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What's the functional difference between "suicide drone" and "cruise missile" except fear-mongering for more MIC contracts?
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May 12, 2021 03:34
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I guess the cruise missile goes faster usually
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May 12, 2021 03:42
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Rent-A-Cop posted:What's the functional difference between "suicide drone" and "cruise missile" except fear-mongering for more MIC contracts? Liotering muntitions can land
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May 12, 2021 03:48
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How it launches.
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May 12, 2021 04:13
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https://mobile.twitter.com/vmorkevicius/status/1391351257063960576 i think a lot about how before i became a regular cspammer it had never occurred to me that from the soviet perspective the western powers had already done a nazi non aggression pact with regards to czechoslovakia which rather changes the context of why they made their own deal with the nazis and begs the question of why our countries arent considered nazi sympathizers for making a very similar deal except with fewer benefits and more workable alternatives
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May 12, 2021 05:56
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Some Guy TT posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/vmorkevicius/status/1391351257063960576 willing to bet that Russia never had an equivalent to Americans holding enormous pro-Nazi rallies in Madison Square Garden in the late 30s but yeah the Soviets were bad for making a realpolitik treaty to buy themselves time lmao
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May 12, 2021 06:09
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The narrative that appeasing Hitler was a huge mistake is pretty common. But yes, governments at the time were more hostile towards communists than the Nazis until it became clear the Nazis were going to come for them first. It's also why the Cold War started almost immediately after the end of WW2.
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May 12, 2021 06:10
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Kassad posted:The narrative that appeasing Hitler was a huge mistake is pretty common. But yes, governments at the time were more hostile towards communists than the Nazis until it became clear the Nazis were going to come for them first. It's also why the Cold War started almost immediately after the end of WW2. I think the difference here is that appeasement is usually placed within the context* of "well WW1 had just happened and nobody had the appetite for war so it's understandable that Britain and France acted in the way they did" but hardly anyone extends that kind of benefit-of-the-doubt to the Soviets, where the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is often framed as Stalin merely being as predatory as Hitler was. Indeed, there's often no connection drawn between appeasement and the M-R Pact when, as it happened, Stalin felt that he had to reach some kind of accommodation with Nazi Germany precisely because the policy of appeasement had demonstrated to him that the West was more willing to side with Hitler than with him. EDIT: it's also worth noting that in the modern context, "appeasement was a mistake" has been coopted by the right to push for less diplomacy and more aggression against whoever is America's enemy du jour, once they're been tarred with the Hitlerite feather. It's obviously bad for what's supposed to have been a reckoning with a historical mistake to then turn into agitating for more war with Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, or whathaveyou. ___ * and this context also often glosses over how certain elements within the US, the UK, and France, had sympathies towards Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy for having successfully extinguished socialist movements within their respective countries, as yet another driver for why appeasement was pursued. gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 06:47 on May 12, 2021 |
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May 12, 2021 06:35
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thinking about this david frum article again and something else (i can't remember where) where the author was gobsmacked that PLA troops spend a portion of their time... sitting around singing songs about mao!?!? what's that about??? it's like propaganda or something, and that can't be effective at improving the morale of the soldiers and giving them a reason to believe in what they're doing while staying focused on their mission. it can't be that, it must be just sheer incompetence, unlike the U.S. military, which has a spotless record of racking up the Ws in wars in east asia  ........................ oh wait... oh no...    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6hzSwyetWM ......................    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dg2yXRKUiw&t=613s david frum: noooooooooooooooooooooo
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May 12, 2021 10:22
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:
that epic sax rendition of 东方红 by patterned shirt guy is 
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May 12, 2021 10:45
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Saw my first "three fingers salute" fluff story on the morning news mentioning Hong Kong. Lots of appeals to the incredible military might of the US and photogenic people begging for intervention. They're tying it to the Hunger Games now apparently? "The hard power of the US military and the soft power of US culture", literal quote from the brain dead presenter lol. Truly demonic poo poo
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May 12, 2021 14:22
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Deified Data posted:Saw my first "three fingers salute" fluff story on the morning news mentioning Hong Kong. Lots of appeals to the incredible military might of the US and photogenic people begging for intervention. They're tying it to the Hunger Games now apparently? "The hard power of the US military and the soft power of US culture", literal quote from the brain dead presenter lol. Truly demonic poo poo I mean it’s clearly a reference to the Hunger Games, chosen specifically to appeal to Americans and consumers of American culture
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May 12, 2021 15:55
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a friend of mine did a good writeup about this that i've since lost so you're going to have to bear with me but it's still absolutely true that the PLA does a ton of political education and internal democracy. very little of their doctrine is secret as such because it's publicly written about and debated by like everyone serving and the commissar attached to each unit is a listener and political educator such that there are stories of like, platoons objecting to using a certain strategy or a certain warplane or whatever and having a back and forth with their guy and ultimately developing some new approach together that's empirically better than whatever the US was doing in similar circumstances
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May 12, 2021 16:51
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indigi posted:I mean it’s clearly a reference to the Hunger Games, chosen specifically to appeal to Americans and consumers of American culture Big mistake on their handlers part to not use something from Harry Potter.
