Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/Mahyar3138/status/1393861177424367618?s=20

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I was referring more to these:



Nobody resists colonialism and occupation with the mindset that they are inevitably marching to their graves and only acting out of spite for the oppressor. The aim of resistance is liberation, not to be a nuisance, and anticolonial struggles have always achieved victory primarily through inflicting an economic cost so great that it is no longer feasible to maintain colonial relations. If you look at the casualty figures for any independence war they are almost always going to be heavily skewed in favor of the far more powerful colonizer, but that does not nonetheless make them not wars.

The property damage, economic cost, and terror inflicted by the rockets is not negligible even if they're not that powerful or don't cause as many fatalities. As if the real point of a war is to kill as many people as possible. The aim of every war is to achieve a political outcome. For Israel the aim of their war is to exterminate Palestinians as a people, and for Hamas their aim is to survive with dignity and defeat the oppressor.

Lord of Pie posted:

You could probably tally up all the damage Israelis are wringing their hands over and it would amount to less than one standard American gender reveal

PawParole posted:

favorite take maker w/ a new hot take

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1393888086048845827

Agrajag posted:

im not belittling their resistance you dumbass

pointing out that the media and pundits are talking about this as if the palestinians are capable of fighting back in any real way as opposed to the IDF are straight up massacring people that have been forced to live into a very densely populated ghetto isnt belittling palestinians its pointing out how ratfucked the media and pundits are at trying to both sides this whole conflict. when its very clear the IDF is straight up massacring palestinians

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

You are belittling the power of the resistance. Just because this is an extremely asymmetrical war where one side has overwhelming power and wages daily massacres, doesn't mean it's not a war. It doesn't mean the Palestinians aren't effectively fighting back. They're struggling to survive by any means necessary. The point is that portraying the Palestinians as if they have no means of fighting back is a form of fatalism. The media skews the perception of the war because they have sided with Israel, and it's as simple as that.

Stringent posted:

mad he stole your bit huh?

Agrajag posted:

that the point completely flies over your head

like holy poo poo gently caress you for even implying im helping or siding with israel and what the idf are doing you dipshit debatelord

you very clearly care more about the semantics of the conflict than the actual loving people being loving massacred

Pooky posted:

https://twitter.com/LocalFocus1/status/1393885002568450049

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I was referring more to these:



Nobody resists colonialism and occupation with the mindset that they are inevitably marching to their graves and only acting out of spite for the oppressor. The aim of resistance is liberation, not to be a nuisance, and anticolonial struggles have always achieved victory primarily through inflicting an economic cost so great that it is no longer feasible to maintain colonial relations. If you look at the casualty figures for any independence war they are almost always going to be heavily skewed in favor of the far more powerful colonizer, but that does not nonetheless make them not wars.

The property damage, economic cost, and terror inflicted by the rockets is not negligible even if they're not that powerful or don't cause as many fatalities. As if the real point of a war is to kill as many people as possible. The aim of every war is to achieve a political outcome. For Israel the aim of their war is to exterminate Palestinians as a people, and for Hamas their aim is to survive with dignity and defeat the oppressor.

PawParole posted:

Search his account for Ethiopia and then search mine for Palestine.

obviously I care for both. he’s just using it as a distraction

mastershakeman posted:

Israel isn't colonizing Palestine so none of this fancy lingo means anything. They're settling in it. Face facts

mastershakeman posted:

Israel isn't colonizing Palestine so none of this fancy lingo means anything. They're settling in it. Face facts

mastershakeman posted:

Israel isn't colonizing Palestine so none of this fancy lingo means anything. They're settling in it. Face facts

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

John Charity Spring posted:

what do you think colonialism is

quote:

The Nazis advocated killing children of unwanted or "dangerous" in accordance with their ideological views, either as part of the Nazi idea of the racial struggle or as a measure of preventive security. The Nazis and their collaborators killed children both for these ideological reasons and in retaliation for real or alleged partisan attacks.

mastershakeman posted:

A place with a Metropole dominating and extracting resources from somewhere else to return to the imperial capital. America didn't colonize its west, it settled it. Conflating the two obfuscates the Palestinians are in the same boat as native Americans

mastershakeman posted:

A place with a Metropole dominating and extracting resources from somewhere else to return to the imperial capital. America didn't colonize its west, it settled it. Conflating the two obfuscates the Palestinians are in the same boat as native Americans

Rutibex posted:

yeah there is no way they can expel the jews or whatever. the only solution is a single state that gives equal rights to all citizens of the area. it would have to be called something other than israel and couldn't be democratic for at least 100 years

mastershakeman posted:

Yeah this is what im trying to get at. Comparing actions against Israel to actions against colonial empires isn't applicable. They burned the boats on the beach and are there to stay. Continually ignoring that is silly

i am harry posted:

World War Mammories posted:

wait. you're trying to say that israel burned the boats and is there to stay, right? so uh, was hernan cortes not engaging in colonialism when he burned his boats?

quote:

(May 16, 2021 / Israel Hayom) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu updated U.S. President Joe Biden on Saturday night with regard to Israel’s ongoing operation against terrorists in the Gaza Strip. During the two leaders’ telephone conversation, which was lengthy, Netanyahu thanked Biden for his unwavering support for Israel’s right to defend itself, and emphasized that everything possible was being done to avoid harm to civilians.

a Loving Dog posted:

you would've been on their side lol

Loving Africa Chaps posted:

https://twitter.com/gabrielmilland/status/1393654762617331720?s=19

Low key admitting you view all Palestinians as enemy combatants

Lord of Pie posted:

You could probably tally up all the damage Israelis are wringing their hands over and it would amount to less than one standard American gender reveal

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

You shouldn't belittle the power of the resistance just by comparing potencies.

smarxist posted:

smarxist posted:

pospysyl posted:

https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1393684549566189568?s=19

What this thread argues is that if a reporter speaks to someone in Hamas or doesn't report Hamas activities in the exact way Israel wants, they are a collaborator and a valid military target.