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Toshimo posted:In specific, the rule is that, when you advance a grade, they add 3 steps to your current pay rate and then set your next grade so that it pays at least that much. Usually doesn't come into play unless you are at Step 5 or higher in a grade. Two steps. And they pay no less than that amount. So you usually go to the next step. For example, you're a 13/5 in DC. So you look at 13/7. Since that falls between 14/1 and 14/2, you get 14/2. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/pay-administration/fact-sheets/promotions/
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Betazoid posted:On offer talk, I had no idea that you could negotiate steps to meet your current salary. I got offered the GS 11 step 1 ($72,750), while I was making $81,000 in the private sector. I took the hit to get in the door, and my role is non-competitive to 13 ($103,690). My mother in law told me I could have asked to start as a GS 11 step 4 or 5 to be able to keep my income the same. Yes, you can negotiate using your pay stub if you are employed right now. They can still say no but after you receive TO it doesn't work against if you try to negotiate. When I was offered my GS-14 equivalent position I was unemployed but I still asked for a bonus and got one for $3k with the stipulation that I sign one year commitment. I tried to negotiate the $3k to $6k but they said no. The group lead on the hiring panel who liked me was asking me privately if I had changed my mind about the job. This made me feel like a greedy rear end in a top hat but I'm glad I asked for the sign on bonus and even tried to negotiate it. Later I was told that me asking for more made our Deputy (in charge of all hiring for our org) think I was confident and bold lol. Xelkelvos posted:Got the Tentative Offer for that US Mint job I applied for despite thinking that I bombed it. Only issue is that they're offering the GS-5 and not the GS-7 despite me qualifying via Superior Academic Achievement and the rejection note on the application tracking page saying I didn't meet the "Specialized Experience" part which includes SAA. The usual step is immediately accept the TO (it's tentative anyways) so you signal your interest, and then negotiate. You can walk away at any time, even after FO, if you want.
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Good news, the HR person looked at it and agreed and spoke to the hiring manager and the tentative offer is for GS7. Sent my OF306 out to them as well so here's hoping they follow through on it on the Official Offer. Hopefully, the process doesn't take too long since I'm already in gov't, just in a different org.
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May 7, 2021 19:45
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Congrats. Definitely check the final offer, because it does not always match the tentative. I had it actually work out in my favor once tbf. I was applying to my same job that had been GS-12 and converted to acq demo with a 12/10 control point, essentially to remove the control point and make it a gs-13 equivalent. I had been a step 3, so I was making a good $8000 less than a 13/1. Sure enough, the tentative offer just had my current salary on it. I just shrugged and accepted it, figuring that at least losing the control point was good enough, since acq demo’s nh-3 is 12-13 broadband anyway. Then to my surprise, the final offer was a 13/1 salary, even though I had just accepted the lower tentative offer without even complaining about it. I quietly accepted it and didn’t talk to anyone about it until months later. It was good that I didn’t too, because I found out that it had NOT been the intention to give me a raise, but someone had fudged that number into the final offer somehow, but once I had accepted and the SF-50 was generated, no one was het up enough about it to fight it either.
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May 7, 2021 20:08
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Xelkelvos posted:Good news, the HR person looked at it and agreed and spoke to the hiring manager and the tentative offer is for GS7. Sent my OF306 out to them as well so here's hoping they follow through on it on the Official Offer. Hopefully, the process doesn't take too long since I'm already in gov't, just in a different org. 
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I've read the stories in the thread, so I know I'll need to closely read the Official.
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Howard Phillips posted:Yes, you can negotiate using your pay stub if you are employed right now. They can still say no but after you receive TO it doesn't work against if you try to negotiate. When I was offered my GS-14 equivalent position I was unemployed but I still asked for a bonus and got one for $3k with the stipulation that I sign one year commitment. I tried to negotiate the $3k to $6k but they said no. The group lead on the hiring panel who liked me was asking me privately if I had changed my mind about the job. This made me feel like a greedy rear end in a top hat but I'm glad I asked for the sign on bonus and even tried to negotiate it. Later I was told that me asking for more made our Deputy (in charge of all hiring for our org) think I was confident and bold lol. I accepted and have been in the job for almost 4 months now, so too late for me. On the bright side, just 8 more months and I'll be back up to what I was making before. Just wanted to share in case it was useful info for other goons. 
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Thesaurus posted:I was once bent out of shape when my agency simply forgot to process my grade increase paperwork on time and set my promotion back a few pay periods, because i realized that it would cause me to receive lower pay for a few paychecks every subsequent year by pushing back my step progression. it's water under the bridge now but a frustrating experience They didn’t back date it? I’ve had this happen twice and both times they back dated and paid out the difference.