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May 12, 2021 17:19
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Some Guy TT posted:i think a lot about how before i became a regular cspammer it had never occurred to me that from the soviet perspective the western powers had already done a nazi non aggression pact with regards to czechoslovakia which rather changes the context of why they made their own deal with the nazis and begs the question of why our countries arent considered nazi sympathizers for making a very similar deal except with fewer benefits and more workable alternatives Poland even helped invade Czechoslovakia
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May 12, 2021 17:30
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https://twitter.com/EliDFriedman/status/1392513929776189449?s=20quote:Associate Professor at Cornell's School of Industrial and Labor Relations.
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May 12, 2021 17:30
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https://twitter.com/DecampDave/status/1392524569148370944?s=19 So 3 months until we recognize the "genocide"?
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May 12, 2021 18:13
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Rent-A-Cop posted:What's the functional difference between "suicide drone" and "cruise missile" except fear-mongering for more MIC contracts? dwell time?
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May 12, 2021 18:18
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Kassad posted:The narrative that appeasing Hitler was a huge mistake is pretty common. But yes, governments at the time were more hostile towards communists than the Nazis until it became clear the Nazis were going to come for them first. It's also why the Cold War started almost immediately after the end of WW2. the cold war started the instant truman decided to nuke japan imo
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May 12, 2021 20:35
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the cold war started when truman was a sperm in his dad's ballsack, even before he was his mom's zygote
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May 12, 2021 21:27
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Some Guy TT posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/vmorkevicius/status/1391351257063960576 
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May 12, 2021 21:31
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Some Guy TT posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/vmorkevicius/status/1391351257063960576 same reason why its not largely not taught in america that the soviets were largely the ones that defeated hitler and the nazis
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May 12, 2021 21:37
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paul_soccer12 posted:the cold war started the instant truman decided to nuke japan imo it didn't help things at all but I feel like the cold war would have started the instant Japan surrendered in any case, especially if Korea, most of Manchuria, and parts of the home islands were under Soviet control
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May 12, 2021 21:37
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comedyblissoption posted:other important context on nazi-western-soviet relations wow I didn't realize how many civilians China lost
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May 12, 2021 21:39
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Mr Hootington posted:https://twitter.com/DecampDave/status/1392524569148370944?s=19 literally while the US funded and equipped IDF raids Al Aqsa and murders Palestinian children for the world to see
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May 12, 2021 21:41
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indigi posted:wow I didn't realize how many civilians China lost my friend do you not know of The Rape of Nanking? and the conveniently ignored war crimes of imperial japan? of which the perpetrators are still celebrated to this day in japan while Abe and his party white washes the war crimes committed during ww2? Agrajag has issued a correction as of 21:45 on May 12, 2021 |
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May 12, 2021 21:42
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indigi posted:wow I didn't realize how many civilians China lost the imperial japanese army were not known for their mercy
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May 12, 2021 21:43
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Agrajag posted:my friend do you not know of The Rape of Nanking? I just didn't realize the scale. the fact that Imperial Japan isn't talked about in the same way as Nazi Germany is either phenomenal propaganda or - oh, the victims were Chinese, so it's just racism
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May 12, 2021 22:10
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we were never taught about non-US roles in WWII in history class, so I first learned about The Rape of Nanjing from freaking rotten.com
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May 12, 2021 22:18
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indigi posted:I just didn't realize the scale. the fact that Imperial Japan isn't talked about in the same way as Nazi Germany is either phenomenal propaganda or - oh, the victims were Chinese, so it's just racism oops, all race science
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May 12, 2021 22:23
