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Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.


We've got a tie, so I'll tie-break to the option we haven't done yet. So next loop will be AC Follower followed by Gnosia. If the next two loops are short I may opt for Doctor next.

I'll get to recording and get the next update up sometime this week.

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differentiating
Mar 30, 2019

Zyxyz posted:

The text here looks a lot like it could be shorthand for the events of each loop, doesn't it? I thought I'd try transcribing it for reference:

I never noticed this before - agreed that I can't make it fit nicely either (though maybe that's because two character abbreviations are missing?), and it doesn't seem to have much significance as far as I can tell, but that's still a neat catch!

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
Who tends to get voted off first, Jonas or Raqio?

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
IME it's usually one of Raqio or Shigemichi. Sometimes Jonas, although his behavior is such a wildcard that he can just as easily start building up trust with the 'I blindly support my friends no matter what' characters.

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



It's usually Comet before Jonas, if she locks on to sombody that is lying early on and doesn't let up

Senerio
Oct 19, 2009

Roëmænce is ælive!
Or if she's an antagonist role. Girl can't lie to save her life.

Ghost Car
Sep 14, 2009
IME Gina often goes first as well - as an antagonist she's an extremely bad liar, and as crew she's an easy scapegoat because she's also bad at defending herself. She doesn't get the immediate dislike/distrust that Raqio does, but if someone decides to point the finger at her, it's easy to get other people to follow along.

Shigemichi will go down fast as Gnosia/the AC Follower because he's also a bad liar, but generally not as crew, I find. He does tend to get ganked by the Gnosia early on, though.

And yeah, I find Jonas is kind of 50/50 on being frozen right away because he's just so sketch vs. sticking around because he's buddied up to some of the more trusting/loyal characters (like Kukrushka, who tends to like him by default, I think). Though I feel like whenever he claims a role, people are automatically suspicious of him even if he's not actually faking.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.




So our poll resulted in a tie between the AC Follower and Gnosia for first, thus I decide our first loop will be the one I haven't done yet, with the second loop we'll be with Gnosia.

This loop adds two more people, and we'll still be at 2 Gnosia, and AC Follower is generally tough to win as to begin with, so at least when I inevitably lose I won't feel that bad. Let's begin!





You know the drill. Time to--

Music: Enjoying My Routine





Oh, oh yeah. As for Otome, uh... Hm, I'm not sure...
Can a dolphin even be infected by Gnosia?



I believe we should assume that Otome is also capable of being infected by Gnosia.
Yes, if we can't be sure... then that would be safest. We need to factor in that risk.



*Squeak*! Gina...!
Hm... If what separates mankind from animals is intelligence and consciousness... Then yes... I agree.



Huh? Is Shigemichi, like, human...?



The first of the two new characters in this loop is Otome, who is not technically a human but for all intents and porpoises is one as far as Gnosia goes. She's generally friendly, leaning a bit more on the logical side but still can be a solid ally if you get on her good side.

As for the other...





Yeah. Even if he were Gnosia... There is definitely one more here among us. Let's just begin today's discussions.





With the crew getting larger and larger, I'm going to stop doing Round-by-rounds and do more general summaries of each Day. Let's begin!

Music: Suspicion



After a failed attempt by SQ to ally with Kukrushka, we get our Engineer reveals as Kukrushka and Comet. Meanwhile, Setsu is the only person to reveal as Doctor, so they must be the true Doctor.





Otherwise, the targets this time are Stella and Jonas. Stella gets multiple people targeting her, including Cassidy, with no defenders, while Jonas gets more of a mixed response. The tricky part about playing Gnosia or AC Follower is, unless you have high Performance, you have to be careful when you accuse humans or defend Gnosia, as that constitutes a lie and those lies could be spotted easily. Thus as a Gnosia-sided role I prefer to be conservative and not go on the attack unless I think there's a benefit to it, especially since Cassidy has lowish Performance to begin with.



Since Stella has no allies, she's the first to go down. At long as it's not us!

Music: In the Unknown Ship



You replied OK.
Phew, thanks. I didn't want to have to go see Sha-Ming alone.



As for why, well...



Music: For Your Fun



...that kind of explains itself right there, doesn't it?





This is Cassidy... A friend of mine.
Hm... Anyways. Don't mind me. You guys just do your thing.





I shouldn't have asked... Let me rephrase the question. Why didn't you show up?
Why should I? Say somethin' wrong and I might get targeted by the Gnosia, end up getting' wiped out, right?



