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Red posted:Any version of D-Lo Brown not wearing an umpire's chest protector is wrong.
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harperdc posted:I want to believe that somebody in the GameSpot offices made a custom E-40 for that game, that’s amazing if true. That had to have been Jeff Gerstmann, probably.
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May 10, 2021 21:13
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Nick Jr. Face posted:I dunno, that's the most jacked I've ever seen D-Lo Yeah D-Lo looks in great shape, rock it
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May 10, 2021 21:52
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I don't have much to add other than the statement that D-Lo whipped rear end. I really enjoyed when D-Lo was just being a good friend to Mark Henry for a while until Mark got mad about it.
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May 10, 2021 21:56
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D-Lo's build there is even more impressive when you consider he was pushing 400 lbs when he began wrestling
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May 10, 2021 22:29
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I think it was during Summerslam 98 when I realized D-Lo was actually a good wrestler
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oldpainless posted:I think it was during Summerslam 98 when I realized D-Lo was actually a good wrestler It kills me that a safe worker like him has that mark on him forever from a fluke accident.
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May 11, 2021 02:06
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El Gallinero Gros posted:D-Lo's build there is even more impressive when you consider he was pushing 400 lbs when he began wrestling what the gently caress
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Lid posted:what the gently caress He was over 400lbs at one point and went down to about 260.
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May 11, 2021 10:44
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"You better call 1-800-COLLECT!" *bash opponent with payphone
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May 11, 2021 12:01
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d-lo brown was about 280 when he told me something like "i'm so full of socialism that i dont have any social left for talking to chumps. get out of my face" But it was A little bit different. a little bit different at all. One of the best wrestlers to Stan
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May 11, 2021 12:11
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This is going WAY back to WH2K, but who was it here that made a t-shirt of D-Lo Brown's face with the caption "Don't make me detach my drat head"?
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May 11, 2021 18:14
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sticklefifer posted:This is going WAY back to WH2K, but who was it here that made a t-shirt of D-Lo Brown's face with the caption "Don't make me detach my drat head"? I don't recall the t-shirt, but I do recall that it was based off of some poster's dream he had where D-Lo's head kept inflating each time he rocked it side to side as he walked to the ring, with the threat of his head detaching from his body and attacking the dreaming individual.
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May 11, 2021 18:24
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I know the answer is probably "absolutely nothing", but what changed when the McMahon's came out and put the fans "in charge" of WWE? I know they were acting as if they'd sealed the deal on The Elite which thankfully never happened. Did WWE even acknowledge that segment ever again or was it memory holed?
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May 11, 2021 21:21
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Kosmo Gallion posted:I know the answer is probably "absolutely nothing", but what changed when the McMahon's came out and put the fans "in charge" of WWE? I know they were acting as if they'd sealed the deal on The Elite which thankfully never happened. They briefly paid lip service to no automatic rematches.
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May 11, 2021 21:23
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Speaking of Dark Side of the Ring talking heads, whats Mike Tenay up to lately? Just enjoying retirement?
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Kosmo Gallion posted:I know the answer is probably "absolutely nothing", but what changed when the McMahon's came out and put the fans "in charge" of WWE? I know they were acting as if they'd sealed the deal on The Elite which thankfully never happened. Corbin transitioned from on-screen authority figure to "guy who retires Kurt Angle" to #1 contender
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May 11, 2021 21:28
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sticklefifer posted:This is going WAY back to WH2K, but who was it here that made a t-shirt of D-Lo Brown's face with the caption "Don't make me detach my drat head"?   The file dates on these are February 2001, so it might have involved the old man they had in XFL ads who appeared to be gradually ramping up from "smashmouth football, no prissy pads or personal stylists" to "we played in the dirt and blood with no helmets for the love of the game" to "once I got my leg shattered in four places and lost half of my teeth on a play, and my life was richer for it! And I finished the season with my femur sticking out of my leg, because that is how football is done!" Had the XFL gone to a second season, I am confident this guy would have been calling for death/decapitations on the field, because penalties are for the weak and your life if forfeit. I definitely wanted them to bring him in as a manager.
