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Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump
now I’m not saying all idf soldiers are rapists and murderers but it has yet to be disproved

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Grimson
Dec 16, 2004




paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Good Citizen posted:

now I’m not saying all idf soldiers are rapists and murderers but it has yet to be disproved

we wouldnt make the distinction for someone in the SS why would we for the IDF

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



That video is a work of art.

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014


Sounds like Hamas aim is getting better

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


talk poo poo get hit

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

paul_soccer12 posted:

we wouldnt make the distinction for someone in the SS why would we for the IDF

you see the IDF is the equivalent of the wehrmacht who were the good germans


somewhat seriously: the waffen-ss did conscript people in occupied territories however anyone directly committing atrocities volunteered for that.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

paul_soccer12 posted:

we wouldnt make the distinction for someone in the SS why would we for the IDF

same but also for US troops

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

hobbesmaster posted:

you see the IDF is the equivalent of the wehrmacht who were the good germans

yeah

good at rape

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
anti-tank missile my rear end he probably caught some friendly fire or hit his head

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

hobbesmaster posted:

somewhat seriously: the waffen-ss did conscript people in occupied territories however anyone directly committing atrocities volunteered for that.

ok then the IDF is a more thoroughly irredeemable organization that the SS

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


probably tripped over some rubble and died rest in piss rape dude

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

paul_soccer12 posted:

anti-tank missile my rear end he probably caught some friendly fire or hit his head

it's way cooler that palestinians killed him imo

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

Lamo

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

it's way cooler that palestinians killed him imo

sure but its dignified for his family to pretend he died in action

hope his funeral gets bombed

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

a qassam rocket dives on his casket like a mourning widow

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004




The most peaceful way to end this is a one state solution where Israelis and Palestinens co-exist peacefully with Palestinens getting repartitions for the apartheid. wont happen due to israeli nationalism and propaganda.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

a qassam rocket dives on his casket like a mourning widow

lol

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



paul_soccer12 posted:

ok then the IDF is a more thoroughly irredeemable organization that the SS

I love comparing horrible organizations.

Like its a video game. Which one is more worse?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

[Schindler removes his watch] 10 more rockets right there

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Jel Shaker posted:

how much is one iron dome missile and who paid for it

$50 million per battery[2] $40,000 per missile [3]

Reminds me of this charity that used to run ads asking for donations with the backdrop of Israelis in bread lines set to sad aspca commercial music.

e: found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v2DU1DUbAY

Not long after that one they switched the focus of the commercials to Ukrainian grannies because they're less polarizing I guess

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Real hurthling! posted:

whos the woman hugging the smoking rapist with the manicured nails and jewelry

his mom came to change his diaper

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Rabid Snake posted:

The most peaceful way to end this is a one state solution where Israelis and Palestinens co-exist peacefully with Palestinens getting repartitions for the apartheid. wont happen due to israeli nationalism and propaganda.
youre an idiot

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

I'm glad he died TBH

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
there's something so perverse about zionists dismissing outrage in the west as performative and asking what can we do to "actually help" palestinians.

ughhhh
Oct 17, 2012

If there is a 20 years from now, how do you think they are going use the clean wehrmacht myth?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Rabid Snake posted:

The most peaceful way to end this is a one state solution where Israelis and Palestinens co-exist peacefully with Palestinens getting repartitions for the apartheid. wont happen due to israeli nationalism and propaganda.

Yeah and it's never going to happen.

People keep harping on the 1 state solution because they insist the conditions mean a 2 state solution is no longer "viable" and that a Palestine split between Gaza and the West Bank was never going to be viable. But what exactly do people think a single Palestinian state is going to look like? Are we supposed to make Palestinians live in the same society with a majority of the Jewish population itching for any excuse to wage a pogrom? South Africa could be pressed into giving up on white rule because the pressure of the black majority was so overwhelming that they didn't have any other choice. A single Palestinian state isn't going to shake out along the lines of some kind of liberal or socialist ideal because right wing Israelis aren't going to disappear just because you put sanctions on them. For Israelis to transform into a people capable of living in peace would be a long process that'd take no less than being invaded and occupied by an international coalition WW2 style.