Sha-Ming is all about trying to survive as long as possible, thus he has high Stealth and some handy abilities to take the heat off him.



Sha-Ming... You can't just do whatever you please. You'd better come to the discussion tomorrow.
Yeeeaaah, nope. Not gonna do it.
In that case, how about I just have you leave this ship? Through the airlock, by yourself.
Hey, hold up! You're basically telling me to go die, right?!



OK, you sound serious... Fine, I give up.

Well, that's settled then.





You think Setsu's joking, but...



Anyway, I finally have our Charisma hit ten so we can use our first skill, Step Forward. Now we can request Engineer and Doctor claims to step up at our request, which is handy if our play style is built around sussing out false claims and accumulating information.



After a visit to SQ, Comet's the one to bite the dust.

Music: Suspicion



Now Sha-Ming is here, ready to lay low and be his Sha-Ming self.



Setsu confirms Stella is human, so we know our Gnosia allies are around. Don't forget that Comet was the other Engineer claim, so only Kukrushka remains. And since we're the AC Follower, that means Kukrushka is one of the Gnosia.

After a round of split opinions on Jonas...



Of course, if an Engineer claim dies, then the remaining claim has to be suspicious. The Gnosia may be wise to take advantage of it if it's between an AC Follower and human, but it's risky as hell to go for it if it's a Gnosia instead.



There's a couple rounds of this, and surprisingly Kukrushka gets some support as well. Funny enough, Raqio goes one round accusing Kukrushka and the next defending her!

Cassidy defends Kukrushka because, well, she's Gnosia. Also she did say we're human (which we technically are!)...





...But defending Kukrushka turned out to be a mistake, as it just puts the target on Cassidy. Despite a last-ditch effort to target Raqio, Cassidy is iced.



Turns out the other Gnosia was Raqio after all.



Also defending Kukrushka was what got Jonas to suspect Cassidy and thus initiate their ouster. Oops!

As an AC Follower, we did our job of taking one for the Gnosia and letting them sow chaos a little longer (even if Kukrushka should be a dead woman walking at this point). But we still lost since we didn't survive. Winning as an AC Follower is tough.



Anyway, time for a new round. The Crew is up to a massive 15, with three Gnosia now. Jonas and Sha-Ming will be our Gnosia allies.



It's time to meet the last of the cast!

Music: Ice Prison





Hehe, humans and Gnosia alike. If you wish to survive... Strive and struggle in desperation, with all your might.

Yuriko is back now, though at least this time she doesn't seem laser-focused on ousting us...

Music: Enjoying My Routine



Music: Ice Prison



(Kukrushka's expression seems dark and gloomy. She seems to be afraid of Yuriko.)
We do not have much time. Let us begin the discussion. By the way...



Music: In the Unknown Ship



If you mean Remnan, he has been onboard for some time now. I believe you have met before...
I, uh... I'm not much of a talker, so...



Yeah... I think you're right.
I understand...
(Cassidy.)



(We need to be careful. Let's look out for each other, OK...?)

This is everyone. All fourteen characters have now been introduced, so now we're gonna have our first full-crew game of Gnosia.



Music: Suspicion





Well, as scary as it may seem, let's let her talk.



So... you're not Gnosia, huh? Do you have some sort of proof?





That may be so... but we are still in danger. During the evacuation, three infectees managed to get onboard the ship.
Exactly. The Gnosia boarded the ship together with you people.



Hm... But anyone setting foot off the ship on Liu-An could have been infected. Can you deny this?
Remnan.



How do we know you two aren't just in cahoots?
...! N-no...! I...
LeVi.



We were the only two remaining onboard the ship. Does anyone else wish to claim the same? Speak up.



Yeah... Yuriko and Remnan couldn't possibly be Gnosia. That much is certain.



So we also get a new role, Guard Duty. The two characters that are on Guard Duty are Confirmed Humans, and this cannot be claimed by Gnosia or the AC Follower. However, if one of the people on Guard Duty is taken out before they reveal, then the other person cannot effectively reveal since they don't have the other Guard Duty role to confirm them.

Of course, it makes the two Guard Duty people much higher risks to be eliminated by Gnosia, but it also narrows down the potential Gnosia targets and helps out the Guardian Angel by giving some obvious targets to protect for the first couple days.



