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https://www.woodtv.com/news/ottawa-county/w-mi-invention-could-eliminate-bottle-return-trips/ Do you hate those homeless people stealing your valuable soda cans before garbage day? Do you hate the indignity of dragging yourself to the recycling center to claim the deposit yourself? Well now you can have it both ways! Imagine leasing your own can recycling machine! For five dollars a month, you can crunch cans for
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May 11, 2021 15:35
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So Math posted:https://www.woodtv.com/news/ottawa-county/w-mi-invention-could-eliminate-bottle-return-trips/ won't a guy in a pickup truck just steal the aluminum cubes and drive them to the recycling place? aluminum is worth money you dont need a special machine to get people to recycle it
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May 11, 2021 15:44
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aluminum is like .60 at recyclers right now they would break into your garage for it.
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May 11, 2021 15:55
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Rutibex posted:won't a guy in a pickup truck just steal the aluminum cubes and drive them to the recycling place? aluminum is worth money you dont need a special machine to get people to recycle it do other cities not have a recycling program? we have a separate can for that kind of stuff and the city picks it up and takes it to a recycling plant for you
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May 11, 2021 16:50
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The Nastier Nate posted:do other cities not have a recycling program? we have a separate can for that kind of stuff and the city picks it up and takes it to a recycling plant for you nope here all we have is a generic "blue box" where everything gets throw in. on recycling day a guy with a pickup truck (not from the city  ) drives around and picks up any metal and presumably sells it for scrap money
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May 11, 2021 16:58
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Also this is in Canada, so the laws are different, but I'm pretty sure US law has stated, more or less: "If you put it in the trash or recycling and out on the curb to be picked up, you are de-facto no longer the owner for the purpose of claiming theft and if some random person wants your cans, you can't stop them."
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May 11, 2021 17:12
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George RR Fartin posted:Also this is in Canada, so the laws are different, but I'm pretty sure US law has stated, more or less: "If you put it in the trash or recycling and out on the curb to be picked up, you are de-facto no longer the owner for the purpose of claiming theft and if some random person wants your cans, you can't stop them." Here in Victoria, BC they want us to narc on anyone 'stealing' from the recycling bin, because those cans belong to the city once they are on the curb. The valuable recyclables subsides the cost of recycling the worthless recyclables, so if the valuables are stolen then the cost of the program increases and YOUR TAXES will go up. 
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May 11, 2021 17:20
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The Nastier Nate posted:do other cities not have a recycling program? we have a separate can for that kind of stuff and the city picks it up and takes it to a recycling plant for you I mean yes, but actually no. Recycling is a failed concept and is actually making things worse. "Recycling" just meant we shipped our recyclables to China or some other poor country, and it became their problem. Now almost no other countries will take on another's recyclables, so poo poo just piles up at recycling centers until they're usually forced to just put it in the trash anyway. But people just keep putting more and more in the recycling bin because they think they're doing good. Wasteful consumerism actually went up when recycling became a major thing, as people thought waste didn't much matter anymore, because they could just "recycle".
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May 11, 2021 17:28
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:I mean yes, but actually no. We basically need to ban single-use fossil-fuel-based plastics. But good luck with that.
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May 11, 2021 17:33
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Thanatosian posted:We basically need to ban single-use fossil-fuel-based plastics. But good luck with that. or just regulate and make items actually recyclable or compostable instead of bullshit where you’re supposed to cut the plastic spigot out of the oj container or “compostable” meaning you can compost it in Berkeley, LA, and NYC but everywhere else it’s just land filled because they don’t have the right composting machine
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May 11, 2021 17:39
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industrial baled cardboard is the only material that is actually recycled in most of the country. everything else is a lie.
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May 11, 2021 17:49
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more falafel please posted:industrial baled cardboard is the only material that is actually recycled in most of the country. everything else is a lie. aluminum cans are the most recycled item
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May 11, 2021 17:51
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more falafel please posted:industrial baled cardboard is the only material that is actually recycled in most of the country. everything else is a lie. I used to be a shithead libertarian (now I'm just a shithead) and I remember in college getting into a big fight with my friends who were adamant recyclers after I told them it just gets put in the landfill and it's totally a performative task. it was like literally the only time one of my dumb hardline contrarian stances actually held up to scrutiny.
