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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:This is also why I hate that Rick and Morty didn’t understand it’s role from the first two seasons as “higher concept, nihilistic Futurama” and instead went up its own rear end with edginess and deconstructing itself season 3 onward. I really loving like the Story Train episode, though
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Which was the one where Rick and Summer beat up Satan and other assholes? I like that one.
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May 9, 2021 19:25
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Das Boo posted:Which was the one where Rick and Summer beat up Satan and other assholes? I like that one. over "X Gonna Give It to Ya" Something Rick-ed this Way Comes, iirc (if I rick correctly)
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May 9, 2021 19:50
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multijoe posted:Nah, one of the central jokes of Futurama is that Fry is trapped in the End of History and even a thousand years later the world is still stuck in the late 20th century with some corny special effects glued on top. The high concept episodes are usually pretty great but the golden era low-fi episodes about the company being bought out or the country having a red scare are largely pretty great too One of the early episode commentaries from the DVDs has (I believe) Matt Groening talking about how tough it was too pitch the show to FOX execs. Supposedly the concept of the future not being a utopia or a post-apocalyptic setting was tough for them to understand.
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May 9, 2021 20:14
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Mantis42 posted:Every time they do a 'Rick sad' scene with some mumblecore song I do a handjerk motion reflexively. I like the show but there's more epiisodes deconstructing the formula than actually following the formula lol Yup. They’ve been deconstructing it since like, season 2. Seasons 3 and 4 feel like a show on its last legs and late seasons getting real weird with it. All I ever really wanted out of it was several seasons like season 1.
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May 9, 2021 20:18
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pooch516 posted:One of the early episode commentaries from the DVDs has (I believe) Matt Groening talking about how tough it was too pitch the show to FOX execs. Supposedly the concept of the future not being a utopia or a post-apocalyptic setting was tough for them to understand. Also IIRC the more grounded episodes were mandated by FOX at least initially because they didn’t think people would enjoy the sci fi adventures.
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May 9, 2021 20:20
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Empty Sandwich posted:over "X Gonna Give It to Ya" Yeah, that's the one! That was cute as hell.
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May 9, 2021 22:42
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:Yup. They’ve been deconstructing it since like, season 2. Seasons 3 and 4 feel like a show on its last legs and late seasons getting real weird with it. All I ever really wanted out of it was several seasons like season 1. I feel like a lot of that is just Dan Harmon imploding, and trying to have control over its demise, by making 'deconstructing why the show is bad' the premise of the show itself, because he's so afraid of failure. /edit: I mean I don't know the guy very well, but that's just a vibe I get from him. I think he's cool.
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May 9, 2021 22:59
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I think you'll find all of Rick and Morty is amazing. Say what you want about that show, but they clearly put a ton of work and passion into it. Unlike say The loving Simpsons
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May 9, 2021 23:41
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I mean yes sure Dan Harmon is imploding by taking control over the demise of his insanely popular show that's guaranteed another 3 seasons
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May 9, 2021 23:42
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Oh my god, ew.. something must have broke me, because I was able to watch this entire clip. that was funny "enough", i would probably watch the entire episode what the gently caress
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May 9, 2021 23:44
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Alan_Shore posted:I think you'll find all of Rick and Morty is amazing. Say what you want about that show, but they clearly put a ton of work and passion into it. Unlike say The loving Simpsons I'm afraid I'm a total hipster on Rick & Morty because I loved it the first couple of seasons when I had to tell everyone I knew about how good it was and it felt like it was underappreciated. Then suddenly overnight it felt like there was the Szechuan sauce thing and it went full 'Nightmare Before Christmas' Funko Pop level merchandising overload and "Pickle Rick" and suddenly I was embarrassed to even admit I ever watched it. But yeah, if I have to watch one more episode about Rick being a lovely dad or Jerry and Beth's marriage. 
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May 10, 2021 00:39
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Maguro posted:something must have broke me, because I was able to watch this entire clip. There was one good joke imo, the vote next time one. Buried among the kerbillion other poo poo attempts. They do like firing out zingers after zingers every few seconds, no lead up or letting a joke land for a few seconds after.
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May 10, 2021 00:43
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Also I feel like that "As safety inspector, he didn't exactly set the world on fire" joke could have been very solid if they'd spent like, five more minutes fine-tuning it
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May 10, 2021 00:45
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One thing I always found incredibly obnoxious about Rick & Morty is just how much Rick addresses Morty by his name. Non-stop “Morty, we gotta Morty outta here, Morty. Morty, listen, Morty, we’re going, Morty, okay, Morty?” Also, the constant belching in between words. I think they tamed that in the later seasons, though.