As far as this loop goes, we know Remnan and Yuriko were on Guard Duty. Thus it'd be foolish to target them for cold sleep, and we know neither is an AC Follower (nor Engineer/Doctor/Guardian Angel).



Anyway, the early focus is on Chipie. Cassidy is the only one to defend because joining the accusations just increases the risk of being caught lying.





After we get Comet and SQ as our Doctor reveals (one of which must be the AC Follower), there's a lot of focus on taking out Shigemichi and Comet.



While the Shigemichi focus was a distraction, it comes down to the wire between Chipie and Comet. Comet could be the AC Follower, so I probably should've voted Chipie, but I also defended him and helped accuse Comet, so I wanted to seem consistent at least.

On the bright side, it wasn't a Gnosia that went to the fridge.



You follow the trail of water down the hall...

Music: Enjoying My Routine





You asked what the two of them are doing.
Otome's... helmet. I'm repairing it.
It cracked, and some water spilled out.
OK... this should do it.





Guy seems to have a hard time of things to begin with, so even though we're Gnosia scum and hate all humanity I want to show some sympathy and support for Remnan before we eliminate him and his kind for the glory of Gnos.



I just... like this sort of handywork. I'm glad I could... be of help.
He really went out of his way to fix this for me! Remnan is a really good person. I'm glad I realized that.
Oh, no... Even if I wasn't here... I'm sure... someone would've...



...



Sounds about right.



When you learn something new about a character or two, you get a Crew Update. I'll show this off in the next update, but as you play more and more loops, you may learn details about the various characters. In fact, when Setsu unlocked the expanded crew roster, we got details on everyone except for Otome, Sha-Ming, Yuriko, and Remnan. I didn't show it, but we unlocked Sha-Ming's upon talking to him with Setsu, and Yuriko's right before she revealed to be on Guard Duty.



Anyway, I decide to get some much-delayed payback against Yuriko. She's a major threat if she's not on your side, and she's a Confirmed Human, so she really makes the most sense unless we were really scared of the Guardian Angel.

Music: Suspicion



If SQ was the AC Follower, she'd probably say Comet was Gnosia. Thus I'm thinking for now that SQ is the real Doctor, though that's not quite confirmed yet. Not great, but SQ's not a huge threat yet.



The first couple rounds are focused on Gina, with the group pretty split on her. I opt to be pro-Gina since I don't want to risk being exposed as a liar.



Otherwise, we have three rounds of mostly-failed suspicions of Sha-Ming, Shigemichi, and Jonas, as all three are thoroughly defended.



So naturally, it is Chipie that goes to the fridge.



Sometimes, as a Gnosia, your fellow Gnosia may have advice to give on who to target next.

Music: The Truth



Hm... OK, so like...



They generally give good advice on next targets. You want to make sure they're not doing something dumb like targeting the Engineer when a Gnosia counter-claimed, but otherwise if you don't have a good option, they'll lean you in the right direction. Of course, the only risk is that, as the only Guard Duty role left, Remnan is going to be a sure target for the Guardian Angel if they're still around.



So guess what happens!

Music: Suspicion



Nothing too exciting to start. SQ states Chipie was human, a bit of Raqio suspicion, SQ and Setsu collaborate. Then things ramp up with a focus on Gina.



After some shade at Stella, next Raqio goes after Kukrushka, leading her to use her Regret skill, which can garner a lot of sympathy. She ends up getting four people defending her, including Cassidy! What can I say, I felt like it.



Gina's been a big target the past couple of days, so it makes sense she's the one to go next.



Otome's trusting us, it seems, so it seems good to keep her alive for now.



In retrospect, maybe I shouldn't have killed Raqio. They excel at logic, but there's not much logic for them to work with right now, so maybe I should've left them alive until they inevitably got iced by everyone else. Oh well!



Yeah, I'm really thinking SQ is the Doctor now. I'm pretty sure the AC Follower would've lied about one Gnosia by now.

One bout of Shigemichi debate later...





Now that we're almost out of the tutorial stage and have more than two Gnosia to work with, we can really see the Gnosia pretending to go against each other here. Sha-Ming decides Setsu's a good target, but Jonas takes this opportunity to defend them, probably because there's been little given to have people doubt Setsu yet. A couple others join the defense.



Our Engineer claims are Jonas and Shigemichi. Since Comet was the AC Follower, then Shigemichi must be the actual Engineer.





