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Rarity posted:I enjoy the other one being "wins and losses don't matter" Said by the same guy who held up Goldberg as an example of how things should be done, no less.
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Oh FFS. 1. Saying "they still think almost every match on TV has to be some 10-15 minute classic" as if 10-15 minutes is remotely long for a TV match is an amazing case of WWE brain worms. Especially since the best periods of the three hour Raw era have all been built around 15-20 minute matches. 2. "Companies generally fail because they try to be something too different than WWE, usually by catering to the small 10% of the audience that loves work rate more than storylines" is just...not true? TNA's business peak was when they made a concerted effort to be less like WWE. 3. However, "they align with...some international promotion like NJPW that virtually nobody in the States cares about" is even more ahistorical than that because WCW HAD A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH NJPW FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE MONDAY NIGHT WAR. Something that was literally brought up on Dynamite this week in the context of Yuji Nagata's learning excursion. Never mind that the cruiserweight division's variety with talent from AAA, CMLL, Promo Azteca, NJPW, and WAR was a piece of the puzzle that led to WCW having the most financially successful year IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING up to that point. loving brain worms....
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quote:1. Saying "they still think almost every match on TV has to be some 10-15 minute classic" as if 10-15 minutes is remotely long for a TV match is an amazing case of WWE brain worms. Especially since the best periods of the three hour Raw era have all been built around 15-20 minute matches. Maybe the last truly popular era of WWE was that 2012-14 window built around the Shield and Daniel Bryan putting on TV clinics every week. If you wanna be generous, maybe 2016 Smackdown with AJ Styles on top. NXT built a devoted following by just having great matches with no bullshit. Good wrestling still draws, despite what the Vincels will have you believe.
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It's also kind of wrong because AEW has plenty of matches, even sometimes on Dynamite, which are foregone conclusions? You know when the title card is "Britt Baker in action" that she's going to beat up someone who's mostly at jobber level, and that's fine, the jobber gets to show off a little and maybe later we'll see her as a legit contender. But they stage it in a way that's at least fun. Like they definitely do short matches when they want to, they're just mostly on Elevation and Dark.
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Maxwell Lord posted:It's also kind of wrong because AEW has plenty of matches, even sometimes on Dynamite, which are foregone conclusions? You know when the title card is "Britt Baker in action" that she's going to beat up someone who's mostly at jobber level, and that's fine, the jobber gets to show off a little and maybe later we'll see her as a legit contender. But they stage it in a way that's at least fun. remember when they swerved us with the X in Action by doing it with Anna Jay in Action and had a whole amazing hype video of this working girl following her dreams and then her opponent was ABADDON
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Maxwell Lord posted:It's also kind of wrong because AEW has plenty of matches, even sometimes on Dynamite, which are foregone conclusions? You know when the title card is "Britt Baker in action" that she's going to beat up someone who's mostly at jobber level, and that's fine, the jobber gets to show off a little and maybe later we'll see her as a legit contender. But they stage it in a way that's at least fun. As recently as the April 21 Dynamite you had a show where literally every match on the card was a foregone conclusion, but nobody minded because most of the matches were great.
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This may be a hot take, but I actually like that a lot of AEW matches are predictable because it makes the upsets a lot more shocking when they do happen.
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I've genuinely really enjoyed AEW's approach to their booking where they set up an obvious result, but the promos and segments leading up to the match make you think they'll do the non-obvious thing. Realistically, was Eddie going to beat Mox for the title at Full Gear? No, but I thought it could happen going into the match.
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Benne posted:Maybe the last truly popular era of WWE was that 2012-14 window built around the Shield and Daniel Bryan putting on TV clinics every week.
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Stories should for the most part be predictable. Nobody would care about the MCU if half the movies ended with the hero getting punked out.
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Rarity posted:Stories should for the most part be predictable. Nobody would care about the MCU if half the movies ended with the hero getting punked out. Yeah, in a lot of ways predictable just means logical and makes sense. Captain America isn't going to lose to Batroc the Leaper, and Mox absolutely isn't going to lose to D3 or whatever, but it's still fun to watch.
