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Control Volume posted:No one ever talks about why the concept of eating unfertilized eggs is ethically abhorrent, even though it would be really interesting and probably funny to watch What are you talking about, egg eating is a super common debate topic re: veganism and diets. It's part of the whole reason we even bother differentiating between veganism and (lacto/ovo) vegetarianism lol
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just popping in to say that climate change as a reason to be a vegan is dumb poo poo and no choice you make w/r/t your diet will have even the slightest impact on the impeding climate disaster anyway give me a large dave's double with extra bacon and a diet coke please
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May 11, 2021 00:06
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still dont get what being vegan has to do with being a leftist
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:still dont get what being vegan has to do with being a leftist sounds good, please keep us updated
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:still don’t get what being vegan has to do with being a leftist Promoting ethical consumption and sustainability as a political platform seems like it has a lot do with leftism. emancipation of all life and the generations thereafter. And as a personal choice, it's important to be a good role model because otherwise noone will take you seriously. But maybe youre one of the folks that think Joe Biden is a feminist because he says he is, even though hes also a rapist. Like, how do you define leftism if you don't think any of that can be a part of a radical movement?
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May 11, 2021 00:38
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Mayor Dave posted:My brother worked on a dairy farm for a while and he says that the mothers would chase the truck when they loaded the newborns up It's incredibly sad, calves are often ripped away from the mothers after birth. In some videos you'll see them mouthing on the metal trying to find a way to get milk from their mothers. The slaughterhouse industry also has an extremely high rate of PTSD and are often staffed with very abused migrant labor.
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Oolb posted:I'm VEGAN! AND! I agree with the OP. Imagine telling this to any aboriginal person. Their entire physiology is being destroyed by the extremes of the westernised food system. Like 1/3 of aboriginal people end up on dialysis. Its genocide by any other name. Its happened many times before. Just lammo at vegans.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:still dont get what being vegan has to do with being a leftist quite shocking that dietary changes are the only lifestyle changes that some goons are willing to make in order to be True Leftists
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Kindest Forums User posted:Promoting ethical consumption and sustainability as a political platform seems like it has a lot do with leftism. emancipation of all life and the generations thereafter. And as a personal choice, it's important to be a good role model because otherwise noone will take you seriously. But maybe youre one of the folks that think Joe Biden is a feminist because he says he is, even though hes also a rapist. any definition of leftism that distinguishes itself from liberalism seems to me like it's gotta be directly concerned with the relationship of the worker to the means of production. I can see how that intersects with sustainability and environmental impact but not as to my personal, individual decision to eat a few chicken wings every so often. The being a role model thing sounds like pretty thin gruel when you could just as easily make the arguments like eg. veganism alienates you from groups or communities you're trying to radicalize if they themselves aren't already vegan or whatever. I mean good for you if you're vegan, it definitely seems like a good thing to do, but trying to tie any of this in to "being a good leftist" is weirdo moralizing lifestylism, sorry e: 4 got 2 quote Pentecoastal Elites has issued a correction as of 00:52 on May 11, 2021 |
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May 11, 2021 00:47
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You could do like monks do and not eat animals killed specifically for you but eat meat in situations where it's provided as part of a meal
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Muscle Wizard posted:quite shocking that dietary changes are the only lifestyle changes that some goons are willing to make in order to be True Leftists organizing your workplace: difficult, probably doomed to failure, the guys in the warehouse make fun of me constantly becoming a vegan: untold heights of moral purity, oreos are still ok
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Oolb posted:I'm VEGAN! AND! I agree with the OP. 
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May 11, 2021 00:57
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The Swedish are worse I think
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:still dont get what being vegan has to do with being a leftist Well, leftist is a vague term that can mean anything. So everything and nothing, I reckon.
