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Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

Rolo posted:

Apparently R7 photos are already leaking.

Spoilers because maybe people don’t want to see JPEG rumors. Looks legit though.





If that HID bulb doesn't pan left and right as you go round corners then what's even the point

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Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?
I actually like the cyclops eye with a fairing around it.

If it gets revealed next week to be the MT07 motor with decent suspension and sub 9k pricing I think I’m gonna buy it.

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

Wow, they aren't loving around with the ergos on that thing.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
it does look good but it also looks like the MT-07 killed the R6 and is now wearing its skin, with a new number hastily stencilled on to avert suspicion

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002
Looks good. Wonder what it will cost to insure, given it's way down on power from the 600cc supersports but is an R bike.

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 
Looks really nice IMO.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

Renaissance Robot posted:

If that HID bulb doesn't pan left and right as you go round corners then what's even the point



If my 9-year-old Mazda can deflect its headlights why not the bike

Also, get out of my head, the first thing I thought was "Zaku"

Phy fucked around with this message at 17:23 on May 14, 2021

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.
Yamaha stop besmirching the R7 name with whatever this is if it's not an OW02 successor.

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



LimaBiker posted:

Back from a test ride on the KTM Duke 890R.

I was just going to post and ask if considering one of these is a horrible idea

mewse
May 2, 2006

Rolo posted:

I actually like the cyclops eye with a fairing around it.

:agreed: I'd prefer a small single headlight over the side-by-side dual lens thing a lot of companies were/are going with (ninja 400 why u so ugly)

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

MomJeans420 posted:

I was just going to post and ask if considering one of these is a horrible idea

How’s the hand doing?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Yuns posted:

Yamaha stop besmirching the R7 name with whatever this is if it's not an OW02 successor.

Surely an OWO2 successor would be an dangerous piece of poo poo that you can only ride with a helmet-full of Japanese ephedrine?

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Yuns posted:

Yamaha stop besmirching the R7 name with whatever this is if it's not an OW02 successor.

This. The original R7 was too good for this planet

This bike should be the MT07-R or something like that

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 
Less OWO2

More UwU 07 :3:

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

This. The original R7 was too good for this planet

This bike should be the MT07-R or something like that

R6.9

TheBacon
Feb 8, 2012

#essereFerrari


nice

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




:nice:

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



Rolo posted:

How’s the hand doing?

It's improving! Believe it or not it's looking a lot better, massive reduction in the bruising although still swollen. I got the last of my sutures out yesterday but I'll have the pins for 3 to 5 more weeks, and my wife says it still looks like a zombie hand. I'm seeing a certified hand specialist for PT but it's crazy how tight the tendons are right now. I asked her when I'd be able to operate a clutch again but she just sighed and said I'd have to ask the doctor. I have a removable brace that keeps the joint at the base of my thumb from moving that I may have to keep wearing after the pins are out, but once the brace is gone I can start grabbing things.

In case anyone was wondering, having that pins and needles "hand fell asleep and is waking up" feeling 24/7 for three weeks is just as annoying as it sounds. Also, suture removal was not fun, both in the palm and in the ones holding my fingernail to my finger.

:nms: but suture free now


mewse
May 2, 2006

MomJeans420 posted:

In case anyone was wondering, having that pins and needles "hand fell asleep and is waking up" feeling 24/7 for three weeks is just as annoying as it sounds. Also, suture removal was not fun, both in the palm and in the ones holding my fingernail to my finger.

Did you have to have some nerves re-attached? I had a pretty gruesome kitchen knife accident last year and my left pinky still doesn't move right

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

LimaBiker posted:

Back from a test ride on the KTM Duke 890R.

It is so loving good. Holy poo poo.

Samish engine size, same 2 cylinders, same euro 5 compliance, same power but none of the lumpy low rev bucking the Ducati did. For a quick second i was afraid that the emissions stuff and overly economical mapping ruined engines, but the Duke 890 engine is seriously good.
It will happily overtake a truck doing 85km/h in top gear on full throttle without doing weird crap. Not that you need full throttle for that, but eh, why not. If the bike is fine with it, i'm fine with it.
It wil also happily do the same thing in a lower gear, over a little undulation in the road, lifting the front wheel for a few meters creating a big grin.

Goes through corners pretty similarly, though with the wide handlebars it's slightly lighter to handle in tight turns. I do miss the forward leaning position a bit, feels like there's not much to grab onto (except for the handle bars) when you accelerate hard.