If a Gnosia or AC Follower claims the Engineer or Doctor after Day 1, their reports are auto-generated. This can understandably bite the false claim in the rear end if their random reports end up exposing contradictions, so it's a risky move to make. It might have been worth it for Jonas if the real Engineer weren't still around, but since he is...



Despite some doubt thrown at Cassidy's way, and some more at Setsu, things work out in our favor, as Shigemichi is taken out. Hopefully Jonas can get away with this...





Setsu was trusted by most of the ship, and they're a solid all-around character, so they make sense as the next target for elimination.



Jonas is clearing too many people. I don't know why he didn't target Stella by lying about her being Gnosia, but then this is Jonas we're talking about.

Oh, and SQ cleared Shigemichi, she's very likely the Doctor.



After an early look at SQ, suspicion falls on Sha-Ming. I didn't mean to join the doubt against a fellow Gnosia, but it's really not a bad gambit, especially if they're becoming a big target. You don't want all the Gnosia to be uniformly on the same side, as that means if one is exposed, the allies will be too obvious.





After that, the focus goes on both Otome and Jonas.



So much so that it results in a revote.



...and despite the extra rounds being all about how sketchy Jonas is, the Gnosia crew and Stella still stick with Otome.



By a 5-1 vote, Jonas and Otome are frozen. Sha-Ming is the dissenter, though Cassidy only voted to Freeze Everyone because they were last and thus knew which way the wind was blowing. I'd have preferred to keep Jonas alive, but at least we take another human down with him.



Stella doesn't seem to trust us much.



Oops!



OK, this really, really super-duper suggests SQ is the Doctor.





Unfortunately, this is where things turn south. We're down to five people, and two Gnosia left, so if we can get one more human frozen we'd win. Sadly, this is also the point where the humans realize that Sha-Ming and Cassidy are the sketchiest ones left.



Despite a failed attempt to target SQ (Remnan is Confirmed Human and Kukrushka is difficult to freeze on a good day), we end with a tie against our Gnosia buddy.





Amusingly enough, this means Sha-Ming and Cassidy have no choice but to go against each other. Not that it really gives much hope for the other to survive...



It's fine. If Cassidy survived this round, they probably wouldn't the next. Likewise, I don't think Sha-Ming is going to last this game either.



I wish I had remembered to check the game log to see what lies were caught, but this was one of those times I forgot to do that. Oh well!

Otherwise, Gina was the Guardian Angel.





Now that everyone is available, we get full control over criteria!

Crew can be from 5 to 15. Cassidy and Setsu are always available, otherwise the other characters are random if not a full crew. Gnosia can range from 1-6, though the max depends on the Crew set-up of course, as you can't have three Gnosia on a five-person crew or they'd auto-win.

Otherwise, we can now opt whether to have an Engineer, Doctor, Guardian Angel, AC Follower, or Guard Duty. In addition to the other roles from last time, we can also choose to be on Guard Duty ourselves!

I'm not going to take a formal vote on this, but if you have any suggestions, I'll try stuff out and see how it goes!

Next time, though, now that we've got a full cast, I'll take a break from the loops to show off the bios and stats of our cast of characters! I may also show the comprehensive in-game manual that has some pretty helpful tips for playing!

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Oh wow, Jonas managed to not be the worst

Also is... Otome's helmet full of water? How does she breathe?

I feel like you slipped up in not taking out SQ once you were confident she's the legit doctor. On top of getting a lot of true information known out there, her Exaggerate power seems to have done you in!

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

Okay, now I really wanna see Otome's Gnosia face. Also, really dumb question, but I just realised, I have no idea what the win condition for the entire game is. Do you just keep getting friendship points with other members of the crew until you unlock enough story to achieve triumph?

Silver Falcon
Dec 5, 2005

Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

A beluga in a space helmet...

Oh my goodness I love her! :swoon:

Voting that regardless of whatever else you put in, always have Otome!

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

So if you're looking for suggestions for games to try out, I'd like to see how a six-gnosia one plays. From either side.

Also one where you are the only gnosia.


Actually, a question from this part...

These characters noticed you were lying when you defended Kurushka, but how did the game know you were lying? Sure, there was a simple chain of logic to figure out she had to be gnosia, but the game couldn't know you as a player had figured it out, could it?

