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satanic splash-back posted:The money is coming from their unused federal covid money too, which means there are more than 5 million dollars just kind of floating around for covid stuff that they can't find a "better" use for. lmao. They just realized they needed a quicker way to funnel it through shady connections. Just LOL if you think 5 completely random citizens will get that money.
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Play posted:I feel like the only way to prevent this would've been an abrupt and complete lockdown of the original infected area, and of course that would only work with dictatorial powers AND the ability to identify the new virus quickly. Literally setting up a cordon and no one inside can leave or even get close to the cordon. That area would then need to continue to be locked down indefinitely until the virus has nowhere to spread to and dies out, or a vaccine was developed. Yeah the chinese government bears a great deal of responsibility for lying about it and trying to cover it up, Li Wenliang famously got threatened by the cops for warning his colleagues about it very early on. Maybe next time people will remember the lessons of NZ, Australia, Taiwan and other places that did a good job dealing with covid. It requires strict border closures and quarantine of all travelers, the country has to isolate itself.
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May 13, 2021 00:43
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Randomly remembered this early Covid lol https://twitter.com/HongKongHermit/status/1249142863004348419?s=20
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May 13, 2021 00:46
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hakimashou posted:Maybe next time people will remember the lessons of NZ, Australia, Taiwan and other places that did a good job dealing with covid. It requires strict border closures and quarantine of all travelers, the country has to isolate itself. We could have done a lot better and we should have slammed our borders shut sooner. That we flattened the curve so well during the first wave was as much good luck as good management. Our second wave exposed the deficiencies. It's great that we did well in global terms, but we need to lift the bar and gave a strategy for doing better when the next pandemic comes along. We cannot afford to be arrogant about our successes.
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May 13, 2021 00:56
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i dont want to see the world loving health organization weighing in on this ever again after releasing a public statement proclaiming with absolute certainty that covid can't be transmitted through the air in jan 2020
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May 13, 2021 01:32
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Fur20 posted:i dont want to see the world loving health organization weighing in on this ever again after releasing a public statement proclaiming with absolute certainty that covid can't be transmitted through the air in jan 2020 Yeah, the WHO made a lot of mistakes too. They've lost a lot of trust. Basically the report says that everyone pretty much dropped the ball on this and there were failures across the world because hardly anyone applied lessons learned from previous epidemics and pandemics and acted far too slowly and reactively rather than proactively. Lolie posted:I don't necessarily think the conclusion is wrong, but I don't think throwing more money at the WHO is the answer to preventing future pandemics. Agreed. Not sure what the answer here is, we need a WHO type of body I think, but as it stands the current WHO hasn't performed as it should.
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May 13, 2021 01:48
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They figured out how to get Ohioans to take the vaccine. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1392629444808949763
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May 13, 2021 02:26
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Fur20 posted:i dont want to see the world loving health organization weighing in on this ever again after releasing a public statement proclaiming with absolute certainty that covid can't be transmitted through the air in jan 2020 Didn't they also state in the early stages of the pandemic that they had seen no evidence of asymptomatic cases in China? And there seemed to be a long delay in them declaring it a pandemic as they were arguing that the word "pandemic" no longer existed in their dictionary or something, despite the fact multiple countries were being hit hard.
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May 13, 2021 07:17
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Australia seems to have settled on Moderna as the booster of choice for next year.
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May 13, 2021 09:18
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New cases in the U.K. going up and it’s the Indian variant taking over however they know the vaccinations work against it - hospitalisations are still down 7.4% on last week, and deaths are down 22.2% even though we are at phase 3 of unlocking on Monday.
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May 13, 2021 09:36
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Lolie posted:Australia seems to have settled on Moderna as the booster if choice for next year. ....... if we ever get around to approving it for use, which we haven't yet.  But there's no huge rush, we're jabbing arms at a leisurely pace quote:At our current pace of roughly 421,000 doses a week, we can expect to reach the 40 million doses needed to fully vaccinate Australia’s adult population in mid January 2023.
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May 13, 2021 09:37
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That seems pointlessly slow because of variants.learnincurve posted:New cases in the U.K. going up and it’s the Indian variant taking over however they know the vaccinations work against it - hospitalisations are still down 7.4% on last week, and deaths are down 22.2% even though we are at phase 3 of unlocking on Monday. Remember it takes about a month between new cases and a change in death rates. Although yeah, cases were always going to go up. It’s the acceleration or lack of that’ll be interesting. The vaccines should blunt it but we’ll see. Nightmare scenario is the India variant rips through the old and vulnerable and the AZ vaccine is found lacking. If there’s anything to take away from this it’s that the world can’t sit back and watch developing nations suffer because the virus needs suppressing everywhere at once. Not that this is new information but our glorious leaders still don’t get it. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 09:50 on May 13, 2021 |
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May 13, 2021 09:42
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People really underestimate white Australia’s willingness and desire to lock down all borders. The story of Christmas Island is loving wild, they even used it as a covid quarantine zone back in February 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-51352145
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May 13, 2021 09:48
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Lolie posted:Australia seems to have settled on Moderna as the booster if choice for next year. I think it’s a good decision. I like Moderna’s mRNA-1273.351 booster and general strategy.