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May 11, 2021 21:38
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What is the general feeling around WWE's original brand split? The WWE news thread reminded me discussion about the decline of the Attitude Era/Invasion/Austin's heel turn are well covered these days, but I never see too many opinions about the act of the brand split itself - almost a year after their hottest Wrestlemania ever they totally changed the product, and it's the main thing I think about when I think about what put me off WWE at the time. Raw obviously amplified Triple H's problems and bringing Bischoff in was a smart move but at the time it was too close to latter day WCW for comfort. Even when Smackdown was having great matches with the Smackdown 6, I couldn't get past the weird feeling that I was watching this compromised product with a limited roster, tag teams like the Hardys and Dudleys broken up on a whim. (Watching some random Raw/Smackdowns from this period just seem to have such a small roster on each show) It's a big dumb mark thing to say, but it felt like there wasn't a true champion any more. I'm sure there's a few Ruthless Aggression era podcasts out there (I'll take any recommendations)! I read a lot of forums and just so rarely encounter anyone's feelings about the inital brand split and if it affected their view of WWE.
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May 11, 2021 21:59
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The brand split was rigidly adhered to at first and was a great idea. Otherwise we'd have gotten The Reign of Terror across both shows and ratings would have plummeted even faster.
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May 11, 2021 22:17
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keithy george posted:What is the general feeling around WWE's original brand split? The WWE news thread reminded me discussion about the decline of the Attitude Era/Invasion/Austin's heel turn are well covered these days, but I never see too many opinions about the act of the brand split itself - almost a year after their hottest Wrestlemania ever they totally changed the product, and it's the main thing I think about when I think about what put me off WWE at the time. Raw obviously amplified Triple H's problems and bringing Bischoff in was a smart move but at the time it was too close to latter day WCW for comfort. Even when Smackdown was having great matches with the Smackdown 6, I couldn't get past the weird feeling that I was watching this compromised product with a limited roster, tag teams like the Hardys and Dudleys broken up on a whim. (Watching some random Raw/Smackdowns from this period just seem to have such a small roster on each show) At the time HHH being handed the title and Vince and Bischoff hugging were two widely mocked decisions and generally only one brand would be reliably good at a time so at the time it wasn't beloved.
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May 11, 2021 22:22
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Kosmo Gallion posted:I know the answer is probably "absolutely nothing", but what changed when the McMahon's came out and put the fans "in charge" of WWE? I know they were acting as if they'd sealed the deal on The Elite which thankfully never happened. it's probably not actually what you're asking and you already know, but the rumour was that they did this segment because they were sure that kenny omega & the bucks were going to sign with wwe.
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May 11, 2021 22:24
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At least initially, I think everyone was cautiously optimistic. Two things to keep in mind: 1. It was well-known that the brand extension storyline was originally earmarked for the WCW invasion so people were curious to see it. 2. The WCW purchase had, even with most of the Memphis-based talent getting cut, led to a HUGE surplus in the developmental system, with plenty of people who had long been main roster-ready. The hardcores were looking forward to potentially seeing Brock Lesnar, Shelton Benjamin, Steve Bradley, the WCW cruiserweights, and so on. And it did work for a few months: There WAS some goofiness, but the floating world champion instantly made the title feel more important. Some new people got pushes and/or call-ups. The shows felt suitably different from each other. It really started to fall off a cliff when Austin walked out and Vince decided to end the Flair co-owner storyline that night.
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There was a lot that went wrong/was snakebit on some level right at the start of the brand extension, some of which may be obvious in hindsight. The draft was in March 2002, and within the next six months: March 25, 2002: Kevin Nash tears his bicep May 2002: Plane Ride from Hell likely leads to the release of Scott Hall and Curt Hennig, or at least they're released May-June 2002: Steve Austin, increasingly dissatisfied with creative plans, starts no-showing and eventually walks out of the company. July 2002: Kevin Nash tears his quad within seconds of entering the ring for his comeback match, putting a nail in the coffin of the NWO angle that had been prominent since WM August 2002: The Rock would go off to film the Scorpion King and never really return to wrestling full-time again. August 2002: Hulk Hogan takes off six months either to heal up nagging injuries or because he's mad they didn't let him get his win back against Brock Lesnar The silver lining here is that this made room for a lot of underutilized/new folks to get the spotlight, and then eventually lose to Triple H.
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May 11, 2021 23:57
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One of the few times I've liked Vince is when he conned Hogan into losing to Brock.
