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Gorman Thomas
Jul 24, 2007
Always fun to remind ppl that Shinzo Abe's grandfather was a fascist war criminal who was rehabilitated by the US in order to stomp out the Japanese socialists in the 1950s.

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Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Gorman Thomas posted:

Always fun to remind ppl that Shinzo Abe's grandfather was a fascist war criminal who was rehabilitated by the US in order to stomp out the Japanese socialists in the 1950s.

he was a most despicable piece of poo poo

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

indigi posted:

I pretty much agree with Dreaddout’s post, but even in the case where the American planners agreed with you I’m certain they didn’t want the Soviets holding significant portions of China and Korea when the surrender came in. another two weeks would have been disastrous from that perspective

It was more of an argument against Operation Olympic. By the time, the US got everything into position, the Soviets probably could have gotten enough amphibious forces together for at least some footholds in Hokkaido and therefore be part of the post-war settlement, it turned out not be an issue because the Soviets were on the verge of sweeping across Manchuria and both bombs needed to be used ASAP.

If the Soviets devoted forces to invading Japan they would be relatively minor but enough to give the US a real headache.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Truga posted:

jesus i didn't know yugoslavia lost more than UK and US combined


it's both, the current japanese regime started as a CIA op, when it looked like commies were gonna win big in elections cia sent a bunch of people and cash to japan to rehabilitate their fash and obstruct commies

it's always so depressing when communists have their popular support quickly stripped away by some dudes with money. what can man do against such reckless hate

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

indigi posted:

it's always so depressing when communists have their popular support quickly stripped away by some dudes with money. what can man do against such reckless hate

"I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy."
-Joseph Stalin

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
Thanks for everyone who shared xinjiang resources. Been reading through a number of them today

lol, pretty much as expected

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


Michelle Bachelet's involvement is what makes me believe there could be something to the Xinjiang stuff, she's been requesting China allow a UN team to interview locals there for years. Why would a Chilean socialist be concerned if the rape and sterilization allegations are actually all CIA propaganda?

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Throatwarbler posted:

The Soviets... western power

this is quite a rewrite

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

indigi posted:

it's always so depressing when communists have their popular support quickly stripped away by some dudes with money. what can man do against such reckless hate

https://youtu.be/D4KROpdUkrM

RIP

huhwhat
Apr 22, 2010

by sebmojo

Flavahbeast posted:

Michelle Bachelet's involvement is what makes me believe there could be something to the Xinjiang stuff, she's been requesting China allow a UN team to interview locals there for years. Why would a Chilean socialist be concerned if the rape and sterilization allegations are actually all CIA propaganda?

https://twitter.com/asatarbair/status/1392624564174135296
https://twitter.com/asatarbair/status/1392624654448168961
https://twitter.com/asatarbair/status/1392624834517954564
https://twitter.com/asatarbair/status/1392627678142889984
https://twitter.com/asatarbair/status/1392628194163912704
https://twitter.com/asatarbair/status/1392628339702067208
https://twitter.com/asatarbair/status/1392628816506363905

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/835269.shtml

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It is part of reform measures for journalism schools that aim to boost education on the Marxist view of journalism and cultivate outstanding journalists for the Party, according to a meeting held by the Publicity Department of the CPC Central Committee and the Ministry of Education on December 20. The move follows an earlier announcement that some 250,000 working journalists will, for the first time, have to take a Marxism test to obtain or renew their press cards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puyi

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Puyi was of considerable value to Mao, as Behr noted: "In the eyes of Mao and other Chinese Communist leaders, Pu Yi, the last Emperor, was the epitome of all that had been evil in old Chinese society. If he could be shown to have undergone sincere, permanent change, what hope was there for the most diehard counter-revolutionary? The more overwhelming the guilt, the more spectacular the redemption-and the greater glory of the Chinese Communist Party".[243]
















https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1069131

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“It is heartbreaking to read these stories of women who fled their country looking to make ends meet, but who ended up being punished. These are women who have often been the victims of exploitation and trafficking who should be taken care of, not detained and subjected to further human rights violations,” said UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet. “These women have a right to justice, truth and reparation.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apart

quote:

Cash incentives and the western media’s endless appetite for shocking stories encourage refugees to exaggerate, Jiyoung Song argues

https://twitter.com/AndreaChalupa/status/1006368736323006464
https://twitter.com/DillieBars/status/1392619987886649348













https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/06/1066682

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Michelle Bachelet stressed that the draft law for the Special Administrative Region must fully comply with China’s human rights obligations.