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May 10, 2021 00:55
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You Are A Elf posted:There is always worse. Much, much worse. Below the bottom of the barrel worse. I, too, watched every episode of Allen Gregory, and compared to the boil episode of Futurama...I guess at least it wasn't memorable? It was extremely horrible and so were the ideas surrounding it, but I can't remember one specific episode that really horrified me. The premises of a seven-year old acting lasciviously toward his elderly principal and someone leading a gay-for-pay lifestyle were horrifying, but still. Plus, there was the added benefit of no expectations since Allen Gregory was brand new & terrible from the very beginning, which might also be why none of the episodes stood out to me as particularly terrible. Futurama had a legacy of awesomeness (and then recent, not as pronounced mediocrity), and then the boil episode. quote:Allen Gregory is a cancer upon humanity. Compared to Allen Gregory, “Attack of the Killer App” is a masterpiece of the arts. This is probably truer than I know, because I absolutely refuse to rewatch Allen Gregory or Attack of the Killer App to confirm. quote:And now I just reminded y’all that Allen Gregory existed I never forgot, my friend. I never forgot. 
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sean and hayes of hollywood handbook met in the writers' room of allen gregory, so even it has had at least something good happen in its wake. late season simpsons we can make no such claim for
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In honor of Mother's Day, let's brainstorm all the ways modern Simpsons would gently caress up this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIAQGpiaSDw
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May 10, 2021 05:00
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It would take place in 1990 Teenage Homer, Eddie the cop, Gil and uhhh Comic Book Guy's dad (guest star Post Malone) in a black metal band
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Bedazzled train pulls up into the station thumping with hip beats “Mom you never told me you knew Lady Gaga!”
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:In honor of Mother's Day, let's brainstorm all the ways modern Simpsons would gently caress up this scene: they already did by making sequels to it
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May 10, 2021 05:18
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Alan_Shore posted:I mean yes sure Dan Harmon is imploding by taking control over the demise of his insanely popular show that's guaranteed another 3 seasons Like the whole show is basically Justin Roland and Dan Harmon's meltdowns sorta balancing out.
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May 10, 2021 11:35
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Like the whole show is basically Justin Roland and Dan Harmon's meltdowns sorta balancing out. I haven't been able to watch Rick and Morty since a goon (I think ITT even?) brought up allegations against Roiland being really creepy with an underage fan. I know Harmon had some skeletons but they've been addressed and the affected parties have spoken about forgiveness but AFAIK nothing's been addressed with Roiland. I considered myself a fan of Justin Roiland too, I liked him back when he was doing non-speaking roles on The Sarah Silverman Program.
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May 10, 2021 14:36
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This is purely prejudice but something just puts me off R&M to the point where I have no desire to watch it. I think it's that the worst people I know all seem to be really into it, it just makes me side-eye it like it's some kind of backdoor mind poison thing like we didn't realize South Park was until it was too late
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May 10, 2021 14:43
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You should have the courage of your convictions to be able to watch a cartoon without thinking its going to turn you into a reddit guy. The first season is actually pretty good and mostly avoids the depressed science guy wank stuff anyway, you can just watch that and pretend it was another cult hit cancelled before its time
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May 10, 2021 14:55
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multijoe posted:You should have the courage of your convictions to be able to watch a cartoon without thinking its going to turn you into a reddit guy. The first season is actually pretty good and mostly avoids the depressed science guy wank stuff anyway, you can just watch that and pretend it was another cult hit cancelled before its time Yep . Personally, I think the first two seasons are pretty solid and then it disappears completely into its own hole. The fandom is awful, but so is the fandom for anything nerdy since forever, just don't go to any cons or read anything online and you're good
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May 10, 2021 15:27
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Rick & Morty seems like a good show, but not to the point that I'm curious about it. The "I'm pickle Rick" phase didn't help.
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I watch the silly pickle cartoon fully realizing it’s not real and it’s not a guide to life, but I grant that is a lot to ask of audiences these days
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May 10, 2021 16:16
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I judge all my TV shows with a quadrant system with axes that run from tankie to fash and from cringe to cool, and I only watch shows that fall right in that sweet spot. Any other media consumption is immoral and those fans don't just have bad taste, they are bad people.
