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Peewi
Nov 8, 2012

As I sometimes do, I've been speedrunning Bionic Commando (2009) recently and even streaming it sometimes.

I've improved my personal best multiple times multiple times in the last month and just now I got my first sub-hour run with 59:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woLQ8yHNs9A

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ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
bc2k9 ftw

LLCoolJD
Dec 8, 2007

Musk threatens the inorganic promotion of left-wing ideology that had been taking place on the platform

Block me for being an unironic DeSantis fan, too!

Peewi posted:

As I sometimes do, I've been speedrunning Bionic Commando (2009) recently and even streaming it sometimes.

I've improved my personal best multiple times multiple times in the last month and just now I got my first sub-hour run with 59:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woLQ8yHNs9A

Nice work, that's a long run and < 20 seconds away from the WR. :thumbsup:

MURPHAGATOR!
Apr 6, 2013

Another busy day at the
Fight House.
Oh sick; cutting the hour mark is a nice place to be

Peewi
Nov 8, 2012

MURPHAGATOR! posted:

Oh sick; cutting the hour mark is a nice place to be

Now if only I could actually explain what I've been doing different other than "I guess I did the swinging better than before" and "I didn't die in one of the levels where it'll cost a minute".

I did actually move my game install to an SSD recently after having experienced some randomly long load times. Today I measured the load times in a recent run and an old run and the SSD seemed to shorten the load times by around 25 seconds across the whole run.

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Anyone know what the deal with the youtube speedrunner horheristo is?

He has a ton of videos for different action games with no hit/speedruns which is cool, but apparently he's a huge jackass who has cheated and has an onlyfans full of stolen art? Is he like, an infamous figure or something?

SeXReX
Jan 9, 2009

I drink, mostly.
And get mad at people on the internet


:emptyquote:

Acerbatus posted:

Anyone know what the deal with the youtube speedrunner horheristo is?

He has a ton of videos for different action games with no hit/speedruns which is cool, but apparently he's a huge jackass who has cheated and has an onlyfans full of stolen art? Is he like, an infamous figure or something?

I don't know much past them being a huge rear end in a top hat with incredibly toxic views on gaming and achievements.

One of the first people banned from the Celeste discord.

Ultima66
Sep 2, 2008

Acerbatus posted:

Anyone know what the deal with the youtube speedrunner horheristo is?

He has a ton of videos for different action games with no hit/speedruns which is cool, but apparently he's a huge jackass who has cheated and has an onlyfans full of stolen art? Is he like, an infamous figure or something?

If you watched the Fireborn video on him, that's pretty much all you need to know.

If you didn't, the tl;dr is that he is good at games but also chases what he pretends are world records by making up categories no one else runs and also claiming that no one else is actually doing a fair speedrun of games because he's the only one who doesn't practice and can still do well at games. The example in the video of him notably pissing off a community about a big debacle with the Nuclear Throne community where Nuclear Throne community said that they don't mind people posting runs as alts and taking up multiple slots on the leaderboards to some extent, but just to let the mods know who your alts are if you're going to do that so it's easier on the mods for verification. Horheristo of course decides to make a lot of alts, flood the leaderboards, and refuse to admit that any of the alts are his, while calling everyone else a bunch of jealous babies for questioning him on it.

And yes, he claims that every other speedrunner is a tryhard with no actual skill because they spend time practicing a game, and he's actually the best speedrunner because he only speedruns games he doesn't practice. In fact, he very obviously has alt Steam accounts where he buys games multiple times so that he can rack up a lot of hours practicing a game, and then buys the game on his main account so he can show off how few hours he spent practicing the game. And he has definitely posted videos with splices/cheats on or whatever, because of course this guy has.

Also yes he made an OnlyFans and makes a lot of money posting playthroughs of porn games on it because Youtube started shutting down his revenue stream for posting "censored" videos of porn games, which in a sense is selling stolen art. I mean, calling it stolen art is loose because it's as much stolen art as any longplay, but it does sound more dramatic when you call it that.

