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smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

A Hobbit's Adventure

This seems to make sense given the information we have: they've got tanks and artillery firing into Gaza, and they might send troops in soon, but they haven't yet.
It does seem like the IDF is wording things to lead people to believe that they're full-scale invading, though. Sincere question, why would they do that before actually invading?

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/AlonLeeGreen/status/1392940604338933767?s=20

Dolphin
Dec 5, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
*clutching pearls*

hey, stop it. please stop it at once.

Myron Baloney
Mar 19, 2002

Emitting dimensions are swallowing you

I wonder if it's even possible to get the stupid fuckheads who've bought the "rent dispute" bullshit to just read the wiki pages for the way the Jewish National Fund and the Israeli Land Authority handle land, or if they don't care and it's 100% cynical lying on their part.

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004


the homes have been stolen and the buildings destroyed, it's now time for the liberal rachet to lock in and insist we return to the "status quo" where the homes are still stolen and the buildings destroyed

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

smug n stuff posted:

This seems to make sense given the information we have: they've got tanks and artillery firing into Gaza, and they might send troops in soon, but they haven't yet.
It does seem like the IDF is wording things to lead people to believe that they're full-scale invading, though. Sincere question, why would they do that before actually invading?

so if they say they’re invading when they actually haven’t, it’ll make them look really impressive when they don’t lose anyone

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



https://twitter.com/Beltrew/status/1392981372155879426?s=20

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004


idf spokesman clarifies to me: we are in fact, not touching you, not touching you

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



https://twitter.com/AManInTheSun/status/1392969653559902209?s=20

https://twitter.com/WalaaGh/status/1392979248420425728?s=20

Death By The Blues
Oct 30, 2011
This gutted me.

https://twitter.com/CoreyAtad/status/1392980434095648769

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

amazing how hamas is bad for firing rockets in the general direction of civilians and israel is moral for using discriminate weapons to target civilians

i guess it's more ethical if you're aiming for them

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
e: wrong thread

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Once upon a time—isn’t that how stories are supposed to begin?—there was a group of people who believed that their god had promised them a particular corner of the Middle East, and decided to take him up on the offer. It so happened that conditions just then were propitious for their project. The cultural politics of the major Western powers of the time favored it, and not merely in an abstract sense: money and weapons could be had for the attempt, and a great deal more could be made available if the project succeeded in establishing a foothold.

Even more crucial was the state of the Middle East at that time. The history of that region has a regular rhythm of systole and diastole that can be traced back very nearly to the earliest clay-tablet records: periods of centralization, in which a single major Middle Eastern power dominates as large a fraction of the world as the current transport technology will allow, alternate with periods of disintegration, in which the region fragments and turns into a chessboard on which powers from outside the region play their own power games. At the time we’re discussing, the Middle East was in one of its diastole phases, fractured into small quarrelling states, and the sudden seizure of a strategically important part of the region drew only a local and ineffective response.

So a new state came into being, surrounded by hostile neighbors, and a great deal of the shrill self-justifying rhetoric already described came from both sides of the new frontiers. Several of the major Western powers supported the new state with significant financial and military aid; of at least equal importance, members of the religious community responsible for creating the new state, who remained back in those same Western nations, engaged in vigorous fundraising efforts to support the new state, and equally vigorous political efforts to get existing governmental support maintained or increased. The resources thus made available to the new state gave it a substantial military edge against its hostile neighbors, and its existence became enough of a fait accompli that some of its neighbors backed away from a wholly confrontational stance.

Still, the state’s survival depended on three things. The first, and by far the most crucial, was the ongoing flow of support from the Western powers to pay for a military establishment far larger than the economic and natural resources of the territory in question would permit. The second was the continued fragmentation and relative weakness of the surrounding states. The third was the maintenance of internal peace within the state and of collective assent to a clear sense of priorities, so that it could respond with its full force to threats from outside instead of squandering its limited resources on civil strife or popular projects that contributed nothing to its survival.

In the long run, none of these three conditions could be met indefinitely. Shifts in cultural politics and, more importantly, in the economic stability of the Western powers of the time turned the large subsidies supporting the state into a political liability that eventually lost out in the struggle for available wealth. Meanwhile, in the Middle East, the power struggles between competing statelets began to give way to a new era of centralization. Finally, the internal cohesion of the state broke down in power struggles between different factions, and too many resources had been committed to politically necessary but practically useless projects such as the support of large religious communities that did nothing but pray and study the scriptures. The arrogant certainty that the state could always overcome its enemies and that the Western powers owed it the subsidies that paid for its survival put bitter icing on an already overbaked cake, and all but guaranteed the final disaster.

