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startupland is the law of small numbers. both thr best and the worst places to work are there cuz theres no over-overlord demanding consistency and sometimes getting it. applies for most domains, even cash payment can be high for the unicorns trying to be tech majors or really well funded smaller deals altho ofc there are fewer of those ive even worked for peeps who successfully got stability and marginally less craziness. altho its like 90% craziness out there, thats the most reliable thing to happen no single startup experience
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startups are just small businesses with all the pros and cons amplified by venture capital
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May 5, 2021 18:10
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Boiled Water posted:Bad form doesn't get you paid. For fun here are some numbers. Gave up on NYC after several months of fruitless searching and started looking elsewhere, starting in Denver. I had plans to also look in Boston starting out but only applied to small handful of jobs there. Denver: First application April 15th First offer May 3rd 59 Applications 20 Recruiter followups 15 First stage / tech screens 4 Final round interviews (3 completed 1 pending) 2 Offers
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Lots of startups aren't in California or VC-backed. You just hear mostly about those because of how this thread is oriented. In addition to the variability by organization that bob dobbs is dead mentioned, you're also going to see a lot of variation over the lifetime of a single organization. Being the first non-founder hire is very different from being employee #50 and that's very different from being employee #100. And even if the company isn't growing in size, things change over time.
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lots of startups arent in california, but there are more viable startups in sf soma than in entire continents and almost every country in the world
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May 5, 2021 18:21
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Steve Jorbs posted:I've had some final round interviews the past week and received two verbal offers from Company A and B. I just got an official offer letter from Company B to join the 6-figgie fuckhead club for the first time and it will be a 45% raise over what I currently make if it were me I wouldn't have told them what the other offer was, let alone give them a copy. same reason as you don't say a number in the first place. you don't know if company A was going to come in way higher than even company B and you may have just shot yourself in the foot it'd be worth bringing it up only if company A came in a bit under B and you wanted additional leverage to seal the deal. this is what i did with my current job. my current employer came in a bit below another company and I told them they were my preferred job and that if they could beat the other company on salary i'd accept the offer immediately. they hemmed and hawed a bit but came back to me after a few hours with an offer above what the other company was offering don't beat yourself up over it tho. a 45% raise is a 45% raise
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May 5, 2021 18:32
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PIZZA.BAT posted:if it were me I wouldn't have told them what the other offer was, let alone give them a copy. same reason as you don't say a number in the first place. you don't know if company A was going to come in way higher than even company B and you may have just shot yourself in the foot Both jobs listed the salary range up front which I only agreed was acceptable to negotiate within. I didn’t anchor to an exact number from the start.
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May 5, 2021 18:37
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Steve Jorbs posted:I forgot to mention in my description that Company A gave me a verbal offer first then B. I let B know what A offered at which point they gave me an official offer significantly above A. I’m waiting to hear back on A’s counter right now. ah gotcha. yeah if you haven't verbally agreed to any of these offers then you played it basically perfectly. well done
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May 5, 2021 18:52
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PIZZA.BAT posted:ah gotcha. yeah if you haven't verbally agreed to any of these offers then you played it basically perfectly. well done
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Thanks for the feedback. I guess I'm not surprised to hear the answer be overwhelmingly "it depends."The Fool posted:startups are just small businesses with all the pros and cons amplified by venture capital
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May 5, 2021 19:27
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"small business that intends to become an absolute unit business in like 5 years" so thats why vc is so related to it, cuz it helps a lot to have some peeps shove 3 million bucks at you if you wanna do that (then 20 million, then 100, then 250...)
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shoeberto posted:Not really an interviewing question per se but I'm spending a lot of time reflecting on my career and have sort of a general question. How bad is it to actually work for a startup? What are the pros and cons? I would agree with the other folk that startups tend to be pretty different but you can do a little due diligence and see if the owners are serial startupers or have more investment in it than that. A bunch of startups are run by MBA's who dream of having a business first and then try to work out the idea and the rest are people with an actual idea trying to make it work. You really want to be in the latter not the former. Along with that, for me you need to balance figgies vs time you're working. I won't work more than 40 hrs a week which doesn't work for a lot of startups. Like figgies can buy you back some time, hire a cleaner, get your messages delivered etc but ultimately I just don't want to spend more of my time working.
