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Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


mila kunis posted:

someone said there's a minister in netanyahu's cabinet that actually carried out a pogrom years ago, anyone know which one and have info

Maybe this guy that was in command of Operation Cast Lead, kinda topical anyway since that was more Gaza fuckery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoav_Galant

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Grizzled Patriarch
Mar 27, 2014

These dentures won't stop me from tearing out jugulars in Thunderdome.



i'm sure there's all sorts of hosed up ghouls from the old days in his cabinet / the israeli military command

in the 80s the idf literally created a terror cell disguised as a liberation front in lebanon and killed hundreds of civilians with car bombs, and the people responsible remained in politics / industry until they were too old to keep doing it

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019


some left zionists (almost all zionists were on the left, there is a reason the USSR was the first full recognizer of israel) thought they could make a binational state, most notably Einstien.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

also keep in mind netanyahu had a ""hero"" older brother and has been kinda trying to overcompensate ever since. bibi is the weird middle child with something to prove

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonatan_Netanyahu

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

mila kunis posted:

someone said there's a minister in netanyahu's cabinet that actually carried out a pogrom years ago, anyone know which one and have info

other than netanyahu?

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

i say swears online posted:

also keep in mind netanyahu had a ""hero"" older brother and has been kinda trying to overcompensate ever since. bibi is the weird middle child with something to prove

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonatan_Netanyahu

Also keep in mind their father was a staunch proponent of ethnic cleansing and liked to talk about "the essence of the Arab" (perpetual war).

Jimong5
Oct 3, 2005

If history is to change, let it change! If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!!
Grimey Drawer

ToxicAcne posted:

It seems like most people in this video don't realize that the Palestinians (and most Arabs outside the peninsula) are descendants of locals who were Arabized.

This is always the thing that bothers me the most about how "the Arabs kicked the Jews out", like they realize Islam came from Judaism and it stands to reason that proto Muslims were Jewish, right? Muslims didn't just crawl out of a hole somewhere.

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014

Jimong5 posted:

This is always the thing that bothers me the most about how "the Arabs kicked the Jews out", like they realize Islam came from Judaism and it stands to reason that proto Muslims were Jewish, right? Muslims didn't just crawl out of a hole somewhere.

I don't even mean it in the sense that Islam descends from Judaism. Most Palestinians are probably descended from Hebrews who stayed in the area and converted to Christianity and Islam.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Jimong5 posted:

This is always the thing that bothers me the most about how "the Arabs kicked the Jews out", like they realize Islam came from Judaism and it stands to reason that proto Muslims were Jewish, right? Muslims didn't just crawl out of a hole somewhere.

no one here is talking about Muslims. the Palestinian people are just Jews who converted to Christianity and then afterwards Islam.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

mila kunis posted:

someone said there's a minister in netanyahu's cabinet that actually carried out a pogrom years ago, anyone know which one and have info

Only one? Sounds optimistic.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Jimong5 posted:

This is always the thing that bothers me the most about how "the Arabs kicked the Jews out", like they realize Islam came from Judaism and it stands to reason that proto Muslims were Jewish, right? Muslims didn't just crawl out of a hole somewhere.

When I brought that up to a libertarian zionist, he went on a diatribe about how actually the Palestinians are descended from the Samaritans and not the jews of the area.

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

Jimong5 posted:

This is always the thing that bothers me the most about how "the Arabs kicked the Jews out", like they realize Islam came from Judaism and it stands to reason that proto Muslims were Jewish, right? Muslims didn't just crawl out of a hole somewhere.

Settlers seem to think all historical warfare follows what they know, which is moving in and killing everyone and removing the old population someplace else so the invaders can pretend they're adventurers taming a wild frontier, rather than different nobility coming in to exact tribute and taxes and conscripts but otherwise mostly leaving the same people in place. The basic assumption is that when the arabic invasions happened the entire population of Syria Palestina or whatever the romans called it fled to Europe forever, I guess?

Cromulent_Chill
Apr 6, 2009

StashAugustine posted:

Hm yes let's continue this line of thinking a bit farther

Genocide: #IsraelsTurnToKill #TryToCriticizeUsCanada

Popy
Feb 19, 2008

israel claiming jerusalem by right of conquest like its the crusades or someshit lol

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Oh so the entire Western world gets to enrich itself for centuries by theft and genocide but once the Jews get their own settler colonial state we're all "ooh nationalism is bad"? I see how it is

Jimong5
Oct 3, 2005

If history is to change, let it change! If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!!
Grimey Drawer

ToxicAcne posted:

I don't even mean it in the sense that Islam descends from Judaism. Most Palestinians are probably descended from Hebrews who stayed in the area and converted to Christianity and Islam.

Yeah I bungled the Arab/Muslim distinction, and the overwhelming majority of Palestinians are Muslim, and it also that any invasions to spark a Jewish exile would have been undertaken by Islamic states.
But that's the point I was more getting hung up on, that these people have always been there and were Jewish Hebrews once and now are not.


the bitcoin of weed posted:

Settlers seem to think all historical warfare follows what they know, which is moving in and killing everyone and removing the old population someplace else so the invaders can pretend they're adventurers taming a wild frontier, rather than different nobility coming in to exact tribute and taxes and conscripts but otherwise mostly leaving the same people in place. The basic assumption is that when the arabic invasions happened the entire population of Syria Palestina or whatever the romans called it fled to Europe forever, I guess?