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Platystemon posted:I think it’s a good decision. Which means Scotty from marketing is bound to gently caress it up somehow.
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Regarde Aduck posted:That seems pointlessly slow because of variants.
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May 13, 2021 10:07
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Regarde Aduck posted:If there’s anything to take away from this it’s that the world can’t sit back and watch developing nations suffer because the virus needs suppressing everywhere at once. Not that this is new information but our glorious leaders still don’t get it. Countries with excess doses are already looking at how they're going to allocate them to the developing world. That's especially important as Covax may not be able to provide the amounts originally expected. That said, immunisation is going to make the biggest difference in those nations but the quantities of vaccine required, and the infrastructure for getting it into the arms of the population, don't exist.
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May 13, 2021 10:19
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Akuma posted:Is there any robust evidence that this is a concern? I thought the known variants weren't different enough to evade the vaccines, and that anything else was just hearsay and pessimism? Genuine question, I've probably missed something... No, no evidence at all, and in fact the lack of hospitalisations in the communities the Indian variant has already taken hold in is proving the opposite. The actual non-doom answer is thatthr U.K. got away with it with the Indian variant this time. We better hope like hell enough of the rest of the world gets vaccinated and our vaccine makers can keep on top of boosters because next time it might mutate enough to evade vaccines.
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May 13, 2021 10:37
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Akuma posted:Is there any robust evidence that this is a concern? I thought the known variants weren't different enough to evade the vaccines, and that anything else was just hearsay and pessimism? Genuine question, I've probably missed something... Some of the mutations that we're seeing in variants apparently increase vaccine resistance. E484K (which is found in the Brazil B.1.1.28.2 variant and the South Africa 501.V2 variant) is the main one but E484Q (India B.1.617 variant) also looks iffy. A small number of the UK B.1.1.7 variant have been detected with the E484K mutation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_SARS-CoV-2#Notable_missense_mutations
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May 13, 2021 10:38
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learnincurve posted:No, no evidence at all, and in fact the lack of hospitalisations in the communities the Indian variant has already taken hold in is proving the opposite. At the moment, although the Indian variant cases have trebled over the last week, they're still at a low enough number and relatively recent so probably won't show up easily as translating into hospital admissions. As for vaccine breakthrough: https://mobile.twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1392611444970201092
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May 13, 2021 14:11
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https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1392827279944867840 Well then
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May 13, 2021 14:14
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If U.K. fauci Dr Whitty says the current vaccinations work against the current Indian variant then I’m not going to believe a god drat word anyone else says  I’m utterly sick of the U.K. media trotting out fringe scientists who have an axe to grind or are flat out making money off of doom mongering. The only people who have the real data work for public health England/the NHS and they are not mouthing off in the independent. It’s been like this right from when the vaccinations started, the scumbags in every paper pandering to the sick fucks getting off on the idea of mass death who don’t want to believe the actual charts,; “so here’s the exact evidence that counteracts what you can see with your eyes saying the vaccinations will stop working tomorrow, feel free to spread this utter slurry over the internet everyone!”
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May 13, 2021 14:29
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haha not here, not for a while yet for me anyhow.
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May 13, 2021 14:31
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i'd rather listen to the science than make mask wearing into a political statement but you do you
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May 13, 2021 14:33
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It's going to be hard for me to re-wire myself into not automatically assuming that someone not wearing a mask is a danger to myself. I want to not have to wear a mask but I also don't want people to feel unsafe around me so I might still just keep wearing the mask when I leave the house for a while yet.
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May 13, 2021 14:36
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U.K. has masks outside as optional but inside as mandatory. June 19 that may be dropped but it’s looking like the key word being repeated a suspiciously large amount is “adequate ventilation”. This would 100% play into what the bus companies want because they were all trying to ban eating and drinking before the plague hit.
