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If a person was affected by Modify Memory, would Zone of Truth make them speak from the unmodified original memory, or the memory that was implanted in them? I suspect the latter, right, going by the rules? But in that case, a truly rigorous, Lawful court system would also probably cast Remove Curse or Greater Restoration on someone before ZoT. I find this sort of thing fascinating. A society where magical means to enact truth and justice are baked in would end up functioning very differently and...let's be honest...probably much better in many ways than our lovely real world systems. But it also might depend on the condition and nature of that society. A corrupt empire might use magic meticulously to make sure its laws are followed, but its laws might be less "Don't hurt other people" and more "How dare you dissent against your betters, peasant?"
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BrianWilly posted:If a person was affected by Modify Memory, would Zone of Truth make them speak from the unmodified original memory, or the memory that was implanted in them? I suspect the latter, right, going by the rules? Zone of truth prevents deliberate lies; truth and facts are not the same thing. You can be wrong in a zone of truth so long as you believe every word you say, which a false memory would 100% be. Don’t overthink this. Zone of truth is about intent, not underlying fact.
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feedtheid posted:This is a ‘show by doing’ moment, esp for zone of truth. Let them walk their butts into the zone and attempt a lie, especially after they’ve failed a save. They should feel themselves being compelled to speak truth, even when they succeed the save. But since they don't have a player's handbook to look up the spell, how do they verify that's how the spell works? Let's homebrew a spell: quote:Zone Of Compelled Speech The caster of the spell really needs to be someone trusted by the court, enough that it will be taken on faith that they are telling the truth when they say they cast Zone of Truth, but if I were a villainous noble/king/priest, a blind faith in the reliability of Zone of Truth would be an excellent weak point for corruptive influence, which a spell like the above has the opportunity to poo poo all over. This does sound like quite an interesting scenario hook though, PCs accused of a crime, secretly villainous cleric offers to cast Zone of Truth in front of the authorities to exonerate them, and when the PCs voluntarily fail the save, discover that the only thing they can say is "Yes, we did it, and we're planning to kill the King next".
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May 16, 2021 02:01
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I think you're on to something...quote:Compelled Speech
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May 16, 2021 02:28
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May 16, 2021 03:00
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My artistic friend drew the whole party this time. Its supposed to be a Guardians of the Galaxy type arrest lineup, as we are "murder hobos". Try and guess everyones race  
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May 16, 2021 12:08
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Oh man maybe its a sign that I spend too much time on Heroforge that I immediately recognized all those armor pieces
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lol yeah we all used heroforge to make our character portraits. maybe i will give them money one day
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My players are about to finish Lost Mine of Phandelver. We ended the last session right as they were about to burst in on King Grol/Drow woman/Gundren in Cragmaw Castle so now it's all coming to an end where they run off to Wave Echo Cave and bask in victory. BUT! Recently, I put out a survey to find out who would want to continue playing another adventure and what feedback they had for me so far on this one. One critique stated that they wished there was more to some interactions than just GO HERE AND BONK W/ SWORD. Fair enough. They want more roleplay opportunities and I'm happy to provide that. I want to give the end of LMOP a twist to show them I'm taking their feedback seriously and I've brainstormed a few ideas. Please look these over and let me know what sounds the best or provide your own: 1) GUNDREN IS ACTUALLY STEALING THE MINE FROM NEZZNAR: The Rockseekers were actually part of Nezznar's original survey team that helped discover/excavate the lost mine. Knowing the value of what they had discovered, the Rockseekers put together a plan to steal the mine from Nezznar. Gundren went to Neverwinter, rounded up a crew of hearty adventurers and sold them a sob story about his great discovery and the evil "Black Spider" taking it away from him. The only problem is things have spun out of his control. He has been captured by Goblins and beaten while his brothers Tharden and Nundro are still in the cave and prisoners of Nezznar. The players must roleplay a solution that gets the Rockseekers out alive and allows Nezznar some sort of consolation for being the true discoverer of the mine. 2) GUNDREN IS DYING OF DROW POISON: While a captive of King Grol and Vyerith in Cragmaw Castle, Gundren was fed a slow acting Drow assassin's poison that has been slowly killing the dwarf. Grol and Vye are w/o the antidote and are freaking out that their captive is dying (Nezznar wants him alive... for reasons). The players must team up with Grol and Vye to get Gundren to Wave Echo Cave where Nezznar will have a dose of the poison's antidote. The players may have to negotiate a shared ownership of the