Yeah, I mostly assume that people either converted or left, or there was a shift like the Christianization of the Roman Empire, with many unwilling to convert deciding to leave or having already left before the local culture converted in general.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

StashAugustine posted:

Oh so the entire Western world gets to enrich itself for centuries by theft and genocide but once the Jews get their own settler colonial state we're all "ooh nationalism is bad"? I see how it is

every country gets one free genocide

thems the rules

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Popy posted:

israel claiming jerusalem by right of conquest like its the crusades or someshit lol

that’s how the brits got it though. and the Turks for that matter…

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Jimong5 posted:

This is always the thing that bothers me the most about how "the Arabs kicked the Jews out", like they realize Islam came from Judaism and it stands to reason that proto Muslims were Jewish, right? Muslims didn't just crawl out of a hole somewhere.

* Stands up to Emperor Nero saying "You're lucky my friends are holding me back, bro. If my friends weren't here, I'd kick your rear end bro"*

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib

Good Citizen posted:

every country gets one free genocide

thems the rules

best of luck to antarctica

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Marx Headroom posted:

best of luck to antarctica

the fish are beaching... and they crawl

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Office Pig posted:

it's the exact same skyline the lazy bitches

the most Islamic skyline you've ever seen, as this is the composition of every city in the Middle East

Pooky
Aug 29, 2004

I post fox news so u don't have to 💋
https://twitter.com/ReutersWitness/status/1393079623886401538

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King
all these loving vultures have learned over the past year or so is they need to figure out if the poster owns the copyright

Pooky
Aug 29, 2004

I post fox news so u don't have to 💋
https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1393077924027420676
https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1393078682424643585

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!

I feel bad for your country. But this is tremendous content.

T-Paine
Dec 12, 2007

Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.

Mola Yam posted:

I feel bad for your country. But this is tremendous content.

Now THIS looks ripe for an unskippable Similisan ad!

Popy
Feb 19, 2008

Finished watching Gaza Fights For Freedom.


What the gently caress






no israeli is innocent

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Homeless Friend posted:

lets compliment israel instead

bds btfo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceYKKNXFpSE

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
still lolling at that Palestinian telling those nazi german bastards on the news this is all their fault

THS
Sep 15, 2017



imagine looking at this and thinking this is anything other than an ethnic cleansing. does this look like Israel is trying to do a two state solution?

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

THS posted:



imagine looking at this and thinking this is anything other than an ethnic cleansing. does this look like Israel is trying to do a two state solution?

The Unconquered Lands

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

THS posted:



imagine looking at this and thinking this is anything other than an ethnic cleansing. does this look like Israel is trying to do a two state solution?

countries have borders that look like a root system all the time, such as [example here] [??????] [more blanks]

Der Meister
May 12, 2001

ToxicAcne posted:

It seems like most people in this video don't realize that the Palestinians (and most Arabs outside the peninsula) are descendants of locals who were Arabized. Also, what happened to the Israeli Left? Alot of the early settlers seemed to have been socialists who were Secular Jews but everyone in that video seems religious.

what left

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
israel is a mad dog that needs to be put down by its american masters! just my opinion!

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

galenanorth posted:

countries have borders that look like a root system all the time, such as [example here] [??????] [more blanks]

gerrymandered districts

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Reality Protester posted:

gerrymandered districts

oh, right

Vox posted:

But in addition to the biblical overtones to their mission, the settlers also have a political mission: to possess the West Bank and prevent a Palestinian state there. As the settler population swells, any scenario of a Palestinian state that encompasses the entire West Bank dwindles. It's simply not plausible to remove more than 400,000 residents from their established communities.

Early settlers referred to their mission as "creating facts on the ground," meaning creating a real-life Jewish presence in the West Bank such that any negotiations would have to take them into account.

"Creating facts" was originally the work of zealous activists who moved onto hilltop outposts, unsanctioned by even the Israeli government. But the settlers later began to receive institutional support from the government.

Over time, and especially as Israeli politics has shifted rightward, the settler movement has become an institutionalized part of Israeli society. Support comes in the form of building permits, public investment, and even incentives for Israelis to move into the West Bank.
https://www.vox.com/2016/9/19/12929342/israeli-settlements-explained I've read this before, but each time I come back to it, it always hits the same way

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

exmarx posted:

israel is a mad dog that needs to be put down by its american masters! just my opinion!

please don't do this poo poo, dogs can be and are regularly retrained to be extremely good bois once they're taken away from insane masters

fascists can't

galenanorth posted:

countries have borders that look like a root system all the time, such as [example here] [??????] [more blanks]

i live in a chicken shaped country does that count

Der Meister
May 12, 2001

galenanorth posted:

oh, right

https://www.vox.com/2016/9/19/12929342/israeli-settlements-explained I've read this before, but each time I come back to it, it always hits the same way

It's simply not plausible to remove more than 400,000 residents from their established communities.

It's simply not plausible to remove more than 400,000 residents from their established communities.

It's simply not plausible to remove more than 400,000 residents from their established communities.

It's simply not plausible to remove more than 400,000 residents from their established communities.

It's simply not plausible to remove more than 400,000 residents from their established communities.

It's simply not plausible to remove more than 400,000 residents from their established communities.

It's simply not plausible to remove more than 400,000 residents from their established communities.

It's simply not plausible to remove more than 400,000 residents from their established communities.

It's simply not plausible to remove more than 400,000 residents from their established communities.

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Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
and yet!

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