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keithy george posted:What is the general feeling around WWE's original brand split? The WWE news thread reminded me discussion about the decline of the Attitude Era/Invasion/Austin's heel turn are well covered these days, but I never see too many opinions about the act of the brand split itself - almost a year after their hottest Wrestlemania ever they totally changed the product, and it's the main thing I think about when I think about what put me off WWE at the time. Raw obviously amplified Triple H's problems and bringing Bischoff in was a smart move but at the time it was too close to latter day WCW for comfort. Even when Smackdown was having great matches with the Smackdown 6, I couldn't get past the weird feeling that I was watching this compromised product with a limited roster, tag teams like the Hardys and Dudleys broken up on a whim. (Watching some random Raw/Smackdowns from this period just seem to have such a small roster on each show) Personally I thought it was a dumb idea then and a dumb idea every time they've done it since. I've always argued you could get all the pluses of a brand split and none of the negatives if they could just restrain themselves in the booking. They can book a wrestler to only appear on one show a week without a brand split and that will get more people on tv. At the same time it doesn't handcuff them by keeping people only on one show and separating half the roster from the other.
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Most opinions I heard back when the original brand split happened were derisively assuming they were trying to create a false division so they could redo both the feel of the Monday Night Wars and an eventual Invasion angle, because they'd realised how badly they'd hosed up and wouldn't do it again. lol
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May 12, 2021 00:39
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One of the problems with the brand split was whenever someone started getting over on Smackdown, they had to move them to RAW, because RAW was WWE's flagship program, and only the best acts should be on there! My favorite? Matt Hardy V.1. A heel gimmick that was really working for Matt, getting him attention and one of the best gimmicks at the time. So of course they move him to RAW (with no fanfare!), turn him face, and have him drop the gimmick.
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May 12, 2021 03:33
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Edge & Christian posted:That was me, and while I remember making it, I don't remember why.
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May 12, 2021 04:20
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Edge & Christian posted:That was me, and while I remember making it, I don't remember why. Do I dare ask what the consequences are if D'Lo detaches his own head?
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Davros1 posted:One of the problems with the brand split was whenever someone started getting over on Smackdown, they had to move them to RAW, because RAW was WWE's flagship program, and only the best acts should be on there! My favorite? Matt Hardy V.1. A heel gimmick that was really working for Matt, getting him attention and one of the best gimmicks at the time. So of course they move him to RAW (with no fanfare!), turn him face, and have him drop the gimmick. If I remember right they did that to him not because he was getting over but because one time he wasn't properly deferential to the Undertaker.
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May 12, 2021 12:21
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Claytor posted:If I remember right they did that to him not because he was getting over but because one time he wasn't properly deferential to the Undertaker. Undertaker was supposed to beat up a dozen men while Randy and his dad ran away, and he did. Everyone got big boots and soupbones, Kendrick got chokeslammed, Regal got tombstoned, and I guess Matt Hardy was supposed to get a finisher too but he took a couple of punches and rolled out of the ring in the early part of the burial. This allegedly got him a ton of heat for thinking he's better than the rest of the jobbers.
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perennial comment but WWE workplace culture is so loving stupid.
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It's really kind of stunning how many AEW people have the same story, joining that company and having to be taken aside and told "Yo it's okay, no one here is going to bite you"
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keithy george posted:What is the general feeling around WWE's original brand split? The WWE news thread reminded me discussion about the decline of the Attitude Era/Invasion/Austin's heel turn are well covered these days, but I never see too many opinions about the act of the brand split itself - almost a year after their hottest Wrestlemania ever they totally changed the product, and it's the main thing I think about when I think about what put me off WWE at the time. Raw obviously amplified Triple H's problems and bringing Bischoff in was a smart move but at the time it was too close to latter day WCW for comfort. Even when Smackdown was having great matches with the Smackdown 6, I couldn't get past the weird feeling that I was watching this compromised product with a limited roster, tag teams like the Hardys and Dudleys broken up on a whim. (Watching some random Raw/Smackdowns from this period just seem to have such a small roster on each show) 1. The draft was a really great idea, and the concept felt like it was intriguing enough to be its own event. But, well, they kind of hosed that up by just making it a thing they did between matches on Raw, with the rest posted online. I think it would've been better off with a night dedicated to treating it like the NFL draft, with interviews and video profiles, giving it a more legitimate feel. Vince taking Rock first seemed like it should be automatic, but given that Rock was gone for good that year, they should've figured something else out. They also could've done more to build up Brock beforehand, and he probably should've gone first. 