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indigi posted:I just didn't realize the scale. the fact that Imperial Japan isn't talked about in the same way as Nazi Germany is either phenomenal propaganda or - oh, the victims were Chinese, so it's just racism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9vFzN5MbFk&t=140s
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May 12, 2021 22:29
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Agrajag posted:my friend do you not know of The Rape of Nanking? I didn't realized how many Chinese civilians were killed in WW2 either. If we go by this chart, it was about 15-16 million civilians, the Rape of Nanking only accounted for 1/3 million. I look up the actual article. The famine death estimate was 5-10 million. You know if this estimate only count the actual WW2 period, which I assume was 37-45 for China. that was about 2+ millions per year! Although I shouldn't be that surprised since China lost huge number of people during every civil war/famine in Qing Dynasty. Fleetwood posted:we were never taught about non-US roles in WWII in history class, so I first learned about The Rape of Nanjing from freaking rotten.com Just curious where did you learn about the Armenian genocide? stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 22:41 on May 12, 2021 |
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May 12, 2021 22:34
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wtf
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May 12, 2021 22:41
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indigi posted:wow I didn't realize how many civilians China lost the first I heard about it was in "Thank God for the Atom Bomb," in which the author pointed out that the deaths from the atom bombs were something like a week's worth of the ongoing fighting at that point in the war. the point of the essay is something like, "oh, the atomic bomb shortened the war by two weeks? great; humanity came out ahead." harsh stuff.
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May 12, 2021 23:11
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Eh at that point both the Red Army and the PLA were fully on the offensive, people were dying but less and less of them were communists. The decision to drop the bomb happened within hours of the start of August Storm and Nagasaki occurred just as Japanese positions were overrun. The motivation was crystal clear.
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May 13, 2021 00:52
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To get a sense of the scale of the Sino-Japanese theater of WW2 and how much of it just isn't taught, look up Operation Ichi-Go
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May 13, 2021 00:58
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In the early stage of the Japanese invasion. The Chiang Kai-shek led nationalist army had huge number of casualty when they tried to face the Japanese head on with their modern industrialized killing machines. They should have used time and space to buy more breathing room to resist the Japanese frontal assault. This is part of the history either KMT nor CCP want to talk about that much. At least mainland still make some WW2 show every year, in Taiwan you barely can find a young man who know the names of the best KMT generals. Chiang Kai-shek is really a very incompetent leader for anything military and economy related. The only one thing he did right during WW2 was never tried to negociate with the Japanese. It was a miracle he could hold onto power till his death in Taiwan and peacefully passed the throne to his son.
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May 13, 2021 01:25
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why wouldn't the CCP want to talk about what a shitshow KMT leadership was
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May 13, 2021 01:29
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stephenthinkpad posted:In the early stage of the Japanese invasion. The Chiang Kai-shek led nationalist army had huge number of casualty when they tried to face the Japanese head on with their modern industrialized killing machines. They should have used time and space to buy more breathing room to resist the Japanese frontal assault. This is part of the history either KMT nor CCP want to talk about that much. At least mainland still make some WW2 show every year, in Taiwan you barely can find a young man who know the names of the best KMT generals. didnt the kmt conscript surrendered japanese soldiers to fight in the civil war against the communists?
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May 13, 2021 01:39
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indigi posted:why wouldn't the CCP want to talk about what a shitshow KMT leadership was CCP wants to talk about in the later stage of the Japanese war, when they had some resource to put up some resistance in northern China, but CCP doesn't want to get into the detail whether KMT armies bared the brunt Japanese assault and how much sacrifice they faced. Alot of battle were actually led by warlords who officially carried KMT flag but didn't really like Chiang Kai-shek all that much. I am not a connoisseur of Chinese WW2 history, all I can tell you is what part of the history CCP like to focus on what part they like to only talk about in books. CCP really doesn't need to revise the history because nobody in Taiwan want to talk about WW2 history at all.
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May 13, 2021 01:43
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