Tenebrais fucked around with this message at 00:12 on May 12, 2021

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

Kaboom Dragoon posted:

Okay, now I really wanna see Otome's Gnosia face. Also, really dumb question, but I just realised, I have no idea what the win condition for the entire game is. Do you just keep getting friendship points with other members of the crew until you unlock enough story to achieve triumph?

Kiiiiinda. It’ll pop up later, for now all we have to worry about is playing and having fun!


Tenebrais posted:

Actually, a question from this part...

These characters noticed you were lying when you defended Kurushka, but how did the game know you were lying? Sure, there was a simple chain of logic to figure out she had to be gnosia, but the game couldn't know you as a player had figured it out, could it?

That’s the only explanation I can think of, besides the game deciding I’m lying every time I defend a Gnosia, whether I know it or not. The game does have situations where it will point out you should logically know something if you have the right skills, but that’s just for knowing Definite Humans/Enemies from everyone’s perspective. Not really sure if it’ll track whether you know something just from info you have.

Then again, the game is a bit odd in how it treats lying to begin with. Dunno how well I can explain it, but it’ll come up either later in the game or in the in-game manual.

I’ll keep an eye out in future AC Follower attempts to see if I can get busted for covering a Gnosia that’s not been confirmed to me.

Rosalie_A
Oct 30, 2011

Tenebrais posted:

Actually, a question from this part...

These characters noticed you were lying when you defended Kurushka, but how did the game know you were lying? Sure, there was a simple chain of logic to figure out she had to be gnosia, but the game couldn't know you as a player had figured it out, could it?

Defending a known Gnosia or Doubting a known Human counts as lying. Comet and Kukrushka both claimed Engineer, and then Comet was nightkilled, confirming her as Human. Now normally, the presence of an AC Follower means that the remaining fake claim isn't necessarily a Gnosia, except there was one person who knew who the AC Follower was: Cassidy.

From Cassidy's perspective, since they know who the AC Follower is, one Engineer claim must be legitimate, and one must be Gnosia. When Comet was nightkilled, that confirms her as the real Engineer from Cassidy's perspective, which by implication means that Kukrushka must be Gnosia. Thus, when you stepped up to defend Kukrushka, you were defending a known Gnosia, and that rings up as lying.

Rockstar Massacre
Mar 2, 2009

i only have a crazy life
because i make risky decisions
from a position of
unreasonable self-confidence
all characters are revealed? tag yourselves. who plays werewolf like Shigimachi does?

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
I’m a Jonas all the way.

The problem is that my group (or what’s left of it between friends moving and the pandemic halting things) has a Yuriko.

Mega64 fucked around with this message at 01:32 on May 12, 2021

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
I'm not sure I've played enough of these games to formulate what I am.

Insertnamehere31
Jan 23, 2012

This could be the most one-sided fight since 1973 when Ali faced an eighty-foot tall mechanical Joe Frazier. My memory isn't what it used to be, but I think the entire Earth was destroyed.

I'd say I'm probably a Setsu or Chippie, but with the Raqio-like quality of talking too much and drawing way too much attention onto myself.

TeeQueue
Oct 9, 2012

The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.
I’m some kind of hypothetical Comet who can lie.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

I'm the guy that claims gnosia turn one.

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



I'm on the weird guy that only gets to play Ultimate Werewolf on Halloween with family so i never get to actually play as i have to play moderator to all the extra roles that adds.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


I privately claim to be the Doctor to one random person, the Engineer to another, the Guardian Angel to a third... while being plain old Crew.

Epicmissingno
Jul 1, 2017

Thank gooness we all get along so well!
Count me in the "not enough friends to play Werewolf" camp. I'd probably be crap if I did play it anyway.

Scrap Dragon
Oct 6, 2013

SECRET TECHNIQUE:
DARK SHADOW
BLACK FALLEN ANGEL!


Rockstar Massacre posted:

all characters are revealed? tag yourselves. who plays werewolf like Shigimachi does?

Reporting in

wologar
Feb 11, 2014

නෝනාවරුනි
I play like Kukrushka without the charm.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Huh. Uh, what is actually the win condition for the AC follower? Just surviving? In that case, why not just side with the humans?

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Carbon dioxide posted:

Huh. Uh, what is actually the win condition for the AC follower? Just surviving? In that case, why not just side with the humans?