Palestinians just need their own country in the territories which are theirs according to international law. The settlers can either live with Arab majority rule or get the gently caress out. That's the only prospect for peace that doesn't involve war with Israel.

Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 17:28 on May 14, 2021

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

it's way cooler that palestinians killed him imo

he squatted to take a poo poo and hosed up so bad he herniated himself to death

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017
Do IDF just stand around and take pictures of each other all day when not murdering civilians? Every time you hear about someone from the IDF in any context there's always a well posed picture of them in their army man gear.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

20 Blunts posted:

Do IDF just stand around and take pictures of each other all day when not murdering civilians? Every time you hear about someone from the IDF in any context there's always a well posed picture of them in their army man gear.

yes, they 100% do that and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a humanitarian or social media aspect to their training, just the most hideous poo poo to try and humanize their actions and themselves

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

20 Blunts posted:

Do IDF just stand around and take pictures of each other all day when not murdering civilians? Every time you hear about someone from the IDF in any context there's always a well posed picture of them in their army man gear.

They are actively encouraged to take pictures of themselves because the IDF is built on an erotic image of Israeli youth engaging in martial service.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/tdshermer/status/1392972081315422213

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

20 Blunts posted:

Do IDF just stand around and take pictures of each other all day when not murdering civilians? Every time you hear about someone from the IDF in any context there's always a well posed picture of them in their army man gear.

Theyre barely in adulthood conscripts of a highly advanced, massively overfunded military working as an occupation force.
Of course they have nothing to do but sit around snapping pictures and being dumb.

Theyd die if they entered Gaza.

Huragok
Sep 14, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

They are actively encouraged to take pictures of themselves because the IDF is built on an erotic image of Israeli youth engaging in martial service.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Rabid Snake posted:

The most peaceful way to end this is a one state solution where Israelis and Palestinens co-exist peacefully with Palestinens getting repartitions for the apartheid. wont happen due to israeli nationalism and propaganda.

Will never happen peacefully because there are more palestinians and they would win all the elections in a real democracy.

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



paul_soccer12 posted:

youre an idiot


okay friend, its like you read the first couple words and posted

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Rabid Snake posted:

okay friend, its like you read the first couple words and posted

theres some other way to post?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://imemc.org/article/norman-finkelstein-the-two-state-solution-is-dead/ posted:

On the prospect of a one-state solution to the conflict, he remains skeptical. He said: I don’t see any political basis for it. Can you show me one country in the world that supports it? Can you show me one representative political institution that supports it? Can you show me one legal institution that supports it? Can you show me one major human rights organization that supports it? Can you show me, incidentally, one political party that supports it? I’m talking about leftist political parties.

Of advocates of the one-state solution, he said: These are posers… and fantasists. It’s nothing to do with politics… Is there at this point in time any likelihood that the consensus is going to radically shift in the near future or foreseeable future? I don’t see evidence of it… Politics is not like a baby shaking a rattle: ‘This is what I want’. Politics is what you desire, for sure. It’s aspirational. But it’s always constrained by what’s possible at the given moment; what’s the most you can extract from the given moment that will bring you closer to the future that you aspire to?

Finkelstein concluded by affirming that he doesn’t support the system of nation-states at all, but that this is not on the cards at this point in history: So I don’t support two states. Actually, I don’t support one state. I support no states. That’s the future to which I aspire. I think it’s the only rational future. You can’t solve any of the problems confronting humanity today, beginning with climate change, within the framework of… nation states… But I also recognize that, within the current moment, we can’t extract anything that doesn’t function within the world of nation states. And we have to accept that, even though we recognize, as an ultimate solution, that nation states have to go.

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mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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I don't get how the 1 state solution is more fantastical than there not being any more states.

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