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Israel is going to keep doing what its been doing for decades, which is ethnic cleansing. the peace process is a smoke screen to buy more time to complete this aim. a one state solution is a pipe dream, even moreso than a two-state solution BDS is by far the best course of action
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May 14, 2021 19:54
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paul_soccer12 posted:do you think they open the cage in gaza and let all 2 million palestinians integrate into israel, or do they just keep trying to kill and expel them Any one state solution needs to include everyone in the west bank and gaza.
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May 14, 2021 19:54
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lol I was just looking for this last night https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1393278384722128898?s=20
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May 14, 2021 19:54
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mcmagic posted:Any one state solution needs to include everyone in the west bank and gaza. that is anathema to the israeli state project. they would go samson option before they let that happen because it would destroy the idea of israel as a jewish (ethno)state
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May 14, 2021 19:54
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paul_soccer12 posted:what do you think happens to the palestinians in the existing bantustans once the one state solution is adopted Fortunately, I am not saying the one state solution should happen: I am pointing out that pretending the two state solution is more "realistic" than any other solution is laughable, liberal zionists are lying when they say they would support a two state solution, and if anyone believes them they are an idiot.
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May 14, 2021 19:55
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paul_soccer12 posted:just cut off their funding and aid and watch them wither on the vine it's never been just about the aid, it's the fact that we're Israel's biggest trading partner and that we're basically the biggest source of commerce for them
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May 14, 2021 19:56
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Israel cannot do what it has been doing without the support of the (primarily) United States and (distant secondarily) other western nations like Germany and Canada If the US swaps its Iran policy with its Israel policy, israel is hosed.
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May 14, 2021 19:56
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paul_soccer12 posted:that is anathema to the israeli state project. they would go samson option before they let that happen because it would destroy the idea of israel as a jewish (ethno)state When I say one state solution, i mean a multiethnic state where everyone has equal voting and movement rights including all of Israel and the occupied territories. The "two state solution" is a fig leaf to what is going on now and completely unserious.
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May 14, 2021 19:56
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ok you dont know what youre talking about
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May 14, 2021 19:59
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Why is mcmagic posting in c-spam?
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May 14, 2021 20:01
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Nothing is going to happen to Israel. Eventually at some point the Palestinians will be effectively wiped out as a people. Then some years after the fact we'll look back on it with shame and indignation. We'll say we should have done something. We made mistakes but we've learned from. More than that, we've made changes. We'll promise that something like this will never happen again. And on it goes.
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May 14, 2021 20:01
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paperwind posted:Why is mcmagic posting in c-spam? we keep him in the succ thread like a pet, or an experiment
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May 14, 2021 20:02
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a good first step would be to "vote" "out" ( ) US politicians who enable Israels crimes and once their seats are open (from democracy voting) elect ones who dont scrape for AIPAC and will use their political power to gently caress over israel as much as possible with boycotts, divestment, and sanctions
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May 14, 2021 20:05
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if you voted for joe biden i hope your loving roof collapses on you in your sleep tonight
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May 14, 2021 20:06
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christmas boots posted:Nothing is going to happen to Israel. Eventually at some point the Palestinians will be effectively wiped out as a people. Then some years after the fact we'll look back on it with shame and indignation. We'll say we should have done something. We made mistakes but we've learned from. More than that, we've made changes. We'll promise that something like this will never happen again. And on it goes. I'm not saying "it's different this time" but it does feel like the nature of this conflict is shifting somewhat. Just the fact that there has been street fighting between Jews and Arabs in Israel is new, unexpected, and I guarantee has got heads spinning in Washington. It really does call into question the future viability of Israel as a coherent state. Yeah they can sit on the West Bank and Gaza forever as occupied territory, but what do they do when their enemies are their own citizens?
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May 14, 2021 20:08
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skip to like 2:25 https://twitter.com/DanielGHajjar/status/1393236365253484544?s=20
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May 14, 2021 20:09
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mcmagic posted:When I say one state solution, i mean a multiethnic state where everyone has equal voting and movement rights including all of Israel and the occupied territories. The "two state solution" is a fig leaf to what is going on now and completely unserious. israel has specifically stated that equal voting rights is one of their "israel has fallen" criteria, i.e. justification for the nukes to fly what we are seeing is just the latest cycle of what the idf calls "mowing the grass." every few years they deliberately precipitate some crisis / flashpoint, kill and maim a few thousand palestinians, destroy more of their critical infrastructure, steal a few more homes, and then go back to life as normal, until little by little there will be no more palestine at all. neither israel nor the israeli people have any desire for a multiethnic state Ramrod Hotshot posted:I'm not saying "it's different this time" but it does feel like the nature of this conflict is shifting somewhat. Just the fact that there has been street fighting between Jews and Arabs in Israel is new, unexpected, and I guarantee has got heads spinning in Washington. It really does call into question the future viability of Israel as a coherent state. Yeah they can sit on the West Bank and Gaza forever as occupied territory, but what do they do when their enemies are their own citizens? i would say all of the "lets mark all the homes of arab citizens in israel for targeted mob violence" and the fact that netanyahu just called for the administrative detention of israeli arabs (i.e. imprisonment without trial for crimes that haven't even been committed) is a pretty clear indicator of what they're going to do Grizzled Patriarch has issued a correction as of 20:13 on May 14, 2021 |
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May 14, 2021 20:09
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paul_soccer12 posted:if you voted for joe biden i hope your loving roof collapses on you in your sleep tonight
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May 14, 2021 20:10
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:I'm not saying "it's different this time" but it does feel like the nature of this conflict is shifting somewhat. Just the fact that there has been street fighting between Jews and Arabs in Israel is new, unexpected, and I guarantee has got heads spinning in Washington. It really does call into question the future viability of Israel as a coherent state. Yeah they can sit on the West Bank and Gaza forever as occupied territory, but what do they do when their enemies are their own citizens? I guess something about watching this unfold has crack-pinged me straight into "better things really aren't possible. Mankind is forever locked into a perpetuating cycle of ignoring atrocities and pretending to have learned something from them" I'd like to be wrong.