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

What a bizarre concept. It's like thinking a 4th grade band is better than the London Symphony, because the symphony members have "cheated" with their decades of practice.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
it's like thinking that you personally are the best musician in the history of the world despite being in fourth grade and only playing once a month when you go to your friend's house who has a guitar

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.
My race was mercy killed last night after I was instakilled (via crowd control) like 4 times in tourian.

Musical_Daredevil
Dec 23, 2008

Need some backup NOW!
I'm up in about an hour with Morrowind for the marathon benefitting No Child Hungry.

https://www.twitch.tv/speedgaming

Potsticker
Jan 14, 2006


There's some weird notion that people have that you're only good at something if you don't work at it, which is absolutely bizarre. Like you don't study art or writing or engineering or whatever and if you're do you're just stealing ideas. It seems incredibly immature and yet somehow there are people who make it to 30+ and still hold these ideals and its just baffling. Even stupider in the case where the person is doing the work and then actively denying that they are.

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.
A lot of people think you have to be 100% original never seen before and if you're not you're a failure then they double down on that idiocy and say they independently came up with <whatever> when you ask them to cite their sources.

Peewi
Nov 8, 2012

Musical_Daredevil posted:

I'm up in about an hour with Morrowind for the marathon benefitting No Child Hungry.

https://www.twitch.tv/speedgaming

Run seemed neat, though I can't really claim to have understood it.

heehee
Sep 5, 2012

haha wow i cant believe how lucky we got to win :D
https://twitch.tv/zfg1 175 guay hover started

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Potsticker posted:

There's some weird notion that people have that you're only good at something if you don't work at it, which is absolutely bizarre. Like you don't study art or writing or engineering or whatever and if you're do you're just stealing ideas. It seems incredibly immature and yet somehow there are people who make it to 30+ and still hold these ideals and its just baffling. Even stupider in the case where the person is doing the work and then actively denying that they are.

It's an idea that often gets handed down to kids at school I think. You're told that you're smart because you like reading, maths, whatever and of course when you're like 12 or 15 or whatever years old you don't really realise that all the reading you do for enjoyment or the years you've spent actually paying attention in maths class is the same thing as "practice", so you get this idea that youre just naturally smart because you sure as hell don't have to try hard at school. And of course the idea of being "naturally" talented or smart feeds perfectly into a young teenager's self-image, and goes hand in hand with the kind of aggressive apathy that you need to regard school with in order to survive it.

Anyway the result is this distorted notion that only "natural" ability is praiseworthy and that trying hard to be good at something is for losers.

Potsticker
Jan 14, 2006


bike tory posted:

It's an idea that often gets handed down to kids at school I think. You're told that you're smart because you like reading, maths, whatever and of course when you're like 12 or 15 or whatever years old you don't really realise that all the reading you do for enjoyment or the years you've spent actually paying attention in maths class is the same thing as "practice", so you get this idea that youre just naturally smart because you sure as hell don't have to try hard at school. And of course the idea of being "naturally" talented or smart feeds perfectly into a young teenager's self-image, and goes hand in hand with the kind of aggressive apathy that you need to regard school with in order to survive it.

Anyway the result is this distorted notion that only "natural" ability is praiseworthy and that trying hard to be good at something is for losers.

That is pretty insightful. Thanks.

TeaJay
Oct 9, 2012


Musical_Daredevil posted:

I'm up in about an hour with Morrowind for the marathon benefitting No Child Hungry.

https://www.twitch.tv/speedgaming

The charity marathon will be on for a few days more, so be sure to check it out!

http://speedgaming.org/nokidhungry/

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Potsticker posted:

There's some weird notion that people have that you're only good at something if you don't work at it, which is absolutely bizarre. Like you don't study art or writing or engineering or whatever and if you're do you're just stealing ideas. It seems incredibly immature and yet somehow there are people who make it to 30+ and still hold these ideals and its just baffling. Even stupider in the case where the person is doing the work and then actively denying that they are.
"I'm one of the few people you'll meet who's written more books than they've read." -- Garth Marengi, legendary horror author.

dirby
Sep 21, 2004


Helping goons with math

Potsticker posted:

That is pretty insightful. Thanks.

