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Raeg posted:Normally I'm on the "Dave is an old and confused man" train but this is not good. Not so good at all. it's not going to be taken down, and if it is it's not going to be bryan's decision anyways
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Luigi Thirty posted:Yeah I emailed Bryan and he apologized and said he didn’t know about the show until it was on the site and that it won’t happen again. I believe it… I remember him talking about not really being involved in the other shows on his site. Maybe now he will be.
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DrVenkman posted:Also, the thing I don't get, he was wrong anyway. So why bring it back up at all? Why try the martyrdom gambit when we know that the core argument he was making was false. There was one quote that I didn't even fully take in during the blizzard of poo poo that may somewhat address this. Despite the fact that the guesses that he made in his article were wrong, he feels that the widow believed false things about what he said that he did not say. "And in the end I just said, to honor his memory, come out and say what you know, and Amanda Huber and the family, they did do that, but what I found was, and some of it was piling on, and people who want to write about wrestling in a certain way and not hit the harder, hit the harder truths, was he said this, he said that, and words that I didn't use and words that were inflammatory and all that, and to the point where she even took it that way, and was upset with me for using these words I didn't use." -Bruce I'm not really sure what the point of that is, since, whatever he thinks that she believed that was false, she had every right to be angry with him based upon what he did say.
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Listening to the podcast on youtube,and Mitchell uses the old "I was just asking questions to protect everyone else who might not have been able to speak up" excuse  What an rear end in a top hat.
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May 15, 2021 12:53
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His argument there being "I forced a grieving widow trying to get over a surprisingly early passing of her husband to make long public statements because I was on my bullshit" loving cancel culture, how dare it do this to Bruce.
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May 15, 2021 12:54
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Bruce was SOOOOO convinced that he’d be the guy to uncover that Brodie actually died from COVID, and that AEW was part of a conspiracy to hide it. He went so far over the edge that week, it was so wild to see. I wonder if Dave is misinformed on all the details, or knows what actually happened and thinks what Bruce did was appropriate. Pretty hosed up either way.
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mkay0 posted:Bruce was SOOOOO convinced that he’d be the guy to uncover that Brodie actually died from COVID, and that AEW was part of a conspiracy to hide it. He went so far over the edge that week, it was so wild to see. I really do not understand how Dave could read what Mitchell wrote and not see what pretty much every other person who read it saw. What Mitchell was arguing was pretty clear because he's been doing this writing thing for a while. Did Dave genuinely not understand why people were mad about this when it was happening?
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DrVenkman posted:Did Dave genuinely not understand why Yes
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Helicity posted:How does one support just Bryan and Vinny if that's all you care about? I didn't care much about Dave/Garrett before, and I really don't see any reason to keep paying them now. Someone on The Board inferred that Twitch/YouTube money doesn’t get shared with Dave, I have no idea how true that is though. I’m in the same boat - Love B&V but don’t feel comfortable at all continuing to support Dave and Garrett. Dave just doesn’t learn…
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Helicity posted:How does one support just Bryan and Vinny if that's all you care about? I didn't care much about Dave/Garrett before, and I really don't see any reason to keep paying them now. Apparently, the video site revenue only goes to Bryan and co.
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Helicity posted:How does one support just Bryan and Vinny if that's all you care about? I didn't care much about Dave/Garrett before, and I really don't see any reason to keep paying them now. sub to f4w youtube & twitch.
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Dave’s brain broke over the peyton royce thing and the jim cornette nwa thing, he’s always had ignorant opinions here and there but i think those were watershed moments
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As I recall, he was also unbelievably lovely about the #speakingout thing as well.
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He doxxed one of the women involved in the Elgin thing. Between apoloigising for Bill Watts' racism, responding to the Honma accusations with "women, what can you say?", the Elgin thing, and this, he's been a piece of poo poo for a long time now
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To expand on the Elgin thing: When Elgin sued Mo, his original accuser, for defamation, his lawyer put out a press release that made a point of using their (in the middle of all this, Mo started identifying as nonbinary) legal name, which they did not use online. Various wrestling reporters fell for this trap, though it seems like they got tipped off later, because I can't find any examples on Google anymore. Dave was one of them, using Mo's legal name in the Observer. When Mo and I think some other people called him out, Dave stood his ground. When I very politely tried to explain that this went against all modern standards for reporting on sexual assault allegations, Dave repeatedly rebutted it by saying he talked to various mainstream reporters who said you would never withhold the name of someone being sued. He never made it clear if he told these people the full circumstances and wouldn't listen to any explanation, even using the AP guide, of why he was wrong. While his #SpeakingOut coverage was FAR from perfect, he did seemingly learn his lesson, because he didn't report the names of the anonymous accusers who Joey Ryan sued. (To my surprise and relief, nobody did. Some Reddit commenters and forum posters did, but the ones I saw all came off as uninformed as opposed to malicious.) For full context, there was more Elgin/Meltzer baggage, though: In a LONG Observer forum thread about all of the Elgin poo poo, Dave—without any context or comment—dropped in a link to a Tumblr that was designed to smear her. As far as I know, he never responded to any of the numerous requests to clarify his motives there. With the Watts thing, I'm not defending defending Watts, but it always seemed like most people forgot the actual most racist poo poo he said and focused largely on the stuff that could be excused as "extreme libertarianism." How many of them *deliberately* forgot Watts's comments ("...because they intermarried and got educated...") suggesting Black Americans succeeded here because they started mixing with "superior" white blood, I have no idea.