Definitely less comfortable - the seat is a board of hard foam that looks good but isn't very comfy, speed humps and tree roots bash you around a bit, but i'm fine with it because drat.

And jesus christ. I could literally feel the pressure in my head do funky things on full acceleration. Utter madness, utterly delightful. I've heard about moto/car journalists bragging about that, but i never thought it was actually A Thing that seriously happpens.

If they don't fall apart and spend more time in the garage than on the road in 10 years time, i will definitely consider getting one second hand. But i've heard one to many horror stories to buy one anytime soon.
On the other hand, it's pointlessly fast in the land of a thousand speedtraps. I should've asked to ride the 390 too. I think i'd have more fun on that thing, rather than paranoidly staring at the speedo and scanning the soft shoulders for speed traps everytime i dare to touch the gas.

If it wouldn't lead to even worse to service bikes, that break even sooner, i'd tell Ducati to scrap their new 2 cyl engine and just spoon KTM's thing into their bikes. It's just a staggering difference.

Also FFS why is low/no ethanol Euro 98 already €1,90 per liter :(

MomJeans420 posted:

I was just going to post and ask if considering one of these is a horrible idea

here's a pic of my brother's SAR and his friend's 890 duke. he's ridden motocross longer / better than I have and streetbikes foe about as long as I have. he loved it. I enjoyed farting around town at a demo day on one, but I didn't get to really rip around on it, plus it was the 790 which is / was their first gen LC8c so obviously I wouldn't trust it as much as I'd trust a 2nd gen or even later



my brother loved it too though. best ptwin I've ever ridden by far

Coydog
Mar 5, 2007



Fallen Rib

LimaBiker posted:

Back from a test ride on the KTM Duke 890R.

It is so loving good. Holy poo poo.

Samish engine size, same 2 cylinders, same euro 5 compliance, same power but none of the lumpy low rev bucking the Ducati did. For a quick second i was afraid that the emissions stuff and overly economical mapping ruined engines, but the Duke 890 engine is seriously good.
It will happily overtake a truck doing 85km/h in top gear on full throttle without doing weird crap. Not that you need full throttle for that, but eh, why not. If the bike is fine with it, i'm fine with it.
It wil also happily do the same thing in a lower gear, over a little undulation in the road, lifting the front wheel for a few meters creating a big grin.

Goes through corners pretty similarly, though with the wide handlebars it's slightly lighter to handle in tight turns. I do miss the forward leaning position a bit, feels like there's not much to grab onto (except for the handle bars) when you accelerate hard.

Definitely less comfortable - the seat is a board of hard foam that looks good but isn't very comfy, speed humps and tree roots bash you around a bit, but i'm fine with it because drat.

And jesus christ. I could literally feel the pressure in my head do funky things on full acceleration. Utter madness, utterly delightful. I've heard about moto/car journalists bragging about that, but i never thought it was actually A Thing that seriously happpens.

If they don't fall apart and spend more time in the garage than on the road in 10 years time, i will definitely consider getting one second hand. But i've heard one to many horror stories to buy one anytime soon.
On the other hand, it's pointlessly fast in the land of a thousand speedtraps. I should've asked to ride the 390 too. I think i'd have more fun on that thing, rather than paranoidly staring at the speedo and scanning the soft shoulders for speed traps everytime i dare to touch the gas.

If it wouldn't lead to even worse to service bikes, that break even sooner, i'd tell Ducati to scrap their new 2 cyl engine and just spoon KTM's thing into their bikes. It's just a staggering difference.

Also FFS why is low/no ethanol Euro 98 already €1,90 per liter :(

Thank you for this. I ignored the 790 because ptwin and meh, but this sounds like a riot. Just looked at the 890 for the first time and it looks completely unhinged. Totally rabid. How was it at "normal person" riding speeds? Like you were riding with traffic or whatever rather than flat out?

Does it... wheelie?

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



drat it KTM, you have to pay extra to unlock things like turning off wheelie control. It feels like a way to make the bike look cheaper on paper, which is crap when you're talking about your "R" model.

mewse posted:

Did you have to have some nerves re-attached? I had a pretty gruesome kitchen knife accident last year and my left pinky still doesn't move right

Yeah nerves and tendons had to get reattached for my thumb, then apparently just hitting the rest of your hand very hard is also enough to damage the nerves.