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May 8, 2021 02:10
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Xelkelvos posted:I've read the stories in the thread, so I know I'll need to closely read the Official. Nice! I ended up getting a tentative offer at Picatinny for GS-7. Currently doing my onboarding, don't know when I will get the official offer.
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Is anyone here doing the family border detail? My boss said she would sign off on it if I wanted to go, but I'm not sure if it's going to be just a super depressing detail or more actually doing stuff? The details have been rather sparse.
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Iain posted:Nice! I ended up getting a tentative offer at Picatinny for GS-7. Currently doing my onboarding, don't know when I will get the official offer. lmao if that was the opening I also applied and interviewed for
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Rakeris posted:Is anyone here doing the family border detail? My boss said she would sign off on it if I wanted to go, but I'm not sure if it's going to be just a super depressing detail or more actually doing stuff? The details have been rather sparse. From what I've heard, it's yes on both counts. There's actual doing stuff but it is extremely emotionally draining.
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TheMadMilkman posted:They didn’t back date it? I’ve had this happen twice and both times they back dated and paid out the difference. lol. they told me several times that backdating the grade increase was "impossible" and that nobody had ever done it before. Obviously that was a bullshit answer, as it would have just involved correcting the SF-50 and paying me a few bucks (and most critically, admitting error and going to bat with HQ for a low level employee). Something tells me they would have figured out a way to fix the issue if a high level manager were affected
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May 9, 2021 03:20
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Just like in everything else, you need to make not helping you more work than the actual work they are attempting to ignore.
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I will never forget/forgive the time I could not get an answer as to why I was not promoted until after the deadline to file a union grievance had passed, and the union was like "welp, things happen!" It definitely taught me to complain immediately when something seems off and get the details right later. Probably a terrible message to learn really
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May 9, 2021 03:52
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Anyone in DOD ever done the civilian deployment program? Seems interesting, and also potential to pocket some cash and hazard premium in a tax free zone.
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Howard Phillips posted:Anyone in DOD ever done the civilian deployment program? Seems interesting, and also potential to pocket some cash and hazard premium in a tax free zone. Got a link? Sounds like reserves-light.
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First, thanks Toshimo for the advice and help on my resume several months ago, was much appreciated. I recently was invited to take the RAA test for the IRS, and was wondering how long it usually took to get a grade back so I know how excited or depressed I should be. Has anyone in the thread taken it recently?
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By the by, what is the correct procedure for departing a federal job at the GS5 level. Am I required to put in 2 weeks notice or can I just inform them I'm quitting and let them handle the paperwork?
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Xelkelvos posted:By the by, what is the correct procedure for departing a federal job at the GS5 level. Am I required to put in 2 weeks notice or can I just inform them I'm quitting and let them handle the paperwork? It is up to you, quiting on good terms is usually a good idea though and you can make sure your paperwork is correct before you leave.
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Rakeris posted:Is anyone here doing the family border detail? My boss said she would sign off on it if I wanted to go, but I'm not sure if it's going to be just a super depressing detail or more actually doing stuff? The details have been rather sparse. If you do it, post details and stories. I volunteered for it but apparently the entire agency's leadership said "lol gently caress that"
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Terror Ninja posted:It is up to you, quiting on good terms is usually a good idea though and you can make sure your paperwork is correct before you leave. That seems fairly vague which I guess is appropriate. What paperwork do you mean? And would it be okay if I gave a week instead of two weeks?
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Idk anywhere I have worked I don't think anyone gave two ducks if you just quite, for paperwork it's out processing stuff, like turned in all your gear, keys, weapons, vehicles etc. if you have a clearance you will have to get debriefed. (At least that is all I had to do last time) I would be extremely surprised if it even came up on a reference check later, and I would be even more surprised if it was a suitability/fitness issue. It's not like they are going to be able to fill your position in two weeks anyhow.
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Xelkelvos posted:That seems fairly vague which I guess is appropriate. What paperwork do you mean? And would it be okay if I gave a week instead of two weeks? Information on health insurance, a copy of your personnel file, verifying proper amount of annual leave is being paid out. You also can make sure your final sf50 is done correctly with no inappropriate comments in the remarks section. Your HR file is permanent and will follow you if you ever get a new govie job. If you do you'll get your sick leave balance restored (sick leave isn't paid out). If your HR is good they can go through all of this stuff with you...it can be a lot harder when you no longer have a Agency email. A week should be long enough.