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Aramoro posted:Along with that, for me you need to balance figgies vs time you're working. I won't work more than 40 hrs a week which doesn't work for a lot of startups. Like figgies can buy you back some time, hire a cleaner, get your messages delivered etc but ultimately I just don't want to spend more of my time working.
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shoeberto posted:Not really an interviewing question per se but I'm spending a lot of time reflecting on my career and have sort of a general question. How bad is it to actually work for a startup? What are the pros and cons? I started a startup that is no in CA, 10 employees, went through YC, and is pre Series A so take those factors into account. I'm gonna present from an employees point of view. Pros: - If its small what you do actually matters - Extremely small chance but maybe it has a favorable exit. A friend of mine worked for a startup for 2 years and made them write his number of shares in an email after they terminated him a couple years ago. They recently IPO'd. He sold his stock and working is basically optional if he manages his money well. - Working at a big company is soul sucking Cons: - There's literally every kind of risk. My cofounder and I never had direct reports before starting this company. It seems like youre in the "high managem,ent risk" company. - Working at a small company can be soul sucking. - Often the pay is below average but if they just raised a round and you can negotiate worth a poo poo maybe not. EDIT: I am v tired and this post wasnt that helpful. If I can answer any "managing or interviewing at a seed stage startup" questions though, please ask. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 01:47 on May 6, 2021 |
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May 6, 2021 01:44
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I also have literally just joined onto a seed stage startup.
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buttchugging adderall posted:I also have literally just joined onto a seed stage startup. goodbye and good luck
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CarForumPoster posted:I started a startup quote:I'm gonna present from an employees point of view.
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Phobeste posted:Lol yea honestly I reread me writing that and realized my post was trash
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awesome how i still get that performance anxiety chest flutter feeling even on a loving zoom interview.
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KidDynamite posted:awesome how i still get that performance anxiety chest flutter feeling even on a loving zoom interview. it’s even worse for me over zoom
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I'm getting very tired of working at my current job, and just signed my lease renewal so i'm going to start looking for a new job sometime next year. I'm an absolute dullard and am bad at the whiteboarding/coding interview questions so I think a year gives me a good amount of time to prepare. I was thinking about going through my old copies of cracking the code, and chris sedgewick's algorithms book for starters. Is that a good way to prep? If not what would be a better way? Is there anything else you all would recommend?
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May 7, 2021 21:07
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leetcode. you might get lucky and have a problem pulled directly from there.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I'm getting very tired of working at my current job, and just signed my lease renewal so i'm going to start looking for a new job sometime next year. I'm an absolute dullard and am bad at the whiteboarding/coding interview questions so I think a year gives me a good amount of time to prepare. generally it would be better to apply more places and spend less time studying for an interview that you haven’t been offered yet (and thus don’t know whether it’s a waste of time) you also might learn your resume is poo poo when your phone interview rate is <2%
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KidDynamite posted:leetcode. you might get lucky and have a problem pulled directly from there. I forgot about leetcode, thanks! CarForumPoster posted:generally it would be better to apply more places and spend less time studying for an interview that you haven’t been offered yet (and thus don’t know whether it’s a waste of time) Last time I was job searching I heard back pretty immediately from several companies. I generally make it past the phone interview and fumble around during the whiteboarding portions of the interview. I feel like I know most of the stuff being asked, it's just that my nerves get the best of me and I think that having a good foundation for algorithm based questions will help me out there.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I'm getting very tired of working at my current job, and just signed my lease renewal so i'm going to start looking for a new job sometime next year. I'm an absolute dullard and am bad at the whiteboarding/coding interview questions so I think a year gives me a good amount of time to prepare. If you're targeting a FAANG, start doing leetcode exercises. In a few months maybe you can try to get those dollas If you don't want to jump through bullshit hoops, practice your interview skills instead. Also do a few toy projects and put them on your Github.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I forgot about leetcode, thanks! you might feel special but usual yields from resume->phone is like 40% for peeps who dont have a dog poo poo resume and phone->job is more like 5-20%
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I forgot about leetcode, thanks! Ahh thats useful data then. Best of luck!