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Cerebral Bore posted:This may be a hot take, but I actually like that a lot of AEW matches are predictable because it makes the upsets a lot more shocking when they do happen. Pylons posted:I've genuinely really enjoyed AEW's approach to their booking where they set up an obvious result, but the promos and segments leading up to the match make you think they'll do the non-obvious thing. Realistically, was Eddie going to beat Mox for the title at Full Gear? No, but I thought it could happen going into the match. What I really enjoy about AEW's booking is yeah, the outcome of the matches may be predicable, but if they go with the "upset", it still makes sense, and can be a satisfying result.
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May 14, 2021 15:17
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Not sure if this counts but to me some of the best RAWs and SDs from recent memory had really loving long matches (the Seth gauntlet, the Kofimania stuff, etc).
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Rarity posted:Stories should for the most part be predictable. Nobody would care about the MCU if half the movies ended with the hero getting punked out. when will we get the twin peaks of wrestling
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May 14, 2021 15:34
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i will also accept the el topo of wrestling
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AEW working dudes into shoots is proof their wrestling is better than WWE's
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coconono posted:AEW working dudes into shoots is proof their wrestling is better than WWE's it does feel like every single AEW segment generates days of discussion while WWE plays train noises over braun strowman running around the ring and everyone forgets about it in 15 minutes edit: I’m speaking broadly about internet wrestling discussion, not necessarily here
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davidbix posted:That TV as Punk retires, Bryan gets hurt, The Shield breaks up, and eventually A.J. Lee retires to join Punk was just painful to watch. Like watching a car crash in slow motion, only the car is full of adorable puppies. The degree to which the shows were carried by those four acts (and I phrase it that way because all 3 Shield members stuck around, just in completely different forms) wasn't fully apparent while they were all there. (At least past their reliance on A.J. as a ratings draw at one point, which it feels like everyone has forgotten.) But once they were gone? Good lord. Has there been any point since the breakup of The Shield where Raw was consistently even decent? JeriKO and Braun before we all realized how much he sucked were fun.
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Every one of these WWE Universe members posting hate on other promotions just reminds me of this WWE on Hulu ad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzltiVDVb5M "Don't get it twisted, I'm not a wrestling fan. I'm a WWE fan."
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Destroy My Sweater posted:Not sure if this counts but to me some of the best RAWs and SDs from recent memory had really loving long matches (the Seth gauntlet, the Kofimania stuff, etc). if anything that's proof positive that if they would just let wrestlers go out and wrestle then they can put on a good show
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uninstall twitter
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JOHN CENA posted:uninstall twitter 
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May 14, 2021 18:56
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the cops stopped calling my house as soon as I stopped tweeting.
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MJeff posted:JeriKO and Braun before we all realized how much he sucked were fun.
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May 14, 2021 18:58
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There was a royal rumble several years ago where Braun’s music hit and Jericho sold it like he poo poo his pants in fear.
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https://twitter.com/tholzerman/status/1393230921659260931?s=21
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lmao
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Lol goooood that guy sucks. Also, WWE, Fox and NBCU totally no-sold the "pro Israel groups" that called them to bitch about Sami anyway. Of course they wouldn't do me a favor by being cowards and firing him. MJeff fucked around with this message at 19:13 on May 14, 2021 |
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nah I'm p.sure Sami's got his exit strategy all lined up. step 1. reopen pwtees store step 2. get mask fitted step 3. text bouncing souls guys step 4. profit
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bouncing souls no one can beat us wait a month for no compete clause
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RealFoxy posted:Braun showing up like Tyrant from Resident Evil, screaming "I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU YET" was such a good niche for him. They really almost had a new old-school Kane but they decided that he was going to die in a swamp because he has a crush on Alexa Bliss. Braun owned himself even before that point by taking the worst parts of Seth Rollins and worst parts of Baron Corbin on twitter and doing it himself.
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The Anti Crack Account, baby! https://twitter.com/OGJOHNNY5/status/1393246965073289221
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only black people are allowed to be in gangs, what?
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Two Beans posted:Every one of these WWE Universe members posting hate on other promotions just reminds me of this WWE on Hulu ad. Holy poo poo I've never seen this before
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The idea that Sami wouldn’t get immediately scooped up by any company he wanted is so laughable
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imagine quitting your job to watch raw of all things
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mooseinfants posted:imagine quitting your job to watch raw of all things yo I'd quit walmart for a drug addiction
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https://twitter.com/mongo_ebooks/status/1393394364404178949
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I thought we weren't meant to post lovely goon opinions in this thread 
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its from twitter it doesnt count, rule explicitly states this forum. dont try to get me into trouble rarity.
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