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For however long that Tentative Offer takes to convert to an Official one once all the security checks are done, I just don't think I can handle this IRS job any more and obviously, typing it out here makes me more determined to do so. It does suck given how bad a situation the IRS is right now, but it is what it is and I have to worry about my mental health first.
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Terror Ninja posted:Information on health insurance, a copy of your personnel file, verifying proper amount of annual leave is being paid out. You also can make sure your final sf50 is done correctly with no inappropriate comments in the remarks section. Your HR file is permanent and will follow you if you ever get a new govie job. If you do you'll get your sick leave balance restored (sick leave isn't paid out). It's also helpful to get your TSP and FERS sorted out. There's basically no downside to giving notice because the paperwork to fire you early would be way too much work. If anything, they'll probably be more concerned with aligning it with the end of a pay period than 1 week vs. 2.
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Xelkelvos posted:For however long that Tentative Offer takes to convert to an Official one once all the security checks are done, I just don't think I can handle this IRS job any more and obviously, typing it out here makes me more determined to do so. there are implications to having a break in service, in terms of your retirement, leave, and other accrued benefits. I can't remember them off hand, but you should look into it before you make your decision. do you have accrued sick leave you can use to bridge the gap?
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Thesaurus posted:there are implications to having a break in service, in terms of your retirement, leave, and other accrued benefits. I can't remember them off hand, but you should look into it before you make your decision. I'd need to know how long the gap is in order to bridge it, but I don't have much beyond a week or so of leave. Ostensibly, I'd just use up my AL so I don't have to worry about reporting for the refund of it, and just carry over my Sick Leave and TSP
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I just got an email today that my “Tier 2” background investigation was favorably adjudicated - but I’ve been a FEMA reservist since February 28th? Is your security clearance/ public trust status viewable anywhere, like the OPM website?
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So I’ve been applying to a bunch of GS-14 positions, and got my first notice of referral today, as well as my first notice of non-referral. I’ve applied to 6 other openings, and man do I hope one of them goes through. I’ve been working on the same project for 8 years now and I really need a change of pace.
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wolfs posted:I just got an email today that my “Tier 2” background investigation was favorably adjudicated - but I’ve been a FEMA reservist since February 28th? Is your security clearance/ public trust status viewable anywhere, like the OPM website? Also your reservist position must be way cooler to involve notification of clearance adjudication. Or they just forgot to tell me when mine was done. Or, I guess keeping with the theme, they just never bothered
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Star Man posted:God I hate writing cover letters. I thought the only good thing about job searching in the federal government is that nobody did those.
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Crab Dad posted:Got a link? Sounds like reserves-light. https://www.dcpas.osd.mil/Expeditionary/index Scroll down and click on "Positions" to see what's possible. quote:God I hate writing cover letters. Cover letters suck. Any job that requires one basically gets a pass from me.
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Howard Phillips posted:Cover letters suck. Any job that requires one basically gets a pass from me. Maybe when I'm not trying to go from the USPS to anything else and have some leverage, I'll approach it the same way. At least I finally made it out of Wyoming, so I at least live in the same city (Pittsburgh) as some of the jobs I read about now.
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wolfs posted:I just got an email today that my “Tier 2” background investigation was favorably adjudicated - but I’ve been a FEMA reservist since February 28th? Is your security clearance/ public trust status viewable anywhere, like the OPM website? A T2 is a mod risk so no security clearance, just a public trust, they should normally notify you after it's been adjudicated. A certification of investigation memo should be put in your personal file after it's been adjudicated. But there isn't a repository of clearances or wtvr that is available to the public/line staff. You would have to contact your security office if you have any questions about your investigation/clearance.
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Just got another offer for a contract position from private industry with a higher base pay and someone's giving me advice to try and negotiate for higher pay (ie: higher grade). The Private job is basically paying at a GS11 while my role would be 7. I assume the HR person would basically laugh in my face about bringing this up to them and asking for a higher starting grade, right?
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OK so another contracting position has opened up and I need to govermentify my (1 page, private industry friendly) resume. Do I just write long run-on sentences that hit all the buzzwords so it trips a keyword search? Or do I just literally pack a page on back full of words like web pages used to do to cheat meta tags?
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Xelkelvos posted:Just got another offer for a contract position from private industry with a higher base pay and someone's giving me advice to try and negotiate for higher pay (ie: higher grade). The Private job is basically paying at a GS11 while my role would be 7. Not necessarily. You can try to negotiate for the highest step, if they are not willing to increase your grade. You'd need to show them your offer letter as justification for your negotiation. quote:OK so another contracting position has opened up and I need to govermentify my (1 page, private industry friendly) resume. Is this for a government or a contractor position?
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