UN Human Rights Chief @mbachelet says that draft security law for #HongKongSAR must fully comply with #China’s human rights obligations as applied to Hong Kong.

Learn more: https://t.co/KwHWm1OCSd pic.twitter.com/MHD5A37xlo
— UN Human Rights (@UNHumanRights) June 19, 2020

“Such laws can never be used to criminalize conduct and expression that is protected under international human rights law”, she said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJcdT0yd1As




















https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/04/1062632

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In Geneva, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Michelle Bachelet, said that emergency powers “should not be a weapon Governments can wield to quash dissent, control the population, and even perpetuate their time in power”.

Speaking to journalists during an online press conference, Georgette Gagnon, Director of Field Operations, described how various countries had adopted a “heavy-handed” or “highly militarised” security response to the virus.

Asked specifically about alleged rights violations in China, Ms. Gagnon replied that the UN human rights office had received reports of censorship “off and online”, along with the intimidation, arrest and apparent detention of dissenting voices, such as doctors and journalists. “China has informed us at this point that at least some of them are under investigation or have been charged,” she added.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/28/wuhan-citizen-journalist-jailed-for-four-years-in-chinas-christmas-crackdown

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Zhang was arrested for “picking quarrels and provoking trouble” – an accusation commonly used against dissidents, activists and journalists – with her video and blog reports from the Wuhan lockdown. Last month she was charged with disseminating false information.

https://twitter.com/pressFEnterTank/status/1349808802330267648

https://ourworldindata.org/explorer...country=CHL~CHN












Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

lmao

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Flavahbeast posted:

Michelle Bachelet's involvement is what makes me believe there could be something to the Xinjiang stuff, she's been requesting China allow a UN team to interview locals there for years. Why would a Chilean socialist be concerned if the rape and sterilization allegations are actually all CIA propaganda?

there are certainly things in Xinjiang to be concerned about, as there would be with any mass crackdown by a state anywhere in the world, and especially when it involves an ethnic and religious minority. but the "evidence" to support the existence of widespread rape and sterilization campaigns is Fake News

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


gawd drat

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


huhwhat posted:

(khaleesi)

so why not just let the UN visit some villages and do some interviews lol, seems like an easy win if everything's sunny in Xinjiang

also that rockefeller center statue wasn't made by a white lady, you can see the artist in the foreground

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
You're dumb m8

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

drat i wanna grill now

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Flavahbeast posted:

so why not just let the UN visit some villages and do some interviews lol, seems like an easy win if everything's sunny in Xinjiang

also that rockefeller center statue wasn't made by a white lady, you can see the artist in the foreground

the UN has visited. also you can visit too. xinjiang isn't some off limits area to you, if you have the means. it's not north korea

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


then whats even the point of this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/29/un-in-talks-with-china-over-no-restrictions-visit-to-xinjiang, what are those guys negotiating for if they could just hop on a plane and get at it?

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Flavahbeast posted:

then whats even the point of this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/29/un-in-talks-with-china-over-no-restrictions-visit-to-xinjiang, what are those guys negotiating for if they could just hop on a plane and get at it?

what do you think is going on in xinjiang, honored elder "Flavahbeast"

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


I hope it turns out to be the best vocational training camps ever, I really do hope that

THS
Sep 15, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdHnMYUPh6s

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

Flavahbeast posted:

I hope it turns out to be the best vocational training camps ever, I really do hope that

well, if the CPC reports are to believed, they've eradicated poverty within ~20 years of the vocational re-education programs becoming a thing (it was something like >30% when the programs started)

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:


thank you dr. zenz. a lesson we can all keep in mind.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Fachidiot

is there an english for this

like, there's fach idiot and then there's whatever this guy is

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Flavahbeast posted:

so why not just let the UN visit some villages and do some interviews lol, seems like an easy win if everything's sunny in Xinjiang

also that rockefeller center statue wasn't made by a white lady, you can see the artist in the foreground

why doesnt saddham just let the UN inspectors in?

