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It's time for Bibi to return to his ancestral homeland of Philidephia.
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human garbage bag posted:It's time for Bibi to return to his ancestral homeland of Philidephia. I did not know he was raised in Philly but lots of things make more sense now.
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May 11, 2021 18:26
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Bibi Bibi Bibi.
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May 11, 2021 18:32
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So much of this world is lovely and depressing, but as someone who was raised Jewish, watching this poo poo happen, coming from "our people" is just utterly loving depressing. I have a hard time even blaming it on a systemic issue like capitalism. Yes, it's obviously systemic, but there's just such a deep-seated hatred at work here.
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May 11, 2021 18:43
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Internet Explorer posted:So much of this world is lovely and depressing, but as someone who was raised Jewish, watching this poo poo happen, coming from "our people" is just utterly loving depressing. I have a hard time even blaming it on a systemic issue like capitalism. Yes, it's obviously systemic, but there's just such a deep-seated hatred at work here. Tell me about it. On the one hand I will hear from people from my folks generation say "If Israel ceased to exist tomorrow all the Jews there will be killed and the world wouldn't care" and then hear from people my in my generation say "Israel is a ethno-Apartheid state that needs to cease to exist at once" and have to figure out how to fix one problem without causing the other. Add to this the idea that I have always had that as Jews we should be better than all this after all we have gone through. It's kind of wild talking to Jews here in Canada and talking to Israelis and how the differences in what each side thinks Israel should/shouldn't be.
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May 11, 2021 18:49
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straight up kristallnacht poo poo jfc
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May 11, 2021 18:57
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Fuligin posted:straight up kristallnacht poo poo jfc Yeah, at this point apparently the lesson from the Holocaust that the Israeli Right took was "Just slow it down over decades and nobody will care"
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May 11, 2021 19:54
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Fuligin posted:straight up kristallnacht poo poo jfc
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May 11, 2021 19:58
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May 11, 2021 20:05
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This is what happens when the right wing has pretty much undisputed control of national politics for a generation
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May 11, 2021 20:11
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FlamingLiberal posted:This is what happens when the right wing has pretty much undisputed control of national politics for a generation 1948-2021 is more than a generation.
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May 11, 2021 20:18
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Powerplant in Ashkelon got hit https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1392195984302690304?s=20
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May 11, 2021 20:19
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This is a war crime, right?
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May 11, 2021 20:25
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human garbage bag posted:This is a war crime, right? Ashkelon is in Israel so do you consider power plants getting hit in Israel a war crime or not?
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May 11, 2021 20:27
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Madkal posted:Ashkelon is in Israel so do you consider power plants getting hit in Israel a war crime or not? Well, folks in Gaza firing things at Israel is technically war-like, and also a crime. But definitely not a "war crime". A nation firing on its own people, however, is.
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May 11, 2021 20:31
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human garbage bag posted:This is a war crime, right? I mean, the settlements are already a war crime without any additional factors, so Israel has been perpetually war criming for like several decades at least. Whether any of this will cross a line where the US won't use a veto to shut up any international condemnation is the real question and frankly it feels like we have our hands too full with domestic issues for Biden to have any interest in poking that hornet's nest
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May 11, 2021 20:37
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CommieGIR posted:Powerplant in Ashkelon got hit Hey man, nice shot
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May 11, 2021 21:12
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AAAAUUUUUGH my settlements! My settlements are smoking ruins! Shlomo you rat! You weren't smokescreening Bibi! You were heating up tensions to give us the ol' spicy Levant! How could you give your own nation the spicy Levant Shlomo!?!?
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May 11, 2021 21:36
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bij posted:AAAAUUUUUGH my settlements! My settlements are smoking ruins! Shlomo you rat! You weren't smokescreening Bibi! You were heating up tensions to give us the ol' spicy Levant! How could you give your own nation the spicy Levant Shlomo!?!? Yikes sweaty. That's are greatest ally you're talking about there.
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May 11, 2021 21:46
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bij posted:AAAAUUUUUGH my settlements! My settlements are smoking ruins! Shlomo you rat! You weren't smokescreening Bibi! You were heating up tensions to give us the ol' spicy Levant! How could you give your own nation the spicy Levant Shlomo!?!?
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May 11, 2021 21:57
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Just watched footage of the stun grenades and flash bangs being hurled about the Al Asqa mosque and it looked like the perfect mashup for what when down at the White House and across the street at that church. America standing with Israel took on new meaning.
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May 11, 2021 22:01
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As far as I know, and wiki backs it up, but Ashkelon was never considered a settlement (ie an illegal settlement that came about post 1967).
