bedpan posted:

i don't support anyone who endorses violence

bedpan posted:

i don't support anyone who endorses violence

Hot Karl Marx posted:

is it violence to defend yourself?

bedpan posted:

it is when the actor is the state and/or the victim is not considered to be human

Chuka Umana posted:

Israel is a person?

bedpan posted:

not just a person, but the only person who believes in democratic freedoms in the Middle East

poll plane variant posted:

How do we determine which group of people is the One Indigenous Owner of each piece of land anyway?

bedpan posted:

not just a person, but the only person who believes in democratic freedoms in the Middle East

Eegah! posted:

https://twitter.com/idf/status/1392652241509789697?s=21

Eegah! posted:

https://twitter.com/idf/status/1392652241509789697?s=21

Popy posted:

obama can only get it up by dronestiking teenagers

quote:

The Vela incident, also known as the South Atlantic Flash, was an unidentified double flash of light detected by an American Vela Hotel satellite on 22 September 1979 near the Prince Edward Islands in the Indian Ocean.

The cause of the flash remains officially unknown, and some information about the event remains classified by the U.S. government.[1] While it has been suggested that the signal could have been caused by a meteoroid hitting the satellite, the previous 41 double flashes detected by the Vela satellites were caused by nuclear weapons tests.[2][3][4] Today, most independent researchers believe that the 1979 flash was caused by a nuclear explosion[1][5][6][7] – perhaps an undeclared nuclear test carried out by South Africa and Israel.[8]

Well before the Vela incident, American intelligence agencies had made the assessment that Israel probably possessed its own nuclear weapons.[32] According to journalist Seymour Hersh, the detection was the third joint Israeli-South African nuclear test in the Indian Ocean, and the Israelis had sent two IDF ships and "a contingent of Israeli military men and nuclear experts" for the test.[33] Author Richard Rhodes also concludes the incident was an Israeli nuclear test, conducted in cooperation with South Africa, and that the United States administration deliberately obscured this fact in order to avoid complicating relations with South Africa and Israel.[34] Likewise, Leonard Weiss offers a number of arguments to support the test being Israeli, and claims that successive U.S. administrations continue to cover up the test to divert unwanted attention that may portray its foreign policy in a bad light.[35] Similarly, Professor Avner Cohen concluded that in hindsight, the existence of a cover-up by the United States is unambiguous because there were "at least three independent scientific pieces of evidence unrelated to a satellite that confirm the existence of the explosion."[36][37]

In the 2008 book The Nuclear Express: A Political History of the Bomb and its Proliferation, Thomas C. Reed and Danny B. Stillman stated their opinion that the "double flash" was the result of a joint South African–Israeli nuclear bomb test.[38] David Albright stated in his article about the "double flash" event in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists that "If the 1979 flash was caused by a test, most experts agree it was probably an Israeli test".[2] In 2010, it was reported that, on 27 February 1980, President Jimmy Carter wrote in his diary, "We have a growing belief among our scientists that the Israelis did indeed conduct a nuclear test explosion in the ocean near the southern end of Africa."[39]

Leonard Weiss, of the Center for International Security and Cooperation at Stanford University writes: "The weight of the evidence that the Vela event was an Israeli nuclear test assisted by South Africa appears overwhelming."[35]

bedpan posted:

not just a person, but the only person who believes in democratic freedoms in the Middle East

Grizzled Patriarch posted:

remember when don lemon got caught liking this dudes thirst traps on twitter lol


a bunch of them are genuine nazis, like literally their handles are like adolphhitler1488 and poo poo. but they also love israel, even though they didn't give a poo poo about it whatsoever until like 10 years ago. reactionary brains are incredibly hosed up, more studies need to be done on how so many people can literally have their entire worldview and personalities rewired by the world's crudest astroturfing

gradenko_2000 posted:

I just remembered the Vela Incident

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The Obama administration didn't hesitate to re-arm Israel in 2014.

crepeface posted:

a century of british colonisation fucks your conception of yourselves

Reality Protester posted:

do Israel and south africa have any sort of connection ?

Office Pig posted:

israel:
-believes in a galactic alien empire

Reality Protester posted:

do Israel and south africa have any sort of connection ?

crepeface posted:

OK baizuo posted:

Wait what? This sounds sort of like those Korean nationalists who believe there used to be an ancient global Korean empire, but better lol

A Russian troll farm posted:

I feel like there's something to be said about Israel being a nation of Eichmanns, but I can't quite grasp it

Reality Protester posted:

do Israel and south africa have any sort of connection ?

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1392639909987602433?s=20