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looks like onion rings and cabbage with sour cream (NOT vegan) on a tortilla anyway i have to go to a 7 hour sword fight practice in the public park. i'll give some more thought to your case while im there.
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May 15, 2021 13:24
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don’t fret too much, you’re a bit silly
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May 15, 2021 13:37
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Just do what Clarence does and eat like a giant pig gorging on super unhealthy stuff, but pick the vegan options. Shovel vegan mac and cheese bites and pizzas into your maw all day long and chase your workouts with pea protein powder and a gallon of chocolate soymilk Sure he juices but so does everybody at that level
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May 15, 2021 13:39
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Larry Parrish posted:they said if 50% of people stopped eating meat it would eventually equal out to 50% less animals being farmed. i explained that it was a dumbass concept that makes no sense unless you literally meant 50% of all people everywhere, and equally distributed. at which point why even say it? but anyway idk if you can't read or what. stfu bitch. he can’t read
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May 15, 2021 13:56
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:the best kind of change is incremental and so slow you barely notice it We'll be priced out of meat like we're getting priced out of homes.
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May 15, 2021 14:01
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*out here getting completely roasted in the park by cyclists and ultimate frisbee dudes* “buh buh but im not even vegan” Epic High Five posted:Just do what Clarence does and eat like a giant pig gorging on super unhealthy stuff, but pick the vegan options. Shovel vegan mac and cheese bites and pizzas into your maw all day long and chase your workouts with pea protein powder and a gallon of chocolate soymilk ultimately i’d guess it’s like any other sort of diet discipline and there’s a reason the vast majority of people just cant maintain one
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May 15, 2021 14:01
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also i think it’s rude baw said it’s stupid to be raw vegan. who ar eyou to make people cook their food if they dont want
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May 15, 2021 14:05
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jarofpiss posted:your entire food base is a pretty huge personal project that i’m not motivated to tackle on top of everything else ive got going on at this point in time. Yeah, I've been trying to switch and it's a bear. That said, I've been partial to: [Fewer Choices] → [More Freedom] (And it's even helping circumvent what could probably be characterized as food addiction issues, too. ) But I've managed to go vegan for breakfast. I'm free from having to clean up breakfast grease. I'm free from spending too much on breakfast. I'm free from the implications of eating animal products every morning, implications on health and suffering and so on and so on. (Bonus Round: I'm free of the, uh, realities of a low fiber diet.) There is freedom in simplicity. There is freedom in renouncement. There is freedom in leaving yourself only good options, so you can just putz through while worrying about better things (thanks, past-me!). Like this monk discussing hair (5:31 - 7:15): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h71kUZBoD2s&t=331s I want the domain of food to feel light and free and without turpitude. I want to feel light and free and without turpitude.
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May 15, 2021 14:22
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jarofpiss posted:also i think it’s rude baw said it’s stupid to be raw vegan. who ar eyou to make people cook their food if they dont want it doesnt provide any benefits, it just means that your food isnt going to be as good as cooked food if your goal is to eat things that dont taste good, go for it i guess
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my experience with those types is that once you hear it, you're probably 5 minutes from hearing they're a raw water advocate or similar do they have like vegan roadkill exceptions, like if they stumble on a brick of tofu cooked by a nearby volcanic vent, it's okay to eat?
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May 15, 2021 15:24
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I think one thing veganism lack that many other movements have is just a fundamental clearly articulated reason for being. These discussions always devolve into pointless hair-splitting because there just is no goal upon which many people can come together and agree. Is it animal suffering? Is it killing animals? Is it health? Taste? Economics? Is it environmental concern? Greenhouse gasses? If there was one clear and unambiguous moral argument wouldn't this have been articulated by now? Why are there always these qualifiers and exceptions?