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Comparing this situation to Nick Gage is so loving gross. Gage robbed a bank a loving decade ago because he was severely addicted to opioids, did his time, got out and has stayed clean. Mitchell was just being an ignorant, entitled rear end in a top hat.
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F4W took the show down with Bryan commenting on The Board.
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HPJoker posted:F4W took the show down with Bryan commenting on The Board. Got a link to the board post?
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https://theboard.f4wonline.com/forum/the-board/radio-shows/4570775-wor-with-bruce-mitchell-may-14-2021?p=4572192#post4572192 "The show has been removed from the website. I just want to say that I appreciate everyone who has given their honest thoughts on this show, whether it be here, via email or PM to me, etc. I have stated many times that if you don't like a wrestling show, don't watch it or support it with your dollars, and it would be hypocritical of me to say the opposite here. I hope that everyone's responses, whether in writing or via your pocketbook, ultimately lead to a better site in the future. Thanks."
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How does the business side of F4W/WON work? Is Dave in charge or is Bryan?
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bryan is definitely in charge of wasting money, that i know
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Malcolm Excellent posted:Dave vs Bryan are having a civil war who will win, the old man who gets buffer every year or the dude who never ages
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Dave Meltzer vs Bryan Alvarez in a loser leaves WON match.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:who will win, the old man who gets buffer every year or the dude who never ages It's gonna end up in a WOL Civil War and Bryan's team will win simply because Filthy Tom is gonna break Dave's typing hand.
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I strongly dislike Dave, but Bryan is okay and I really enjoyed his Death of WCW book. I don't think either of them break legit news these days so basically they're both just pundits with opinions more than anything else, I think Bryan would do better without Dave Meltzer anyway, but I'm not a listener or supporter of anything Dave does for a while now so who knows if WOR is any better than it was a few years ago.
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I very very rarely listen to WOR without Bryan and only then if the blurb for the episode suggests Dave going to talk about something I really want to know about, and I guess that habit will continue. If Bryan had his own network for audio only feeds of WOL/FFD/B&V stuff I’d switch.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Dave Meltzer vs Bryan Alvarez in a loser has to stay on WON match.
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Dunno what to think about Dave on this one. I like him, but this is....puh-retty bad. Garrett just seems like a complete piece of poo poo the more I learn about him, though. Isn't he anti-labor too?
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DrVenkman posted:Dave has had his perspective ruined by social media. He has started to see any criticism as coming from a place of ignorance because he spends all of his time fighting with people who are ignorant. When you see everything as being in bad faith, it's easy to side with a friend when they say oh it's not me, I'm the victim Dave, it's all these people who just don't get it. It was just a few weeks ago Dave corrected someone, saying that the bad faith people on Twitter are in the vast minority. I think he just sees any feedback as coming from a source that isn't as enlightened as he is.
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Helicity posted:It was just a few weeks ago Dave corrected someone, saying that the bad faith people on Twitter are in the vast minority. I think he just sees any feedback as coming from a source that isn't as enlightened as he is. When was the last time he admitted being wrong and apologised? He can acknowledge that most ppl are good faith but if he doesn't actually take anything on board and change then so what? I mean as stubborn as Bryan can be he at least admits to fuckups sometimes
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TomWaitsForNoMan posted:When was the last time he admitted being wrong and apologised? He can acknowledge that most ppl are good faith but if he doesn't actually take anything on board and change then so what? Yeah, I think we're agreeing with each other? I was just saying it's not because bad faith Twitter broke his brain. It's because he has to be right all the time.
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Helicity posted:Yeah, I think we're agreeing with each other? I was just saying it's not because bad faith Twitter broke his brain. It's because he has to be right all the time. Yeah absolutely
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Incessant Excess posted:dave sweating right now whether he should talk about bananas or the weights tomorrow Imagine if the banana smashing story came out now for the first time
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