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Homeless Friend posted:Well, leftist is a vague term that can mean anything. So everything and nothing, I reckon. pretty much, if it can include socdems, lgbtq zionists, and racist anarchists, then its entirely useless except to identify yourself as being a better person than THOSE liberals
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:The Swedish are worse I think they ahve good fish tho
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:any definition of leftism that distinguishes itself from liberalism seems to me like it's gotta be directly concerned with the relationship of the worker to the means of production. I can see how that intersects with sustainability and environmental impact but not as to my personal, individual decision to eat a few chicken wings every so often. The being a role model thing sounds like pretty thin gruel when you could just as easily make the arguments like eg. veganism alienates you from groups or communities you're trying to radicalize if they themselves aren't already vegan or whatever. The animals are workers.
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May 11, 2021 01:21
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leftism is eating meat to own the vegans, and also being extremely mad at them while you eat the meat
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Clarence rules but also he is openly on gear so idk if this is the tmurp card you think it is
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Control Volume posted:This isnt an ethical argument for veganism though, its an argument for good chicken living conditions. And veganism may be a lifestyle that doesnt support factory farming but it also isnt the only one, nor would it be particularly distinct from a vegetarian whos conscious of their sources. Yeah, that's true. I should've been clearer that I was speaking from experience with vegan and vegetarian friends, and their way of deciding what was okay for them. I think the strict vegan line is that any taking of eggs is exploitation because the eggs are made specifically for the hen's reproduction, not for human sustenance and profit. Like, Even if it is your own chicken, the fact it makes eggs doesn't mean those eggs are yours. The same logic goes for dairy. Or something like that.
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HORROR OF GEESE posted:Yeah, that's true. I should've been clearer that I was speaking from experience with vegan and vegetarian friends, and their way of deciding what was okay for them. I think the strict vegan line is that any taking of eggs is exploitation because the eggs are made specifically for the hen's reproduction, not for human sustenance and profit. Like, Even if it is your own chicken, the fact it makes eggs doesn't mean those eggs are yours. The same logic goes for dairy. Or something like that. domestic hens lay an egg almost every day so the hypothetical of a someone keeping one but not eating the eggs on vegan principle is a really weird one
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Oolb posted:The animals are workers. thank you for reminding me of this amazing derail in the spectre thread lol
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Oolb posted:The animals are workers. actually I think they're animals I mean I know what you're getting at but even if I agree with you it's totally non-actionable. I can't go down to the farm and organize amongst the cows. Something like the abolition of meat farming -- which might very well be the right thing to do -- would only be possible after global communism is realized. If everything goes perfectly and I get supremely, outrageously lucky I'm only going to live another 40 or 50 years so I probably should stick to organizing amongst the only other creatures I can meaningfully communicate with and not get too bent out of shape if I throw some brats on the grill
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its stupid to tell someone theyre a bad leftist for eating meat. like not even removed from ah but you typed this on an iphone while wearing shoes type gotchas where the only true leftism is going into ascetic hermitage. your individual choice means nothing as long as the machine is still going, neither does that of your friends who eat meat, dont be a scold thats just obnoxious That said. the meat industry is loving ghoulish and its harming the planet. non-human animals also deserve to live with dignity and not be cruelly exploited by us. i can see how someone could connect those points with their personal left politics and i think deciding that you dont want to eat animal products because youre squeamish about your role in their suffering is perfectly reasonable. as is encouraging and helping people to try moving away from a meat-based diet because of your convictions. just like dont be a bitch about it lol
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non-human animals deserve to be cooked in as delicious a manner as possible, thus i also dont support mcdonalds
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:any definition of leftism that distinguishes itself from liberalism seems to me like it's gotta be directly concerned with the relationship of the worker to the means of production. I have a hazy sense of there being an angle here but I can't quite pin it down. Like, this line -- quote:the relationship of the worker to the means of production. Groundwater contamination, unsafe working conditions, etc. One way to describe the problem would be the narcissistic entitlement of those above to the death and suffering of those below. Seems like one could make a lateral shift from humans-harvesting-humans to humans-harvesting-animals. Suffering's a common denominator. It's like a natural reservoir to some disease. Something like that. I don't know. I can't quite pin down the idea.