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May 15, 2021 15:27
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Epic High Five posted:my experience with those types is that once you hear it, you're probably 5 minutes from hearing they're a raw water advocate or similar i mean technically that should be fine, same with eating meat that you find on the ground or in the garbage. hell, maybe even leftovers that would otherwise be thrown out, since in all those scenarios youre not creating additional demand for animal products
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May 15, 2021 15:28
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antipope posted:I think one thing veganism lack that many other movements have is just a fundamental clearly articulated reason for being. These discussions always devolve into pointless hair-splitting because there just is no goal upon which many people can come together and agree. Is it animal suffering? Is it killing animals? Is it health? Taste? Economics? Is it environmental concern? Greenhouse gasses? If there was one clear and unambiguous moral argument wouldn't this have been articulated by now? Why are there always these qualifiers and exceptions? it's because I hate chuds and want to make them angry and miserable
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May 15, 2021 15:28
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they don't know how to make food they like without meat and I do, the asymmetry of power here is in my favor and I intend to follow the teachings of Mao in this regard and maximize the force I can apply on the conditions I can best influence
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May 15, 2021 15:30
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antipope posted:I think one thing veganism lack that many other movements have is just a fundamental clearly articulated reason for being. These discussions always devolve into pointless hair-splitting because there just is no goal upon which many people can come together and agree. Is it animal suffering? Is it killing animals? Is it health? Taste? Economics? Is it environmental concern? Greenhouse gasses? If there was one clear and unambiguous moral argument wouldn't this have been articulated by now? Why are there always these qualifiers and exceptions?
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May 15, 2021 15:47
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antipope posted:I think one thing veganism lack that many other movements have is just a fundamental clearly articulated reason for being. These discussions always devolve into pointless hair-splitting because there just is no goal upon which many people can come together and agree. Is it animal suffering? Is it killing animals? Is it health? Taste? Economics? Is it environmental concern? Greenhouse gasses? If there was one clear and unambiguous moral argument wouldn't this have been articulated by now? Why are there always these qualifiers and exceptions? What do you require of others? How much do you require others' death and suffering? In my mind, there's a number of angles but I feel like that should be the big one. How much of what you have is paid for with the lives of others? Either their ruin or their end?
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May 15, 2021 16:00
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Roadkill isn’t vegan, that’s silly and stupid. If someone says it is you can tell they don’t know what they’re talking about.
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May 15, 2021 16:28
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some sort of fish posted:also very weird to see market based arguments from leftists. maybe we should do a meat tax too Leftism is believing markets don’t exist and pigouvian taxes can’t do anything
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May 15, 2021 16:44
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Epic High Five posted:they don't know how to make food they like without meat and I do, the asymmetry of power here is in my favor and I intend to follow the teachings of Mao in this regard and maximize the force I can apply on the conditions I can best influence i don't know how to do it without dairy, personally. well i do but I don't want to actually.
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May 15, 2021 17:23
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antipope posted:I think one thing veganism lack that many other movements have is just a fundamental clearly articulated reason for being. These discussions always devolve into pointless hair-splitting because there just is no goal upon which many people can come together and agree. Is it animal suffering? Is it killing animals? Is it health? Taste? Economics? Is it environmental concern? Greenhouse gasses? If there was one clear and unambiguous moral argument wouldn't this have been articulated by now? Why are there always these qualifiers and exceptions? both animal welfare and emissions reduction are valid arguments for veganism, and they can work in tandem Hashy posted:The environmental and animal welfare reasons each are enough for every person on earth to go vegan tomorrow. Which one do you recommend we pick? heckin' this
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Fortaleza posted:Roadkill isn’t vegan, that’s silly and stupid. If someone says it is you can tell they don’t know what they’re talking about. In the dystopian future where factory farmed meat is outlawed, one man takes his meat into his own hands by running down as many deer as possible. If I could eat nothing but Indian and Thai food I could probably do at least vegetarianism, maybe even veganism. Alas, I live in the sticks where there's no food like that and am a bad and lazy cook.