*edit*
Is 75% of KTM's income from selling orange anodized parts that replace the stock parts? They certainly offer a ton of accessories
https://www.ktm.com/en-us/parts---wear/powerparts/products.html?model=F9775U3

MomJeans420 fucked around with this message at 02:46 on May 15, 2021

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:
Holy poo poo top cases are terrible. I'm not even talking about handling, because I didn't even get as far as trying that. I thought a top case would be neat so I can have some lockable storage when I need it and just leave it off when I don't.
Turns out, it looks even more terrible than in the pictures, it's a massive overhang from the side and ruins an actually very lovely tail from behind. All of this is already bad enough to dissuade me, but then you look at the brake light and realize you'll probably get rear ended instantly.
How is it acceptable to obscure the only brake light for just about every truck or tailgating SUV?

Gonna try and sell it or something. Good thing I didn't buy a case yet.

TL;DR:
Top case (mount) ugly, do not like.

LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020





MomJeans420 posted:

I was just going to post and ask if considering one of these is a horrible idea

So... It is an absolute blast. It does things i can't imagine doing with my old SV. It is manic and trigger happy on the sport setting. The throttle response is instant and accurate. It corners like on rails and you feel what every tiny bit of grid or mud on the road does to your traction. You also feel every ridge or bump in the road through its stiff suspension.
The acceleration is something fierce i've never experienced on anything else, and it is just always there regardless of where you are in the rev range. Always ready to accelerate you into whatever's in front of you. I literally felt the mass of my brain hit the back of my skull or the liquid in my ears or whatever do weird things when i sent it as hard as i could.

So is it a horrible idea to get one?
Depends. Does it matter to you if you conciously have to limit yourself to 'acceptable riding'? Or can you be a total hooligan without repercussions? Then it's fine.
But to me - i just don't want that feeling of 'gently caress, this thing could do so much and here i am crawling along in traffic' or 'oh please jesus let there be no speed trap behind that bush in this beautiful curve where many bikers go a bit too quickly'.
For me, a bike that requires a bit more poking and prodding to go silly fast, makes more sense.
Also, you're gonna have a Bad Time if your roads are rough. Perhaps the preload could be set a bit lower for me on the test model, but it still has more firm suspension and seat than anything else i've ridden.

I would ABSOLUTELY get one as a track toy that you can ride to the track. But i'm poor so that ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

Google around for any austrian bike maintenance hell that makes it a horrible idea to own one, or wait for Slavvy to say 'don't'.
Do go test ride one, it's fun!

Coydog posted:

Thank you for this. I ignored the 790 because ptwin and meh, but this sounds like a riot. Just looked at the 890 for the first time and it looks completely unhinged. Totally rabid. How was it at "normal person" riding speeds? Like you were riding with traffic or whatever rather than flat out?

Does it... wheelie?
It may be a parallel twin but imho it is a great engine. It can do all the things i wrote above, but it will also putter along in slow traffic at 2500-3000rpm without any issues at all. I found myself doing 30km/h in 2nd gear all the time in the quiet villages. It will smoothly overtake in top gear on the highway if you don't need full acceleration.
Except for the stiff suspension, it is pretty good in normal traffic. The throttle is very trigger happy, so you have to be gentle with it, but you can probably tone down the response a bit with the rider modes. Obviously if you run it at low revs it also won't instantly bite your head off. I had no issues modulating the throttle at low speeds.

I didn't explicitely try to wheelie, but i hit the hump of a culvert under the road at a good amount of throttle passing a truck, and my front wheel definitely left the ground for a few meters. I guess that you can do mad wheelies on them if you explicitely provoke them. But i'm not a skilled wheely-ist so i don't even try.

LimaBiker fucked around with this message at 10:47 on May 15, 2021

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
Don't forget P2 isn't an inherently boring layout. Some extremely not-boring bikes, from ton-up Tritons to autodisassembling Laverdas, have had an undescended v-twin.

The layout just has a bad rep because it's in a sweet spot of cheapness, power and packaging so is an attractive choice for designers of what someone here described as "One unit of motorcycle", and people designing bikes that go beyond that have tended towards v-twins or I4s both because they suit their particular needs or, more likely, just because they're perceived as sexier.