And that, dear reader, was why the Crusader kingdom of Jerusalem fell to the armies of Saladin in 1187, and why the last scraps of the kingdoms of Outremer, as the Crusaders called the land now known as Israel, were mopped up by Muslim armies over the century that followed.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1392773503234060288?s=20

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
https://twitter.com/WalaaGh/status/1392979248420425728

dti.

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019
wait what??!

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1392965873187659778

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Dixon Chisholm posted:

Did you know wp autoignites at room temp when exposed to oxygen? You can extinguish it, but it'll catch right back on fire. So, when a medic is trying to remove it, it can start burning again, unless the wound is submerged in water.

Any nation that uses wp does not deserve to exist.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-says-claims-of-white-phosphorous-use-by-its-forces-false/ar-BB1gHaYR

IMO this situation calls for pulling the same card that Biden used on China during a debate, namely that Israel must give U.N. inspectors free reign to determine the presence of white phosphorus, even if that involves working with Hamas so that the IDF wouldn't have advance warning. but

Newsweek via MSN posted:

Asked why it was still in the arsenal, Heras said: "White phosphorus munitions have a particular use on the battlefield, which is to be a weapon of last resort to clear out enemies that are entrenched in buildings in urban areas.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
The sound of gunfire, off in the distance,
I'm getting used to it now
https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/1392985222866690049?s=20

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo

At this point if you aren’t offering full throated support of Hamas you might as well be dropping the bombs.

BoldFace
Feb 28, 2011
Just saw a tweet with a video of someone emptying a handgun magazine onto two people at point blank range. "Kill all settlers in the streets" said the text.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1392961402160259085

The loving audacity to post something after condemning an entire nation of people to death.

at least their graphic design team remembered to have the american eagle looking down menacingly from the background

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo

BoldFace posted:

Just saw a tweet with a video of someone emptying a handgun magazine onto two people at point blank range. "Kill all settlers in the streets" said the text.

Link?

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

uber_stoat posted:

The sound of gunfire, off in the distance,
I'm getting used to it now
https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/1392985222866690049?s=20

how is that not terrorizing

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1392990569140469763

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

lol are u fuckin kidding me

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014


Aww poor baby. Gonna need to kill another dozen kids in retaliation

Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money

lol

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1392977962170036224

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019

Terminal autist
May 17, 2018

by vyelkin
What kind of freak has cctv inside their own apartment?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Terminal autist posted:

What kind of freak has cctv inside their own apartment?
People that put up places as airbnb.

romanowski
Nov 10, 2012

gently caress israel

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

the mob encouragement is really disheartening, poo poo is hosed

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

smug n stuff posted:

This seems to make sense given the information we have: they've got tanks and artillery firing into Gaza, and they might send troops in soon, but they haven't yet.
It does seem like the IDF is wording things to lead people to believe that they're full-scale invading, though. Sincere question, why would they do that before actually invading?
takes longer to gear up for a ground invasion.

my guess is that it's "reconnaissance by fire"* where they drop a lot of artillery, drive some tanks around and make a lot of noise and then use media psyops to create the impression of an invasion. it's a feint. goal being: provoke hamas into mobilizing, giving the israelis some clue about their disposition. they probably also had UAVs up watching. also if hamas fighters expose themselves they risk getting droned.

*just the military jargon term for the tactic but people actually get killed this way

Terminal autist
May 17, 2018

by vyelkin
Has anyone tried to cancel Israel for culturally appropriating Nazi culture?

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

Terminal autist posted:

What kind of freak has cctv inside their own apartment?

those untouched by the scars of war and decades long occupation

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

romanowski posted:

gently caress israel

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

taqueso posted:

the mob encouragement is really disheartening, poo poo is hosed

it's going to go full genocide and then we're going to get handwringing from libs in a few years about how they should have done more and they regret how it happened

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo

spacemang_spliff posted:

it's going to go full genocide and then we're going to get handwringing from libs in a few years about how they should have done more and they regret how it happened

Judging from the social media of Bari Weiss the argument from libs seems to be that "every state has had a origin based on violence."

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spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Chuka Umana posted:

Judging from the social media of Bari Weiss the argument from libs seems to be that "every state has had a origin based on violence."

I know you're not supposed to post your own tweets blah blah blah but:

https://twitter.com/heero99/status/1393000011240153089

https://twitter.com/mayonnaise_soup/status/1393001964502454275

Is there a difference between the way chuds view Palestinians and the way libs do? because I can't tell the difference

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