mine in order to save Gundren's life. 3) GUNDREN IS NEZZNAR: The players bust in on Grol and Vye, kill them and revive Gundren. "Gundren" is distraught over recent events and admits that he is not actually Gundren. He is Tharden, Gundren's twin brother. He explains that when the Rockseekers discovered and explored the mine in Wave Echo Cave, they activated some sort of mechanism that awoke the long dead spirit of some entity calling itself "Nezznar". The spirit possessed Gundren who immediately began attacking his brothers and in the process gruesomely killed Nundro Rockseeker before running off into the dark corridors of WEC. Tharden went to Neverwinter to round up adventurers seeking gold but really needed them in order to defeat whatever had taken a hold of his brother. Fearing no one would sign up for such a dangerous mission, he kept the worst parts of the story to himself. The players must go and reason with the possessed Gundren, hopefully w/o killing him and reunite the remaining Rockseekers. 4) GUNDREN PLANS TO TRADE THE ADVENTURERS FOR HIS BROTHERS' LIVES: The Rockseekers had a rough time in WEC. They were captured by the Drow led by Nezznar and used as subjects in the experiments the Drow tried on various mechanisms within the cave. It was awful. Gundren managed to escape and immediately went to Neverwinter to find idiotic lvl 1's that would blindly follow him to the mine where he would hopefully be able to trade his brothers' lives for those of the adventurers. The players must now rethink their allegiances and determine what should happen to each of the parties and the riches within the mine. 5) WAVE ECHO CAVE IS IN THE SHADOWFELL: It doesn't matter that Nezznar has invaded the mine, because he can't get out even if he wanted to, for the Drow Wizard has no way back to the material plane. The only problem is Tharden and Nundro are his captives. The mine has remained hidden for so long because it no longer exists on the Material Plane. The players must go to the mountains, perform some sort of ritual/transport to the Shadowfell where they will be facing the entrance to Wave Echo Cave. There the players must find a way to negotiate a peace and be able to return alive back to the Material Plane. What do you all think? Total Party Kill fucked around with this message at 21:18 on May 16, 2021 |
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I like option one the best, the "are we the baddies?" moment is always a good time and will give an interesting RP opportunity. Only issue is if it seems like it comes out of left field due to previous events. I don't like the Gundren is Nezznar because that seems too much like glass staff . Poison doesn't seem like what they want since it just becomes go here and hit with a sword until it gives you the antidote type thing Tbh, Nezznar kinda came out of nowhere. The real ending to our group felt like it came when we found the cave. Idk if in the book you have more interactions with him before that point but I would recommend it.
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May 16, 2021 21:35
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Semi-related to the above: Our Lost Mines game is nearly complete (we're also at the castle and about to bust into the throne room), and our DM wants to roll into Storm King's Thunder after this. I was thinking of retiring my bard and switching to a Dhampir ranger, either hunter or gloomstalker, with a "monster hunter" feel. Is there any viable way to build around crossbows? Taking the crossbow expert feat seems like a requirement but I'm worried it would put me behind stat-wise.
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May 16, 2021 22:08
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change my name posted:Semi-related to the above: Our Lost Mines game is nearly complete (we're also at the castle and about to bust into the throne room), and our DM wants to roll into Storm King's Thunder after this. I was thinking of retiring my bard and switching to a Dhampir ranger, either hunter or gloomstalker, with a "monster hunter" feel. Is there any viable way to build around crossbows? Taking the crossbow expert feat seems like a requirement but I'm worried it would put me behind stat-wise. Crossbow fighter is excellent and so is Sharpshooter. If you wanted to have absolutely no fun with the game and build for the highest consistent DPS, you'd probably aim for a Battlemaster with the Sharpshooter/Crossbow Expert combo, which is to say that feat combination is very, very good. Playing as a Vuman or using the custom lineage option from TCE gets you a free feat, which speeds up the build by a lot, letting you get both by level 4. The plan is pretty straightforward, just use a hand crossbow to Attack every turn and spend your bonus action to get an extra shot, all the while using Sharpshooter to skyrocket your damage. The main consideration is that you ideally want to shoot with your bonus action every turn, so class features that compete for bonus actions get devalued. I'm not an expert on Ranger's new toys, but I remember the class being fairly bonus action-intensive when it came to spells and class features, while Battlemaster Fighter is not. Anyways, taking Crossbow Expert and Sharpshooter on a class with Archery fighting style and Extra Attack is basically 80% of 5e's extremely shallow charop, so you absolutely will not be set back, and can really just go with the class/subclass that sounds the most fun and interesting.
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I'm probably late to the party on this but isn't it bullshit that grenade weapons are improvised weapons? Holy water and acid cost 25 gold each and they are probably going to miss. I mean throwing something is basic caveman tactics.