2. The company changed its name months after the draft/split; they would've been a lot better off syncing the two as part of an overall directional change. I don't know the exact timing of all this, but I don't believe being sued by the World Wildlife Fund was a surprise. 3. The situation with the titles seemed a little confusing; the major titles were defended on both brands, but the other titles were show-specific, and it later changed a ton, what with new titles, titles changing shows, etc. I hated the idea of show-specific belts, and would've preferred just a few champions (World, IC, Tag, Women's) which were available to both brands, but oh well. If I remember right, at the time of the split, they had a ton of belts (Cruiser, Euro, Hardcore), and the latter two were combined into the IC belt, somehow. 4. The women's "division" wasn't really deep enough to be on both brands, and I don't think the champion at the time of the split (Jazz) was over in the least. 5. I think it was pretty clear that with 2 2-hour shows each week, you were just going to see a lot of the same people eat up TV time. So, giving HHH the 20-minute opening promo for Raw and letting workers have SmackDown! was a good idea. Edge had spent his time prior to the split feuding with his "brother" Christian, and ended up getting put on SD!; along with Angle/Benoit/Eddie/Rey/Brock, he got a lot of exposure he wouldn't have gotten on Raw (where he would've been buried by HHH). 6. With the draft, a lot of teams were broken up. The Dudleyz were split, which was kind of intriguing. D-Von became Reverend D-Von (I'm sure it was a long thought-out process by the writers, and not just a 'oh, his catchphrase is 'OH TESTIFY!' thing), which was a neat idea, and even gained a large henchman - Deacon (Dave) Batista. Unfortunately, they didn't really do anything with the character, and D-Von mostly jobbed before Batista was repackaged into... well, you know. Bubba Ray wrestled as a singles guy for a few weeks until they ended up just putting him into a tag team with Spike; the brand split took place in April '02, and D-Von reunited with Bubba Ray at Survivor Series in November '02. So, splitting up the Dudleyz ended up being kind of pointless. The whole 'we have a lazy idea we're not really going to commit to, and it will fail, and we'll go back to the usual' thing was kind of the trend overall for WWE's split. 7. The original 'owners' of each brand were Vince and Flair; the split was caused by their dual ownership and inability to get along. Eventually, Vince won their feud or whatever (just two months after the split!), and then Vince was replaced by Bischoff and Stephanie. Bischoff was actually really, really good in his role, except that Raw just became the HHH show. For me, the brand split sucked and felt less important because the rules and whatnot changed constantly; it was clear there was no long-term commitment to whatever their idea of what the brand split should be. If they weren't sure what to do, why should we care? Plus, while the shows looked different, they weren't different enough to feel like different products. I think I generally preferred SD!, because you got more actual wrestling, but I would've liked it if Raw was the Jerry Springer show with occasional wrestling, and SD! was the legit sports product. But, as others have said, people switched shows often, rules changed too much, and meaningless figureheads cycled in and out.
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Edge & Christian posted:The "not deferential to the Undertaker" thing was Survivor Series 2005 when the Undertaker came back from being burnt to a crisp by Randy Orton and his dad at Summerslam. Team Smackdown had just won the main event with Randy as the sole survivor and the jobbers of Smackdown (Orlando Jordan, Nunzio, Big Vito, The Dicks, Simon Dean, Brian Kendrick, Paul London, Matt Hardy, William Regal, Mister Kennedy) were all celebrating in the ring when druids brought out a casket that lit itself on fire and Undertaker emerged. I don't blame him. They sacrificed him to Scott Steiner, too. (Survivor Series '02)
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Vagabundo posted:Do I dare ask what the consequences are if D'Lo detaches his own head? indiana_jones_running_from_dlo_browns_head.gif
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May 12, 2021 14:22
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The Matt Hardy 2006 humiliation train went on for a while. JBL stiffed the hell out of him, Viscera humped him at the Royal Rumble and he was put in a tag team/feud with a fifteen years past his prime Tatanka of all people. Matt is lucky Jeff returned to WWE and they would consistently have the best tag matches on PPV in 2007 before moving onto that great MVP feud.
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Having learned only weeks ago from this thread that the Sharpshooter was branded for Bret Hart (apparently 30 years wasn't long enough for me to put 2+2 together) and Sting called it the Scorpion Death Lock what exactly is the actual name for that move? Surely people used it before Bret and Sting.
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Pretty sure it was called the Scorpion when Riki Choshu used it, then Sting took it from him. Ronnie Garvin was using it in WWF around 1990, not really called anything but "That patented leglock" or sometimes the Reverse Figure Four.
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