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May 15, 2021 22:25
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baw posted:ok well i'll help you along you can pry my meat from my warm living hand
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May 15, 2021 22:37
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I dont know if you know what sheep get up to on a farm. Its pretty sweet. They have one bad day in their lives.
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May 16, 2021 00:42
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I mean, fundamentally, from my limited engagement with the moral logic, what any vegan is asking for is for humans to hold themselves to a higher standard than, like, what 30% of all life on earth? I mean if it was such a good and oh so sustainable idea, why are there any carnivores left at all? Surely the lions would have eaten all the antelope ages ago?
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May 16, 2021 00:47
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Theres something really fundamentally obnoxious in the statement - we humans are the most moral beings on the planet. Cats and dogs should also be made to eat lettuce? Idk the whole argument for veganism is just so specious right from the get go.
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May 16, 2021 00:50
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Well, no, its actually worse. What vegans are asking is for humans to starve themselves out of existence with a diet totally inappropriate for their fundamental physiology. Lets not forget, there are essential proteins and fats that cannot be found in vegetable foods.
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May 16, 2021 00:55
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antipope posted:Well, no, its actually worse. What vegans are asking is for humans to starve themselves out of existence with a diet totally inappropriate for their fundamental physiology. Lets not forget, there are essential proteins and fats that cannot be found in vegetable foods. like what?
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corgiwizard posted:like what? Vitamin B12 - it was first synthesised in the 1950s. We know that hitherto all human societies were not strictly vegan, because this nutrient wasn't available from non-animal sources until then. Vitamin K2 is also not found in plant sources capable of meeting dietary guidelines. The essential omega 3 fat ALA is converted to DHA and EPA very poorly in humans - there is no scientific consensus but somewhere between 0-10% tops. It is therefore impossible to attain the appropriate ratio of omega 3 fats from vegetable sources, not to mention the extremely high concentration of the pro-inflammatory omega-6 fats you consume if you try (which compete with and displace omega-3s wrt bioavailability) The same argument accrues for protein, although its even more complicated. Plant proteins are not complete, although the human body is able to synthesise most of what it needs. The studies on protein often use nitrogen excretion as a correlate of protein content, but this is not reflective of protein uptake or synthesis. Not that any of this is even important, because, on a macro scale, there are just no whole plant foods which contain the appropriate fat to protein to carbohydrate ration (which is something like 60>40>0). Only animal foods do that. Carbohydrate is not an essential nutrient.
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All of the so called evidence quoted in the most prestigious journals in support of veganism is based on flawed epidemiology and industry pabulum. When I say vegan diets are hegemonic I actually mean that - meat consumption is being totally demonised by insane anti-science ideologues who are running rampant at the highest levels of government. But it is all nonsense as any person with a shred of common sense, or any scientific literacy will tell you. As I explained above there is no scientific evidence in support of veganism - it has never been done.
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May 16, 2021 02:13
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NknJ2vBuGqM&t=597s
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May 16, 2021 02:28
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The most insidious aspect of any so called moral arguments is that they are totally immune to evidence to the contrary. The believer already knows they are 'right'. Any infringement can automatically be discounted as 'wrong'. So you will never actually convince anyone - the best you can do is convince yourself, and remain open to further evidence. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 16, 2021 02:52
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Veganism 101* is not a counter to Veganism. * What you're suddenly missing and how to get it.
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May 16, 2021 03:43
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aha are we actually getting into a “plant protein isn’t really protein” argument how the gently caress am I even alive being vegan, according to meat eaters I should have died long ago
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May 16, 2021 04:02
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antipope posted:The most insidious aspect of any so called moral arguments is that they are totally immune to evidence to the contrary. The believer already knows they are 'right'. Any infringement can automatically be discounted as 'wrong'. So you will never actually convince anyone - the best you can do is convince yourself, and remain open to further evidence. Tch... swedes
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Do it ironically posted:aha are we actually getting into a “plant protein isn’t really protein” argument I am personally dying from b12 deficiency.
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