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May 11, 2021 17:52
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more falafel please posted:industrial baled cardboard is the only material that is actually recycled in most of the country. everything else is a lie. i work at an electronics assembler and at one point after the China stopped accepting recyclables from abroad the only thing the local recycler was accepting from us was aluminum soda cans. they wouldn’t take the cardboard or any of the packaging anymore. basically went from some massive percent of waste recycled to zero overnight
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May 11, 2021 17:54
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stellers bae posted:aluminum cans are the most recycled item p sure I read that even cans are being rejected now but I'm not about to go digging for it
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May 11, 2021 17:54
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more falafel please posted:industrial baled cardboard is the only material that is actually recycled in most of the country. everything else is a lie. stellers bae posted:aluminum cans are the most recycled item I recycle these 2 things vigorously. I still put plastic in the recycling bin as a habit but I know It’s a lie. The city actually makes a fair amount of money collecting paper and cardboard and selling it to whatever the gently caress the recycled cardboard companies do with it. They must be rolling in cardboard because of the like 500% jump in Amazon boxes from Covid
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May 11, 2021 17:59
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Waste-to-energy plants are the future. Recycle the valuable poo poo. Everything else become fuel. Landfills take longer to fill up because the waste is compacted. Every large city can have their own waste-to-energy generator so we don't waste valuable irreplaceable fuel shipping garbage long distances. Yeah, there is a little air pollution associated with even the best waste-to-energy plants. But as long as any part of our electrical grid is based on burning hydrocarbons burning waste isn't making things worse. Replacing a tiny amount of coal/oil/gas plants with garbage plants is neutral at worst.
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May 11, 2021 18:02
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Facebook Aunt posted:Waste-to-energy plants are the future. Recycle the valuable poo poo. Everything else become fuel. Landfills take longer to fill up because the waste is compacted. Every large city can have their own waste-to-energy generator so we don't waste valuable irreplaceable fuel shipping garbage long distances. In sim city the waste to energy plant was always the biggest polluter Turns out burning old clothes and diapers is bad for the environment too
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May 11, 2021 18:04
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Facebook Aunt posted:Waste-to-energy plants are the future. Recycle the valuable poo poo. Everything else become fuel. Landfills take longer to fill up because the waste is compacted. Every large city can have their own waste-to-energy generator so we don't waste valuable irreplaceable fuel shipping garbage long distances. No just bury everything that can't be recycled, we have infinite land in the US. Nuclear for the energy.
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May 11, 2021 18:05
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The Nastier Nate posted:In sim city the waste to energy plant was always the biggest polluter Yes, all waste is bad.
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May 11, 2021 18:05
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stellers bae posted:No just bury everything that can't be recycled, we have infinite land in the US. Nuclear for the energy. I kinda like that idea too. If the future wants those resources back they can mine the ancient garbage dumps. It's all anaerobic, very little rot under the surface. You can find decades old newspapers in near mint condition down there. There isn't infinite land close to large population centers though. Garbage shouldn't have to commute hours away on surface streets.
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May 11, 2021 18:10
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The Nastier Nate posted:In sim city the waste to energy plant was always the biggest polluter https://youtu.be/NIMcStAwJ7Y
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May 11, 2021 18:13
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George RR Fartin posted:Also this is in Canada, so the laws are different, but I'm pretty sure US law has stated, more or less: "If you put it in the trash or recycling and out on the curb to be picked up, you are de-facto no longer the owner for the purpose of claiming theft and if some random person wants your cans, you can't stop them." Based on my expertise of watching Better Call Saul I think whether or not you bother to lock the bins has something to do with it.
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May 11, 2021 18:16
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Facebook Aunt posted:I kinda like that idea too. If the future wants those resources back they can mine the ancient garbage dumps. It's all anaerobic, very little rot under the surface. You can find decades old newspapers in near mint condition down there. we used to ship this poo poo to fuckin' china, there is plenty of land out there within a few hours of the city. and it can be collected at transfer stations in the meantime
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May 11, 2021 18:18
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Cardboard is just asking to be composted, don't give it away
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May 11, 2021 18:23
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stellers bae posted:No just bury everything that can't be recycled, we have infinite land in the US. Nuclear for the energy.  future archaeologists thank you
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May 11, 2021 18:48
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Rutibex posted:
bold of you to assume the cockroach civilization will care about archaeology
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May 11, 2021 18:50
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Ehh it's slightly more complicated than that. At a minimum there are very significant differences between different materials. Lead gets recycled at very high rates, paper and paper products have been over 60% since 2010, while plastics languish under 10%. Composting, aka recycling with microorganisms, means that recycling on biological components is also pretty high. Here's the EPA overview: https://www.epa.gov/facts-and-figures-about-materials-waste-and-recycling/national-overview-facts-and-figures-materials e: Not in that factsheet but it was what I was initially looking for - rarer metals tend to get really good recycling rates because it is much easier for everyone if you recover your palladium or hafnium than trying to find more of it.