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May 14, 2021 20:12
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:israel has specifically stated that equal voting rights is one of their "israel has fallen" criteria, i.e. justification for the nukes to fly exactly
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May 14, 2021 20:12
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paul_soccer12 posted:if you voted for joe biden i hope your loving roof collapses on you in your sleep tonight
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May 14, 2021 20:15
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:israel has specifically stated that equal voting rights is one of their "israel has fallen" criteria, i.e. justification for the nukes to fly Yes I know all this. The point is that Israel cannot continue to exist as it currently does.
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May 14, 2021 20:17
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lol if true https://twitter.com/allushiii_new/status/1393277123549347847
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May 14, 2021 20:21
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the bappening
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May 14, 2021 20:24
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Jose posted:the EU loving sucks it is so loving baaaaaaaaaaad
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May 14, 2021 20:24
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Rah! posted:"nasheed" is the word ur looking for i think This isn't a nasheed. e: the one your responding to, not the one you posted. NICK CLEGG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkPyhcW5b7k
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May 14, 2021 20:25
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Jose posted:the EU loving sucks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZUVKa2dTnU
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May 14, 2021 20:30
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:israel has specifically stated that equal voting rights is one of their "israel has fallen" criteria, i.e. justification for the nukes to fly The Samson option is bullshit, and Israel won't let the nukes fly because they gave equal voting rights to Arabs in the occupied territories - because they'll never grant them. https://twitter.com/enn0lesh/status/1392970491678257153?s=20
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May 14, 2021 20:31
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Reminder that Bari didn't get invited to a single social event during her exile in Australia. One of the most deeply dislikable people on Earth.
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May 14, 2021 20:34
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:I'm not saying "it's different this time" but it does feel like the nature of this conflict is shifting somewhat. Just the fact that there has been street fighting between Jews and Arabs in Israel is new, unexpected, and I guarantee has got heads spinning in Washington. It really does call into question the future viability of Israel as a coherent state. Yeah they can sit on the West Bank and Gaza forever as occupied territory, but what do they do when their enemies are their own citizens? In hindsight it was only a matter of time before the non-Jewish residents in a Jewish ethnostate became its fifth column, and I wish them all the best in bringing down Israeli society from the inside. Are only Jews allowed to own firearms in Israel? OK baizuo has issued a correction as of 20:37 on May 14, 2021 |
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May 14, 2021 20:35
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hope it was painful
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May 14, 2021 20:41
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:
and if Israel Kristalnacht-ing their own citizens is the future of that country, it just doesn't indicate stability. It shows a regime on the defensive in a war that can never be won. Even in the 80s, I wonder if it looked like white rule in South Africa would last forever. Israel is obviously not going to go the same way, but I look at the events of the past few days and it just looks like the center cannot hold. In a similar vein I wonder if, after the recent violence dies down, Netanyahu will be forced out of office by American pressure. He induced this war for political reasons, after all, and the mob violence in Israel is going to be real hard to paper over (for PR reasons in the US, obviously Israelis don't give a poo poo). He could be a useful scapegoat so the media can say, "see? the bad man that was leading Israel down the path of fascism is gone, now it's ok to like Israel again"
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May 14, 2021 20:43
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OK baizuo posted:In hindsight it was only a matter of time before the non-Jewish residents in a Jewish ethnostate became its fifth column, and I wish them all the best in bringing down Israeli society from the inside. Technically no, but practically yes. There aren't even that many firearms in private circulation in Israel to begin with though, even after they lifted licensing restrictions. It's still way easier for Palestinians to get a firearm in Israel than the West Bank, legally or otherwise, because Israel isn't blockaded.
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May 14, 2021 20:44
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Zedhe Khoja posted:This isn't a nasheed. my bad. the dude asked about music in "islamist propaganda videos" and i was responding to that.
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May 14, 2021 20:48
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:and if Israel Kristalnacht-ing their own citizens is the future of that country, it just doesn't indicate stability. It shows a regime on the defensive in a war that can never be won. Even in the 80s, I wonder if it looked like white rule in South Africa would last forever. Israel is obviously not going to go the same way, but I look at the events of the past few days and it just looks like the center cannot hold. The violence always gets worse, and Israelis only ever move towards the right. If Netanyahu leaves office it's not going to be some peacenik who replaces him. There also hasn't been any Palestinian uprisings in Israel since the 2nd intifada, and that's a span of 20 years. So long as Israel doesn't do something absolutely outrageous like attacking Al-Aqsa worshippers on Ramadan, Arab citizens of Israel have more incentive not to rebel. Especially if rising up means they're gonna get kristallnacht'd. Israel is going to be a lot more resilient than any of us would like. Even if it comes to the absolutely worst case scenario, Arabs are only 20% of the population in Israel proper and they could always try a second Nakba before they give up on the Jewish ethnostate.
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May 14, 2021 20:51
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 This reminds me of milgoons and other US Soldiers ironically laughing it up about how they kill babies, just utter filth
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May 14, 2021 20:51
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mcmagic posted:Yes I know all this. The point is that Israel cannot continue to exist as it currently does. you’re right. Eventually they will complete their genocide
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May 14, 2021 20:56
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Good Citizen posted:you’re right. Eventually they will complete their genocide Apartheid South Africa was overthrown. It's not an inevitability.
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