The key phrase (often brought up in the education world) is "fixed mindset vs. growth mindset". It's talked about a lot with mathematics, but it's endemic across subjects, including video games.

I used to think I'd never be able to beat megaman/contra-style games because I'd tried some hard ones a tiny bit, failed, and gave up. I imagine a lot of people think they could never speedrun games when they just need to do some scaffolded practice.

dirby fucked around with this message at 11:41 on May 14, 2021

SeXReX
Jan 9, 2009

I drink, mostly.
And get mad at people on the internet


:emptyquote:

dirby posted:

I imagine a lot of people think they could never speedrun games when they just need to do some scaffolded practice.

for a long time the scene of sharing video game accomplishments was dominated by people driven by ego who spread the idea that what they were doing was something special only they could when in reality just about anyone who has the motivation to put in the work to practice and grind out attempts at something can achieve so many things. Thankfully the culture is shifting, and more people at the top are spreading that message that anyone can do it.

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010
👨🏻‍⚕️🩺🔪🙀😱🙀
Speedrunning is way more accessible than it's made out to be. You get like 3 or 4 runs in to most games and you're like 95% of the way there.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

SeXReX posted:

for a long time the scene of sharing video game accomplishments was dominated by people driven by ego who spread the idea that what they were doing was something special only they could when in reality just about anyone who has the motivation to put in the work to practice and grind out attempts at something can achieve so many things. Thankfully the culture is shifting, and more people at the top are spreading that message that anyone can do it.

This is especially funny since when i think of that era of people being titans, i think of like early early speedrunning like todd rogers and billy mitchell, ya know, people who cheated

Dr. Stab
Sep 12, 2010
👨🏻‍⚕️🩺🔪🙀😱🙀
I think the default response to someone having wr in a game is "this guy is a gaming god." No, he's just the only guy who wanted to dedicate 20 hours to routing and practicing a barbie game. Some people do put in the thousands of hours to get really hyper good at a game, but that's only part of what it can be. To me, a lot of speedrunning is figuring out what you can do in the game to go fast and getting a run you feel you're satisfied with and moving on (until the itch drags you back in).

Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time
Three of my good friends will be participating in a multi-game co-op randomizer run after the Ninban/MKI crowd control race on the SpeedGaming channel. They'll be playing LTTPR, and a group of three people will be playing Factorio. They're using software developed by Berserker to allow you to play completely different games randomized co-operatively, called Archipelago. The three LTTP players can find Factorio techs, the Factorio players can research LTTP items, etc.

Should be a good time! https://twitch.tv/speedgaming

Frida Call Me fucked around with this message at 01:05 on May 15, 2021

SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.
i have my doubts about horehisto or however you spell that even being as good at games as he likes to portray because he's had past incidents of obviously cheated/spliced play whenever he posts footage of speciality genres like shmups or rhythm games where attempts to dubiously fudge your playing become a shitton more obvious to people with the discerning eye

Like, I specifically recall he posted a highest difficulty no miss of Jamestown, a thing absolutely nobody had done before at the time and him not being well known for exceptional shmup play and his video was full of obvious TAS-tier type movement. It's since been deleted because too many people called bullshit on it.

he's a full fraud imo. i have an opinion on this topic because I've bumped into his rear end on multiple occasion and he's both an rear end in a top hat and an rear end in a top hat who can't walk the walk in a live environment

MagusofStars
Mar 31, 2012



Frida Call Me posted:

Three of my good friends will be participating in a multi-game co-op randomizer run after the Rywek/SlimKirby crowd control race on the SpeedGaming channel. They'll be playing LTTPR, and a group of three people will be playing Factorio. They're using software developed by Berserker to allow you to play completely different games randomized co-operatively, called Archipelago. The three LTTP players can find Factorio techs, the Factorio players can research LTTP items, etc.
If you haven't yet seen this multi-game co-op, it's a trip. I've been a part of a couple of multiworlds of this with the main dev Berserker and several of the people running tonight and it's a lot of fun. Would highly recommend the watch.