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May 11, 2021 18:54
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Why would they refuse to recycle aluminum cans, the energy use difference between remelting scrap aluminum and making it from scratch is absolutely staggering
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May 11, 2021 18:56
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As long as it's a modern supercritical incinerator and not just pouring gasoline on top of a pile and tossing a match, burning garbage is probably the safest and least polluting way to get rid of it. Burying the dirty diapers in a landfill doesn't make them go away it makes them degrade and leech into the groundwater and soil, a supercritical incinerator converts them to CO2 and some inert ash. A tiny increase in greenhouse emissions (that's probably breaking roughly even with the same amount of power capacity from other traditional sources) is by far the lesser evil compared to all the plastic going into the drinking water. We're never gonna do it obviously, that would require planning ahead and making some serious modern capital investments in the public good, but in a hypothetical vacuum we should.
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May 11, 2021 19:07
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There was an Adam Ruins Everything episode that covered recycling, and we already had a pretty good thing going with glass bottle recycling, but for whatever stupid goddamned reason, plastic took over for bottles and such (and yes I know that reason is $$$$). Glass recycling is basically perfect. Do not ruin this with further facts if I am wrong, TIA
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May 11, 2021 19:07
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George RR Fartin posted:There was an Adam Ruins Everything episode that covered recycling, and we already had a pretty good thing going with glass bottle recycling, but for whatever stupid goddamned reason, plastic took over for bottles and such (and yes I know that reason is $$$$). Glass recycling is basically perfect. we still use this system for beer bottles. the government could reduce plastic waste a huge amount by making glass soda bottles mandatory. it would also be retro and cool
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May 11, 2021 19:15
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Rutibex posted:we still use this system for beer bottles. the government could reduce plastic waste a huge amount by making glass soda bottles mandatory. it would also be retro and cool “ A 500mL glass bottle weighs about 400g, but a comparable 500mL PET bottle weighs about 10g. While that might add up to a little annoyance for the consumer, that 40 to 1 weight ratio is a very big problem for manufacturers and distributors” It might be a good idea to calculate the additional fuel expenditure for increased weight and more packaging to account for breakage, idk. The CO2 impact might not be so favorable (other damages caused by plastic notwithstanding)
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May 11, 2021 19:19
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mawarannahr posted:“ A 500mL glass bottle weighs about 400g, but a comparable 500mL PET bottle weighs about 10g. While that might add up to a little annoyance for the consumer, that 40 to 1 weight ratio is a very big problem for manufacturers and distributors” glass bottles delivered by electric streetcars powered by ATOMS
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May 11, 2021 19:22
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George RR Fartin posted:There was an Adam Ruins Everything episode that covered recycling, and we already had a pretty good thing going with glass bottle recycling, but for whatever stupid goddamned reason, plastic took over for bottles and such (and yes I know that reason is $$$$). Glass recycling is basically perfect. It's not wrong, but there are problems with glass recycling. Glass is infinitely recyclable, which is good. When you mix clear, brown, green, blue, etc. glass all together the result is murky glass with unreliable physical characteristics. It isn't desirable for glass bottles, especially since fresh glass is so cheap and easy to make. It can be spun into fiberglass and whatnot, but it is not in demand for new glass bottles or jars. If your local recycling program dumps everything into one bin then you get broken shards of glass contaminating the paper, plastic and metal. There was a local company that makes artificial lumber from recycled plastic complaining in the newspaper that the plastic they received was often contaminated with glass shards which was a hazard to their workers and potentially their customers. Nobody wants a park bench made from plastic 2*4s that might have shards of glass poking out of it. OTOH if your local recycling program has different bins for each thing compliance becomes a problem because people don't want to deal with their house looking like a waste transfer station with 6 different types of garbage can. Homeowners can be threatened with fines if they don't comply, but people in tiny apartments can more easily sneak their recyclables into the trash than set aside space for multiple bins. Everything is terrible.
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May 11, 2021 19:26
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Facebook Aunt posted:Everything is terrible. It broke me when I moved to Kansas to find that where we moved to did not have a recycling program. I feel like more places do not than do in the US.
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May 11, 2021 19:31
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making infrastructure choices that will last for 30+ years need to be based on just comparisons to the status quo but also the future realities we know we must face. we have to end fossil fuel use completely and so we need to consider our infrastructure choices in that light. e.g. it might not be worth building a fancy plastics recycling plant, if the drop in fossil fuel usage plus emissions penalties mean that in the future we want to be making far less disposable plastics. even just delaying some of these investment choices can reap emissions benefits, like the weight concerns with glass bottles created emissions concerns because of fossil fuel usage for transportation. but after fossil fuel usage for transportation is ended it becomes only a cost/energy concern.
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May 11, 2021 19:31
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Facebook Aunt posted:but people in tiny apartments can more easily sneak their recyclables into the trash than set aside space for multiple bins. this is the best perk of apartment life. old broken couch? CRT television? moldy carpet? just toss it in the dumpster! its someone elses problem now
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May 11, 2021 19:41
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