our list.

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


With you not liking the main things Vegas is known for there is really nothing for you. If you’re a foodie maybe some restaurants or hiking at Red Rock. Walk the strip at night, see the Bellagio Fountains. I really can’t think of anything else.

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider

Chainclaw posted:

I want to start planning a trip, but I don't know what else we would do. We don't drink, we don't gamble really. We're not really into shows, but we might go just to kill time. We like museums and I love pinball, so the Las Vegas Pinball Museum would be on our list.

There's a ton of fun stuff to do. Every year a big group of friends and I go to Vegas and we're still not sick of it.

1. Go rent a bulldozer or excavator at Dig This;

2. The Bellagio conservatory is a wonderful place to look at the display and people watch;

3. The spas are supposed to be really good;

4. There are some really good hikes nearby, especially in red rock canyon;

5. Go to the medieval times knockoff at Excalibur;

6. I've got friends who swear by tea time at the waldorf;

7. The mob museum downtown is supposed to be good. Additionally it's in a walkable area. There's also the neon museum which is pretty good.

8. I thought kiss mini-golf was a blast at the Rio but I was really drunk.

9. I don't even like shows and I loved absinthe.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
https://twitter.com/ClarkCountyNV/status/1382129084977664001

All restrictions will move to a county-by-county specific plan on June 1st, save for masks which will remain statewide.

Chainclaw
Feb 14, 2009

Thanks for all the ideas! We have our trip booked, and tickets bought for everything so far except the Pinball Museum and Botanical Gardens. We ended up going one night longer than planned because the planes were nearly sold out and we couldn't get seats together on the shorter trip. We've kept one day open near the end so we can fill it in on demand based on how our trip's going. We either can't book the botanical gardens more than 2 weeks out, or it's already sold out during our trip. Either way we'll probably look for an afternoon thing that day, or also leave it open for whatever.

Minigolf, Stratosphere, nearby outdoors stuff, Excalibur, and the Adventure Dome are all on our maybe list for filling that time. I'm sure some of it will just be spent walking around the strip and Fremont Street.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Well, well, well, look who came back after all.

https://twitter.com/CaesarsPalace/status/1390699765663404038

pezzie
Apr 11, 2003

everytime someone says a seasonal anime is GOAT

Just watch the best anime ever
Opening May 20, and I'm there from May 16-19. :(

At least I've got reservations at the Wicked Spoon. I'd have loved to hit up both though!

AHH F/UGH
May 25, 2002

Holy gently caress it's $65

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider

AHH F/UGH posted:

Holy gently caress it's $65

We had a shrimp eating contest at bacchanal. We didn't even dent the supply.

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


AHH F/UGH posted:

Holy gently caress it's $65

It’s usually more.

Chainclaw
Feb 14, 2009

We just got back from our Vegas trip. Meow Wolf was amazing, we loved it. It's nowhere near as good as the original in Santa Fe, but was still really good. The other exhibits near Meow Wolf were OK, but kind of pricy for what you got. The room that's just LEDs with music was cool but just a bigger version of stuff in other rooms. Wink World was fun. I thought it was OK, my partner liked it more than Meow Wolf.

Other than that we did the Neon Museum, which was extremely tiny unless we missed something, but still pretty cool. Mob museum, which was nice in that it had a lot of stuff. Someone vaped in the bathroom and set off the smoke alarms while we were there, which was the funniest thing all trip. Kiss minigolf was OK, and from searching around seemed like probably the best mini golf, but I was hoping for something more elaborate and wild. The pinball museum was pretty cool but they were still in the process of moving, so a lot of it wasn't fully setup.

We didn't get a chance to go to the botanical gardens, we had a dental emergency. Luckily A+ Dental was able to get us in at zero notice Saturday morning.

We stayed at the Wynn, which at first I thought was kind of scummy and not well maintained, then we walked the strip and saw the bar is pretty low for hotels on the strip. The view we had from our room was really nice, and the restaurants in the hotel were good.

The grossest place we went was Circus Circus, we wanted to check out The Adventure Dome. The Circus Circus parking lot is the grossest parking lot we've ever been in, and it was an absolute madhouse getting in and out.

We did zero gambling and zero drinking.

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

Wynn is on the upscale side lol.

Go stay at Excalibur and let me know how that goes 👹

Baddog
May 12, 2001
loving Luxor is like a motel 6.

Aria is good though!

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Admittedly most of the people I know who take trips out here are from SoCal, but I think that's the first time I've heard of someone call Wynn trashy.

EDIT: Maybe their standards are slipping from not calling enough people back while capacity is rising?

Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 18:48 on May 20, 2021

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Spike McAwesome
Jun 18, 2004

Zombies? Or middle-management? I can't tell...

Chainclaw posted:

We stayed at the Wynn, which at first I thought was kind of scummy and not well maintained...

What the absolute gently caress?

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