If there's an inherently "boring" layout it's actually a triple or straight-six - no vibes, linear power delivery, blah, but gently caress knows there's plenty of extremely exciting - or at least pleasantly strange - bikes with those engines.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


SEKCobra posted:

Holy poo poo top cases are terrible. I'm not even talking about handling, because I didn't even get as far as trying that. I thought a top case would be neat so I can have some lockable storage when I need it and just leave it off when I don't.
Turns out, it looks even more terrible than in the pictures, it's a massive overhang from the side and ruins an actually very lovely tail from behind. All of this is already bad enough to dissuade me, but then you look at the brake light and realize you'll probably get rear ended instantly.
How is it acceptable to obscure the only brake light for just about every truck or tailgating SUV?

Gonna try and sell it or something. Good thing I didn't buy a case yet.

TL;DR:
Top case (mount) ugly, do not like.

Show me a bike that's both pretty and practical and I'll show you a unicorn.
(baggers aren't pretty).

busalover
Sep 12, 2020
Idk that aluminum case set (incl. top case) for the africa twin looks pretty neat.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Finger Prince posted:

Show me a bike that's both pretty and practical and I'll show you a unicorn.
(baggers aren't pretty).

First generations of the VFR750.

Salisbury Snape
May 26, 2014
While a grain platform can be used for corn, a specialized corn head is ordinarily used instead.


goddamnedtwisto posted:

First generations of the VFR750.

:agreed:

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




SEKCobra posted:

Holy poo poo top cases are terrible. I'm not even talking about handling, because I didn't even get as far as trying that. I thought a top case would be neat so I can have some lockable storage when I need it and just leave it off when I don't.
Turns out, it looks even more terrible than in the pictures, it's a massive overhang from the side and ruins an actually very lovely tail from behind. All of this is already bad enough to dissuade me, but then you look at the brake light and realize you'll probably get rear ended instantly.
How is it acceptable to obscure the only brake light for just about every truck or tailgating SUV?

Gonna try and sell it or something. Good thing I didn't buy a case yet.

TL;DR:
Top case (mount) ugly, do not like.

I’m pretty sure this isn’t a criticism of top boxes, but rather the particular top box mount and box you have

There are plenty that don’t obstruct brake lights and things like that

Ugly is another thing entirely

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe
Still trying to understand how a top box blocks the brake light

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

I’m pretty sure this isn’t a criticism of top boxes, but rather the particular top box mount and box you have

There are plenty that don’t obstruct brake lights and things like that

Ugly is another thing entirely

Well it appears most bikes today use this weird 'box behibd bike' aesthetic and hide the taillight under it. Sure, it's especially bad on my bike, but I only took the plunge because I saw that most other bikes look the same in pictures.

Chris Knight posted:

Still trying to understand how a top box blocks the brake light

It hangs out over the back of the bike. So if you are even slightly above the brake light, it is obscured by the mounting plate.

SEKCobra fucked around with this message at 14:31 on May 15, 2021

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

Chris Knight posted:

Still trying to understand how a top box blocks the brake light

Some of them sit far back enough that they obscure the brake light to anyone sitting high up and right behind you.

Personally I make every effort to never get tailgated by SUVs and HGVs anyway, because if they just aren't looking you're toast regardless of how many lights you have on you.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


goddamnedtwisto posted:

First generations of the VFR750.

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:

Renaissance Robot posted:

Some of them sit far back enough that they obscure the brake light to anyone sitting high up and right behind you.

Personally I make every effort to never get tailgated by SUVs and HGVs anyway, because if they just aren't looking you're toast regardless of how many lights you have on you.

I do too much city riding not to worry about traffic behind me.

LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020






That bike is so rad and i want it.

epswing
Nov 4, 2003

Soiled Meat

SEKCobra posted:

it's a massive overhang from the side and ruins an actually very lovely tail from behind. All of this is already bad enough to dissuade me, but then you look at the brake light and realize you'll probably get rear ended instantly.
How is it acceptable to obscure the only brake light for just about every truck or tailgating SUV?

The top case I had on my vstrom plugged in and had its own brake lights. And they blinked for a second when activated. All top case mounts aren’t bad, you might just have a poo poo top case mount.

epswing fucked around with this message at 20:04 on May 15, 2021

Toe Rag
Aug 29, 2005


Please make this the forum background

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



LimaBiker posted:

Also, you're gonna have a Bad Time if your roads are rough. Perhaps the preload could be set a bit lower for me on the test model, but it still has more firm suspension and seat than anything else i've ridden.

That's actually exactly what I'm not looking for, so that's good to know

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Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Toe Rag posted:

Please make this the forum background

If I knew how, I would.

Relatedly, it’s probably time for a new forum name for the second quarter

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