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you might feel special but usual yields from resume->phone is like 40% for peeps who dont have a dog poo poo resume and phone->job is more like 5-20% CarForumPoster posted:Ahh thats useful data then. Best of luck! Yeah I didn't mean to imply that my resume is prefect or anything, it definitely needs to be redone. I have been thinking about my shortcomings in interviews for a while now, and almost everytime I feel like that portion always ends up my weakest area. I hope I didn't sound like I was discounting or ignoring your advice as that was not my intention. I do really appreciate the advice. Poopernickel posted:If you're targeting a FAANG, start doing leetcode exercises. In a few months maybe you can try to get those dollas Cool, sounds like leetcode might be the way to go. Thanks!
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you might feel special but usual yields from resume->phone is like 40% for peeps who dont have a dog poo poo resume and phone->job is more like 5-20% I think you might overestimate what qualifies as "not poo poo" statistically by comparison to raw # of applicants. If "not poo poo" means easy to read + an eng/CS degree from an ABET accredited school + experience + a GitHub w/commented code yea 40% might be right. I did the math on an entry level python req for the BFC Resume thread as there was some discussion about entry level programming jobs and what degree they held. CarForumPoster posted:I was very curious what the breakdown was since the advice I am leaning toward with strawberrymoose with coding is that he'd better have some good projects to show off because he's gonna have a tough go at coding jobs. TLDR: I had 91 applicants. 43 got more than 15 seconds of me looking at their application. I phone interviewed or strongly considered 18 applicants. Hired 1 applicant. AnimeIsTrash posted:I hope I didn't sound like I was discounting or ignoring your advice as that was not my intention. I do really appreciate the advice. I wasnt being sarcastic. If you have a good conversion rate on applications you shouldn't optimize your resume. I actually wish you the best. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 22:56 on May 7, 2021 |
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43 not poo poo -> 18 phone interviews is 42% 50% of resumes being worthless is often a lowball. often an excruciating lowball lol
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CarForumPoster posted:~40% were Indian developers with hilariously bullshit resumes that didnt provide a GitHub despite me saying it was the one hard qualification requirement in bold and including it as a required question to apply. out of curiosity, was there a non-obvious reason for this or were you just that set on only hiring people who give away their labor in their free time
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also, cmu stanford berkeley dont require abet and PE cert is a joke in putertouchin land
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raminasi posted:out of curiosity, was there a non-obvious reason for this or were you just that set on only hiring people who give away their labor in their free time Would you hire an artist without a portfolio?
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raminasi posted:out of curiosity, was there a non-obvious reason for this or were you just that set on only hiring people who give away their labor in their free time This reply only applies to SW Engineer w/less than 5 yrs full-time experience. Two years ago I started out assuming I wasn't a good judge of resumes, so I'd phone interview a TON of people and if they were even kinda okay, I'd let them tell me a time where they have 48 hours to complete a practical coding test. We mostly build and deploy web apps in Python. I've given a decent number of people the same coding test. The test doesn't prescribe how to do it but gives clear shalls that essentially require a web app to hit a no-authentication-required REST API and returns the data in a sortable table. If you've deployed 2 or 3 Flask/Django apps to Heroku or AWS before, this project can be done in 2 hours. Sadly, I do not find a strong correlation between good practical test outcome and resume quality, so I continue to phone interview people with meh resumes. Hence the large interview list I posted above. I want to believe I am a good phone interviewer but of the people who do decent on the resume AND decent on the phone interview, the project quality still isn't great. When I look at their GitHub and I look at the code they submitted to me, that is a better predictor than phone interviews of the quality of practical project I will get. Thus, to save both of us time, I require and review GitHubs before a phone interview.
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lol if you think I have any desire to write code if I don't get paid for it
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CarForumPoster posted:This reply only applies to SW Engineer w/less than 5 yrs full-time experience. i read gh poo poo all the time but you have to recognize in yourself that this gh reading poo poo makes you a fuckin weirdo and 99% of the other resumes gettin sent out are sent to recruiters who cant fizzbuzz and wouldnt know good code if you hit them in the head w it
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CarForumPoster posted:I require and review GitHubs before a phone interview. ah, the old "people with lives/families/non-computer hobbies need not apply"
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May 8, 2021 00:41
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the interviewing thread should be one way, interviewers need not post
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