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May 13, 2021 14:41
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learnincurve posted:If U.K. fauci Dr Whitty says the current vaccinations work against the current Indian variant then I’m not going to believe a god drat word anyone else says Are you missing the difference between "evade" and "resist"? Just because the variants have a higher vaccine resistance doesn't mean the vaccines are suddenly useless, their efficacy against the variants is just lower Mozi posted:i'd rather listen to the science than make mask wearing into a political statement but you do you The article quoting Fauci says that people still need to wear masks outside in crowded situations
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May 13, 2021 14:43
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Fuk u National Express, I will eat my Meatball Marinara footlong on the bus to Edinburgh and make the whole bus smell like a Subway located under a rail bridge for 8 hours, you can't stop me
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No, I’m saying I’m not getting my information off Twitter and the news. Take all the paranoia in this thread, make it a man and you got one Dr Whitty, so when he starts worrying I do. I locked my immunocompromised house down for the duration 2 weeks before official lockdown happened because Whitty recommended people stay at home, meanwhile Johnson was bumbling about shaking hands.
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explosivo posted:It's going to be hard for me to re-wire myself into not automatically assuming that someone not wearing a mask is a danger to myself. I want to not have to wear a mask but I also don't want people to feel unsafe around me so I might still just keep wearing the mask when I leave the house for a while yet. This. I'm going to be wearing a mask out in public until the numbers show it's not necessary again, if only for solidarity and maintaining mask wearing normalization
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learnincurve posted:If U.K. fauci Dr Whitty says the current vaccinations work against the current Indian variant then I’m not going to believe a god drat word anyone else says I dunno, do you think it might be wise to not make assumptions given that the mutations present in the 1.617 variants have also produced reduced efficacy in other studies, particularly against less performant vaccines like AZ?  Does that look like doomposting from the CDC? Are they well known for being over cautious? Obvious this needs further study, but some preliminary results suggesting 1.617.1 is 7-fold more resistant to neutralization by sera suggests a cautious approach as well The advantage in transmissibility is concerning, just by itself frankly.  But sure, it's just doomposting, whatever.
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May 13, 2021 14:56
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learnincurve posted:No, I’m saying I’m not getting my information off Twitter and the news. Take all the paranoia in this thread, make it a man and you got one Dr Whitty, so when he starts worrying I do. Well I'm real glad for you but it would perhaps help your case if you would post a loving link to whatever it was that Whitty said rather than shout at people, your current posting style is not contributing anything to the thread
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Why does it have some sort of resistance if it still has the spikes which we can gently caress up with the vaccine?? I don’t get how it works. Like how can it be more resistant if your white blood cells are still walking up to it like connor mcgregor and pulling its skin off?
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I was ranting about how sick I am with the British press as a whole doom posting and spreading lies, because it came up for the 100th time in my Apple newsfeed but go off I guess, Last I checked this was GBS not D&D Edit: Whitty does our press conferences - he’s the next slide please guy
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Bape Culture posted:Why does it have some sort of resistance if it still has the spikes which we can gently caress up with the vaccine?? I don’t get how it works. Like how can it be more resistant if your white blood cells are still walking up to it like connor mcgregor and pulling its skin off? It has modified spikes. They still bind to the same parts of our cells, but they’re different enough that some of the antibodies you make may not bind to them well.
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learnincurve posted:I was ranting about how sick I am with the British press as a whole doom posting and spreading lies, because it came up for the 100th time in my Apple newsfeed but go off I guess, You’re not really obligated to engage with stuff you don’t want to even in D&D so don’t get too wrapped up in it
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Blitter posted:I dunno, do you think it might be wise to not make assumptions given that the mutations present in the 1.617 variants have also produced reduced efficacy in other studies, particularly against less performant vaccines like AZ? I think we would be friends in real life.
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Bape Culture posted:Why does it have some sort of resistance if it still has the spikes which we can gently caress up with the vaccine?? I don’t get how it works. Like how can it be more resistant if your white blood cells are still walking up to it like connor mcgregor and pulling its skin off? https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-3791(21)00073-2 Title: Co-dominant neutralizing epitopes make anti-measles immunity resistant to viral evolution Fig 1:  quote:In a new study, Muñoz-Alía and colleagues demonstrate that characteristics of the polyclonal antibody response to measles virus play an important role in constraining viral evolution. The neutralizing activity of the polyclonal antibody response to infection or vaccination can be either narrowly focused on one or a few immunodominant epitopes, or broadly reactive to multiple codominant epitopes (Figure 1 [see post attachment]). For influenza virus, the polyclonal neutralizing antibody response is narrowly focused, such that single viral mutations can reduce neutralization by 10-fold or more. Muñoz-Alía and colleagues show that in contrast, the neutralizing antibody response to measles virus targets numerous codominant epitopes. tl;dr: Because of the nature of our antibody response to COVID, single-point mutations on the spike protein have the ability to cause a lot of our anitbodies at once to no longer recognize the spike protein, so they no longer latch onto it and gently caress it up. Notorious R.I.M. fucked around with this message at 17:39 on May 13, 2021 |
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