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

both sidessssssss~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Agrajag posted:

why doesnt saddham just let the UN inspectors in?

he’s dead is why

fatelvis
Mar 21, 2010

This is somewhat of an aside - but whatever happened to the thing where there were claims every Uighur family had to have a Han Chinese man living in their house.

I am presuming this was complete nonsense - but its something I remember getting spread around a while back, then people just seemed to stop saying it.

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna
They did have weirdo "Live with a member of another ethnicity" programs that would send Uighurs to Han households and Han to Uighur households. Program was dumb and poorly thought out and a bunch of awful abusive poo poo happened to they introduced safeguards esp regarding womens safety. Program is mostly still dumb and uncomfortable for alot of people. It was never so widespread that most households were doing it, which was always a literally insane claim.

fatelvis
Mar 21, 2010

Zedhe Khoja posted:

They did have weirdo "Live with a member of another ethnicity" programs that would send Uighurs to Han households and Han to Uighur households. Program was dumb and poorly thought out and a bunch of awful abusive poo poo happened to they introduced safeguards esp regarding womens safety. Program is mostly still dumb and uncomfortable for alot of people. It was never so widespread that most households were doing it, which was always a literally insane claim.

Do you happen to have any decent sources where I can read about this. Both what actually happened and what is happening now?

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/SCMPNews/status/1393173167301083136
china... actually good?

Bathtub Cheese
Jun 15, 2008

I lust for Chinese world conquest. The truth does not matter before the supremacy of Dear Leader Xi.
https://twitter.com/SpiritofHo/status/1393202996310335494?s=20

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

hahaa i see the mistake you made there

you made the mistake of believing the "orientals" arent fudging their numbers

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot
this is wild

https://twitter.com/EmpireFiles/status/1393015740291162120?s=20

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
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huhwhat
Apr 22, 2010

by sebmojo






http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-07/03/c_139186814.htm

quote:

◆Since 2016, an extensive ethnic unity campaign has been conducted among government officials and people of different ethnicities in Xinjiang. Some 1.1 million officials have paired up and made friends with 1.6 million local people, treating each other like family members. They have respected and helped each other, and forged deep bonds through close interactions. The officials leveraged their expertise to help local people explore ways to shake off poverty and address difficulties in their lives, such as access to medical services, job opportunities and education. The campaign, with its real, substantial benefits to the public, has been well received by the people of all ethnic groups.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/politics/2019-03/06/c_1124200804.htm
http://www.xinhuanet.com/2018-12/06/c_1123817741.htm

https://twitter.com/jennyjenli/status/1331680766615580673

quote:

民族团结一家亲!没有血缘关系甚至远隔千里,他们的心却紧紧连在一起 | CCTV「焦点访谈」20201226
9,161 views•Dec 26, 2020

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Life of mixed ethnic groups in Xinjiang: We spoke with local kids
13,987 views•Sep 4, 2020

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Universities embrace multi-ethnic policy for unity in Xinjiang
2,007 views•Sep 29, 2015

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Silk Road journey Xinjiang: Ethnic unity key for Silk Road Economic Belt
627 views•Jun 12, 2015

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Xinjiang leaders pledge to promote ethnic unity and social stability - CCTV 072109
285 views•Jul 21, 2009

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Wishes for unity of various ethnic groups - CCTV 070909
99 views•Jul 9, 2009

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Uyghur imams targeted in China's Xinjiang crackdown - BBC News
76,311 views•May 13, 2021

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

China also has this

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/pk_azad1/status/1392057486648041472

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Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Also Iran exports 3 times what Israel does to the China and US imports almost 4 times from Israel than China.

If anything Israel has a pretty huge trade deficit with China and China is sucking them dry.

Netanyahu is really good at staying in power, he is equally terrible at running the country.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 04:08 on May 15, 2021

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