It looks like it's causing the Gnosia to win while also surviving to the end. Which is definitely a really harsh set of circumstances to live through. You have no idea who the Gnosia are, so you have to avoid getting them iced, while avoiding being iced yourself and hoping that a Gnosia doesn't target you. The fact that you have to live through to the end or it's an auto loss is probably the biggest part that makes that role hard to win as. Can't just sacrifice yourself to give the Gnosia a chance to win.

CHiRAL
Mar 29, 2010

Anus.

Epicmissingno posted:

Count me in the "not enough friends to play Werewolf" camp. I'd probably be crap if I did play it anyway.

Same.
I do own this game though and it seems like I'm another Raqio. I find the gnosia very often but also get iced for being annoying a lot :saddumb:

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

Carbon dioxide posted:

Huh. Uh, what is actually the win condition for the AC follower? Just surviving? In that case, why not just side with the humans?

AC follower wins with gnosia. I think it is assumed an in depth investigation after an human win would find them, and well, it seems people aren't kind to the AC cult to say the least, while after a gnosia win they presumably unfreeze fellow gnosia and kill the rest (which is what the AC cult wants).

Cassidy loses if they get killed or iced, but that's independent from their role in a given loop.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Given that the game is literally simming the ai during normal play, I a till don't get why the devs didn't have it finish simulating the round and letting the player know the results. Especially since cold sleep has several lines implying its reversible and will be reversed if the gnosia are all caught. It really doesn't make sense as a defeat condition.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

FoolyCharged posted:

Given that the game is literally simming the ai during normal play, I a till don't get why the devs didn't have it finish simulating the round and letting the player know the results. Especially since cold sleep has several lines implying its reversible and will be reversed if the gnosia are all caught. It really doesn't make sense as a defeat condition.

I'm inclined to think that's because story-wise, whatever is forcing this Groundhog Day on Cassidy needs them to survive to the end of the game 100% of the time. The spec earlier in the thread about the next gen of AI Gnosia-snoopers fits decently here, as an android crew member that gets iced before all the Gnosia are found might not be reusable when subjected to the same cold-sleep stuff as the regular human/sentient members, nor would they be a reusable plant even if only the ships knew they had to be put to cold sleep differently than the active humans. It still doesn't explain why they have to survive completely as Gnosia too though... unless they have a friend-or-foe marker that could be detected from afar so that ships seeded with them can be scanned from a safe distance to see if they are human or Gnosia before allowing to dock/land on a planet. If this thought is right, then basically Cassidy is being trained to be the perfect plant so that while any given ships may not be perfectly safe, bases are after they scan Cassidy's on-board flag, and the person who presses the button on a Gnosia ship has a clean conscience that no humans are left on it.

This is also WAY too convenient and pat to be right. I'm betting we're going to meet the crazy gods Yuriko talked about or something equally nuts.

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.
Otome is so cute. :kimchi:

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Leraika posted:

Otome is so cute. :kimchi:

I'm still suspicious that she apparently breathes water.

What if she's secretly an octopus just disguising herself as a porpoise? :tinfoil:

TeeQueue
Oct 9, 2012

The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.

Tenebrais posted:

I'm still suspicious that she apparently breathes water.

What if she's secretly an octopus just disguising herself as a porpoise? :tinfoil:

I think that green thing over where her blowhole should be is an air tube to make sure she can breathe, it looks like it's a mask with a connecting tube leading somewhere? The water is probably just to keep her skin from drying out, since that'd be very bad.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

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TeeQueue posted:

I think that green thing over where her blowhole should be is an air tube to make sure she can breathe, it looks like it's a mask with a connecting tube leading somewhere? The water is probably just to keep her skin from drying out, since that'd be very bad.

I had the same thought.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

TeeQueue posted:

I think that green thing over where her blowhole should be is an air tube to make sure she can breathe, it looks like it's a mask with a connecting tube leading somewhere? The water is probably just to keep her skin from drying out, since that'd be very bad.

Ah, I hadn't thought that she might be breathing through her blowhole. That makes a lot of sense. I retract my objection.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Otome is indeed really cute. :3:

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Oct 4, 2015
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Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Tenebrais posted:

Ah, I hadn't thought that she might be breathing through her blowhole. That makes a lot of sense. I retract my objection.

A fact I learned recently is that whales and such actually can't breathe through their mouth. Their mouth is only connected to the esophagus and the blowhole is the only connection to the lungs.

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wologar
Feb 11, 2014

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With Shigemichi and Otome (and Yuriko?) there, they should have used "crew" instead of "human".

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