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Entering a movement or community, immediately staking out the most extreme possible position and demanding purity on this become a central and guiding moral tenant of said movement or community is like fed poo poo 101 lol Like good for you but the anti-meat movement cant even get people to adopt vegetarianism, take some baby steps maybe lol, too often it's like listening to libs talking about gun control
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May 11, 2021 02:19
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I'M VEGAN perhaps op was being a bit extreme to rile people up just a thought
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can you even call yourself extreme if you haven't burnt down a cattle ranch? smh posers itt
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Kindest Forums User posted:Promoting ethical consumption and sustainability as a political platform seems like it has a lot do with leftism. emancipation of all life and the generations thereafter. And as a personal choice, it's important to be a good role model because otherwise noone will take you seriously. But maybe youre one of the folks that think Joe Biden is a feminist because he says he is, even though hes also a rapist. pretty sure its only about emancipation of human life, op
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Animal rights orgs becoming totally toothless and liberalized is right up there with anarchists going from bomb throwing to spending all day on social media calling each other colonizers, throw some bombs or gtfo with these declarations of being the one correct ideology
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Epic High Five posted:Animal rights orgs becoming totally toothless and liberalized is right up there with anarchists going from bomb throwing to spending all day on social media calling each other colonizers, throw some bombs or gtfo with these declarations of being the one correct ideology Or at least go back to making parody flash games everything is reduced to loving twitter slapfights these days it's all so pointless
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Epic High Five posted:Animal rights orgs becoming totally toothless and liberalized is right up there with anarchists going from bomb throwing to spending all day on social media calling each other colonizers, throw some bombs or gtfo with these declarations of being the one correct ideology Maybe they should denounce instead of accepting funding and being coopted by the corporate food industry if they had any interest in generating popular support. Once again anarchists fundamentally misunderstand politics but whats new.
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misadventurous posted:its stupid to tell someone theyre a bad leftist for eating meat. like not even removed from ah but you typed this on an iphone while wearing shoes type gotchas where the only true leftism is going into ascetic hermitage. your individual choice means nothing as long as the machine is still going, neither does that of your friends who eat meat, dont be a scold thats just obnoxious i don't necessarily think that you're wrong in that the planet is still going to burn down no matter what we eat, but meat is different from cell phones or shoes or oil industry entanglement, i think, because your choice as a consumer to eat/don't eat meat does not involve any other social control mechanisms; we're compelled by societal standards to be connected to the internet and dressed to a certain standard for certain activities and to transport ourselves from place to place, and you have to put a lot of effort into arranging alternatives for yourself if u think it's important all you need to do to stop eating meat is go to different refrigerator cases next time at the grocery store; no one will object or even notice and idk i kind of doubt that CAFO operations would be able to pull off the oil industry trick of worming their way into every industry's product chain to guarantee a market if a serious vegetarianism movement started but capitalism is endlessly stupid so who knows, we have the thing where rather than being decommissioned 'surplus' coal plants 'replaced' by renewables just shrug and plug in to bitcoin miners, maybe it would have a newer, better use for beef even if we did all go vegan fwiw i think we're hosed on this question b/c it's been realized by capital since the 70s shortages that meat love is hardcoded into our culture apparently more deeply than any other basic human need and as long as the meat keeps flowing nothing else matters. health care? housing stability? job security? retirement? whatever. burgs babyy; the last remnant of the us military in the post apocalypse will spend their time guarding the feedlots of beef-hoarding warlords wearing brooks brothers ps baw and antipope deserve each other and should be restricted to only posting in this thread until one or the other can finally prevail HookedOnChthonics has issued a correction as of 03:13 on May 11, 2021 |
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"we can change the system by co-opting the mechanisms of the system"
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Oolb posted:I'm VEGAN! AND! I agree with the OP. so low socially its insane
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The #2 most stupid strategic blunder the anti-meat movement makes all the time is telling people to eat tofu but not telling them they need to press it for it to be pleasant at all
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