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PostNouveau posted:I judge all my TV shows with a quadrant system with axes that run from tankie to fash and from cringe to cool, and I only watch shows that fall right in that sweet spot. Any other media consumption is immoral and those fans don't just have bad taste, they are bad people. What's in the extreme of the fash/cringe quadrant? Bronies?
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Failed Imagineer posted:What's in the extreme of the fash/cringe quadrant? Bronies? "Gutfeld!"
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The Susan Boyle episode was the one with the barfing goat, right?
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:The Susan Boyle episode was the one with the barfing goat, right? I believe so. If I recall correctly, Fry got barfed on and Leela hugged him, adding to my chagrin about the whole situation.
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Last Chance posted:I watch the silly pickle cartoon fully realizing it’s not real and it’s not a guide to life, but I grant that is a lot to ask of audiences these days
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I like Rick and Morty (don't care about the fandom or the culture or any of that shite), including some of the later episodes that are currently on UK Netflix, but it's very hit or miss for me. Some episodes are funny and legitimately clever, others are just meandering and a complete waste of time. I would at least say this places it above The Simpsons in that whenever I try to watch anything from around season 11/12 onwards I just get miserable. Classic Simpsons is my favourite show of all time though. Going back to The Cartridge Family, it's a good episode that was not initially aired on TV in the UK because Sky got cold feet about the subject matter. I feel like their justification was that Dunblane was still fresh in everyone's memories, though I've read some theories that they were also uneasy about the episode showing a football riot too, since this is arguably a more frequent subject in the UK. It was later aired on BBC (and I think Channel 4) without incident, but it was still weird seeing it on video when it hadn't been on TV yet, much like seeing the "chip shop blowing up on St Patrick's Day" joke in the prohibition episode since that's almost always edited out of the TV version. The video The Cartridge Family was on was called "Too Hot for TV" and also included Treehouse of Horror IX, Natural Born Kissers and Grampa vs Sexual Inadequacy. I can understand the latter two being included as they have strong sexual themes, though I don't recall there being any issues with them airing at the time; Sexual Inadequacy in particular had already aired multiple times on BBC. I've always been confused by the Halloween episode inclusion though, was it just considered to be more violent than anything else on the show at the time? It was certainly around that time where The Simpsons started getting more violent in general, which has always been a big turnoff for me, even if I quite enjoy some of the violent bits in say, Rick and Morty.
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I originally only saw rick and morty on a rerun one night, and it was just some Freddy Kruger parody where he just said bitch constantly. Like, every sentence. And I get it. I've seen the movies. But I thought it was crazy that anyone would think that joke could carry an episode. And then some months later the fandom really started forcing itself on everything. "You have to be intelligent enough to get think it's funny" is probably one of the most "I'm braindead and in the lowest common denominator of trash t.v. consumption pigs" thing I have ever heard a fandom say about itself. Even Family Guy weirdos aren't like that. If it was ironic, sure. It wouldn't be funny. But I could at least get the joke they're pulling with people that don't like the show. But they are so serious about thinking it makes them better people. But if watching burpy guy shout stupid phrases and shoot his plot solver holes makes them feel less dead inside, good for them, I guess.
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I have only ever seen the second half of the episode where Bart is held hostage in France and I tire of smirking gen Xers declaring things to be (I hesitate even to give this non-word credence by typing it here) "cromulent"
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I like R&M, but I'm not going to fault anyone who was turned off by the fandom so much that they avoid it. There's a point where it becomes so toxic that you have to question, "What about this is attracting those people?" and it's 100% valid to not want to expose yourself to that sort of poo poo. Like say, the sort of people who participate in Civil War re-enactments. The Civil War is a valid point of interest if you're a military/medical/human rights/democratic history buff, but you'd also be correct in thinking re-enactments are attracting a certain subsection of that group. Not all! But enough to avoid it. I'm interested enough in forensics that my other career choice was forensic neurology, but holy loving hell, I do NOT participate in the true crime community. I loving hate murder porn and serial killer fangirls and do not want to expose myself lest I become a seething rage pot.
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I dug a labyrinth under my house and blocked it off with a hatch from a decommissioned fallout shelter. It is only there, deep below the earth, that I can safely enjoy Rick & Morty and not live in abject terror that a random passerby might see me watching it and think I'm one of those fans.
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Das Boo posted:Like say, the sort of people who participate in Civil War re-enactments. Yeah I briefly got really into the history of the Civil War and when I looked at reenactment groups in my area there were vastly more confederate reenactors. That was enough to completely sour the idea of reenacting to me, thank god.
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