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy

Frida Call Me posted:

Three of my good friends will be participating in a multi-game co-op randomizer run after the Ninban/MKI crowd control race on the SpeedGaming channel. They'll be playing LTTPR, and a group of three people will be playing Factorio. They're using software developed by Berserker to allow you to play completely different games randomized co-operatively, called Archipelago. The three LTTP players can find Factorio techs, the Factorio players can research LTTP items, etc.

What the loving poo poo

Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time

Renegret posted:

What the loving poo poo

We're 90 minutes in and I'm loving this, can't wait to see more games added to Archipelago.

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy

Frida Call Me posted:

We're 90 minutes in and I'm loving this, can't wait to see more games added to Archipelago.

I'll catch the VOD when it's done because I don't have time right now but anything Factorio is Extremely My poo poo

Frida Call Me
Sep 28, 2001

Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time

Renegret posted:

I'll catch the VOD when it's done because I don't have time right now but anything Factorio is Extremely My poo poo

https://twitch.tv/videos/1022977996?t=1541s The Factorio+LTTP co-op multiworld randomizer demo starts here

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Are there any solo multi-game randomisers yet? Like with seamless transitions between games via certain locations? I'm sure I remember seeing something like that being played a couple of years ago, like ALttP + Metroid, but it may have just been a fever dream.

SeXReX
Jan 9, 2009

I drink, mostly.
And get mad at people on the internet


:emptyquote:

bike tory posted:

Are there any solo multi-game randomisers yet? Like with seamless transitions between games via certain locations? I'm sure I remember seeing something like that being played a couple of years ago, like ALttP + Metroid, but it may have just been a fever dream.

Yeah m3z3 is the most popular one of those but if you scroll to the bottom of this list you can see some of the other crossovers that exist.

https://www.debigare.com/randomizers/

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



bike tory posted:

Are there any solo multi-game randomisers yet? Like with seamless transitions between games via certain locations? I'm sure I remember seeing something like that being played a couple of years ago, like ALttP + Metroid, but it may have just been a fever dream.
I also remember a LTTP + Super Metroid one.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

LTTP + Super Metroid was relatively easily to do because of some luck in how those games are laid out.

As it happens, one of the games only uses the lower half of memory addresses, and the other only uses the upper half. So really all they had to do to make this work is smush the ROMs together, add some code so you can pick up items from one game in the other, make portals between the two games, and then add the standard randomizer stuff.

I think it's unlikely things happen to fit in so neatly for any other pair of games so it would be a lot trickier to build.

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.
Minish cap rando is pretty good. I want a zero mission/MC crossover.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
Multi-game randomizers would be difficult to do as standard ROMs playable on actual consoles, but via emulation or the like they'd probably be pretty simple. The main problem is that you'd also need an emulator that could handle scripting and making the Lua scripts + hooks to support it. And then everyone would be stuck using some emulator when most people seem to prefer using actual consoles and flash carts.

Carbon dioxide posted:

As it happens, one of the games only uses the lower half of memory addresses, and the other only uses the upper half. So really all they had to do to make this work is smush the ROMs together, add some code so you can pick up items from one game in the other, make portals between the two games, and then add the standard randomizer stuff.

You can do similar things with NES ROMs via the various multi-cart mappers. Some multicarts support the most common normal mappers (MMC3, etc) but you'd still have to find a place to save the persistent data and handle switching games.

KennyMan666
May 27, 2010

The Saga

Summer Games Done Quick schedule is here: https://gamesdonequick.com/schedule

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Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

Not allowed to have nice things
70 Star SM64...blindfold, for 2 hours? :psyduck:

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