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May 11, 2021 22:03
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Miftan posted:1948-2021 is more than a generation. Israel politics were actually quite left wing from 1948-1977
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May 11, 2021 22:15
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Madkal posted:As far as I know, and wiki backs it up, but Ashkelon was never considered a settlement (ie an illegal settlement that came about post 1967). My response, at least, was assuming that the "this is a war crime" bit was more about police presence supporting the settlers and the repeated air strikes of civilian areas, the power plant getting hit is kind of irrelevant in the big scheme of things because the accuracy of the rockets from Gaza is questionable at best, unless something changed since the last time rockets were being fired aimlessly in protest Edit: Basically, someone will surely go "I meant to do that!" and claim credit, but basically every time this situation occurs, the Palestinian side fires a bunch of poo poo that doesn't do anything and then the IDF goes in and kills a bunch of civilians in retaliation, so it's hard to believe that THIS time they suddenly have more effective munitions and the capacity to do anything beyond flail Like, assuming for a second that wikipedia is an adequate source here for at least the order of magnitude of the numbers: "from 2004 to 2014 these attacks have killed 27 Israeli civilians, 5 foreign nationals, 5 IDF soliders, and at least 11 Palestinians" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel And then in retaliation: 2008-9: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War_(2008%E2%80%932009) "between 1166 and 1417 Palestinian deaths and 13 Israeli deaths (4 from friendly fire)" 2012: "174 Palestinians were killed" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Israeli_operation_in_the_Gaza_Strip 2014: "Between 2125 and 2310 Gazans were killed" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 22:31 on May 11, 2021 |
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May 11, 2021 22:16
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https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1392211579689635851 https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1392197029355470848 Accurate wording in that last sentence.
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May 11, 2021 22:22
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Chuka Umana posted:Israel politics were actually quite left wing from 1948-1977 Same in the 90's but then someone decided to become an assassin instead of a politician. Still would have been interesting to see where the world would have gone if Rabin wasn't killed.
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May 11, 2021 22:27
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Chuka Umana posted:Israel politics were actually quite left wing from 1948-1977 For whom?
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May 11, 2021 22:30
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The "left wing" zionists were the stupidest most useless sad sacks that ever existed. Oh yeah were gonna be a socialist paradise but base our society on a brutal ethnostate, that most lefty of concepts. This won't inevitably descend into reactionary naked fascism that lays waste to our "leftwing politics" in a generation no siree.
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May 11, 2021 22:37
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Colonising, leftishly
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May 11, 2021 22:43
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CommieGIR posted:For whom? Socialism with uhhh...nationalist characteristics. Yea the Israeli left used leftist aesthetics and ideas but it was obviously only for other Zionists.
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May 11, 2021 22:45
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It's just like literally all social democracy, I don't get it.
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May 11, 2021 22:47
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Twitter suspended the account of a Palestinian journalist, or something. The way they've done what's in the screenshot of this Tweet is unusual. https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/1392230854810738688?s=20
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May 11, 2021 22:56
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Zedhe Khoja posted:The "left wing" zionists were the stupidest most useless sad sacks that ever existed. Oh yeah were gonna be a socialist paradise but base our society on a brutal ethnostate, that most lefty of concepts. This won't inevitably descend into reactionary naked fascism that lays waste to our "leftwing politics" in a generation no siree. I think something way better then the current situation might have been able to be salvaged before the occupation of West Bank/Gaza, but from '67 onwards it was pretty much a clear path to Apartheid South Africa.
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May 11, 2021 23:07
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Homora Gaykemi posted:Colonising, leftishly
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Hmm, a giant ghetto surrounded by troops where the troops daily use stand off weapons to level civilian buildings on the vague premise of rooting out insidious elements. Where have I heard this before. I feel like it was some kind of uprising of some sort. Maybe in Poland? Not sure.
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Madkal posted:Tell me about it. On the one hand I will hear from people from my folks generation say "If Israel ceased to exist tomorrow all the Jews there will be killed and the world wouldn't care" and then hear from people my in my generation say "Israel is a ethno-Apartheid state that needs to cease to exist at once" and have to figure out how to fix one problem without causing the other. Add to this the idea that I have always had that as Jews we should be better than all this after all we have gone through. It's kind of wild talking to Jews here in Canada and talking to Israelis and how the differences in what each side thinks Israel should/shouldn't be.
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May 12, 2021 00:59
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Internet Explorer posted:So much of this world is lovely and depressing, but as someone who was raised Jewish, watching this poo poo happen, coming from "our people" is just utterly loving depressing. I have a hard time even blaming it on a systemic issue like capitalism. Yes, it's obviously systemic, but there's just such a deep-seated hatred at work here. Idk, maybe its a hot take, but I feel like American Jews are only pressed into identifying with Israeli due to the right. IDK if a German-American (like 55% of white people) should have to identify with Germany. It's even stranger when you are talking about Ashkenazis, that "ancestral home" was destroyed. It's gone. A forgotten yiddish street sign in Lviv, a building that was once something, but everyone who knew that has been dead for 80 years. Gone. Being forced to identify with Israel is a form of antisemitism imo
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Vasukhani posted:Idk, maybe its a hot take, but I feel like American Jews are only pressed into identifying with Israeli due to the right. IDK if a German-American (like 55% of white people) should have to identify with Germany. It's even stranger when you are talking about Ashkenazis, that "ancestral home" was destroyed. It's gone. A forgotten yiddish street sign in Lviv, a building that was once something, but everyone who knew that has been dead for 80 years. Gone. Being forced to identify with Israel is a form of antisemitism imo I dunno. For a lot of younger American Jews that I know, talking to their family about Israel is painful. I think a lot of my parent's generation grew up hearing stories of their parents and family fleeing Germany or being killed in the Holocaust. I don't think they are being pushed to support Israel because of the conservatives.
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I feel like it's possible to support Israel as a concept without approving of many of the actions they've taken in the past and are taking now. The options aren't limited to "Israel shouldn't exist, and ought to be eliminated" and "war crimes and expanding settlements are good!"
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