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Proficient Scoundrel posted:1) GUNDREN IS ACTUALLY STEALING THE MINE FROM NEZZNAR: If you do this (and it would get my vote since I think it's a cool idea!), I'd suggest that what makes most sense here to explain Tharden and Nundro's predicament is that the Rockbreakers hatched a plan that originally didn't involve the PCs, and it went disasterously wrong, leading Gundren to flee and hire the PCs as Plan B. You definitely want there to be hints that let the party piece together some of what's going on. I think you want essentially 3 revelations: 1) Nezznar and Gundren were on a survey team together and discovered the mine. 2) Gundren was not the leader of the Survey Team. 3) The Survey team ended up fighting over who would own the mine. Sprinkle several clues for each of these throughout the adventure. Maybe the staffer at the Coster mentions that the survey team was a joint venture , with a few humans [the dopplegangers], a dark elf, and three dwarves. Maybe the Redbrands only moved into the mansion recently, and the town can mention that the mansion was used as a staging post for the expedition, and that gives you good excuse to put some clues in there, like an unlabelled journal of the expedition's preparations that sound like they're written by the team's leader, but mention Gundren by name. Gundren should have lies handy for each one (Different dark elf, The expedition leader died and I was put in charge, etc. etc.) and stick to them for as long as possible, but if confronted with enough evidence, break down and admit the truth, just begging the PCs to still help him save his brothers.
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May 17, 2021 00:40
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Lammasu posted:I'm probably late to the party on this but isn't it bullshit that grenade weapons are improvised weapons? Holy water and acid cost 25 gold each and they are probably going to miss. I mean throwing something is basic caveman tactics. Yeah, it's pretty dumb. For how expensive they are, they give really marginal utility. I'm guessing they didn't want to make the items so good that everyone would always buy as much as possible every time they were in town, but there's got to be a better way to handle that.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Yeah, it's pretty dumb. For how expensive they are, they give really marginal utility. I'm guessing they didn't want to make the items so good that everyone would always buy as much as possible every time they were in town, but there's got to be a better way to handle that. Just make them simple weapons. You're supposed to stock up on holy water when you go after undead.
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Glagha posted:If someone already said this and I missed it, whoops, but on the zone of truth issue and other sorts of magically compelling people to do stuff issues, there's no reason anyone has to take you at your word that the spell does what you say it does. Magic is a lot messier in lore than it is to players so there's no reason a court for example would necessarily believe you when you say "I am casting a spell that forces someone to tell the truth." They don't have a phb with the spell list in it, and outside of maybe having a powerful enough spellcaster around who is trusted to corroborate that your magic is doing what you claim it does for all they know your spell forces someone to say what you want them to say, or who knows what wizards are weird. You could just as well pull a string out of your pocket and tie it around the person's wrist and say "this is the lasso of truth they can't lie now" for how convincing it is. The players know how the magic works which can help them but if they actually have to convince someone else of the truth as well it's harder. The counterpoint to this is that someone under a zone of truth just knows that they can't lie. They don't know that, for example, the party Rogue made their saving throw and *can* lie.
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I need quick ruling, in TCe one of the new fighting styles is Unarmed Fighting which states. "At the start of each of your turns, you can deal 1d4 bludgeoning damage to one creature grappled by you." I would normally interpret this to mean I do 1d4 damage on my turn and my turn only, but it says, "turns," implying more than one. Does this mean I apply 1d4 damage to the grappled enemy on the end of their turn as well?
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May 17, 2021 15:30
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That isn't one of your turns, so no.
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May 17, 2021 15:35
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I would concur with that ruling. The wording reads to me as specifying it is an ongoing effect that occurs every time your turn comes up, not a "on your turn this happens and then doesn't happen again unless you degrapple and then regrapple your opponent".
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May 17, 2021 15:46
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It likely says turns in the plural because a combat can last multiple rounds. Though if you have some way to have multiple turns in a round (like Samurai Fighter's Strength Before Death), you could get the 1d4 bludgeoning twice in a single round.
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May 17, 2021 15:51
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Back Hack posted:I need quick ruling, in TCe one of the new fighting styles is Unarmed Fighting which states. It means every time your turn comes up? As long as you are maintaining the grapple, you get some free damage for continuing to do so. The magic word here is “your turns”
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May 17, 2021 15:52
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every time it's your turn and you are grappling an enemy you automatically make them taste the pain in addition to whatever else you're doing which is likely making them taste even more pain via an attack
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May 17, 2021 15:53
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.... skids into thread... YOUR TURNSSSSSSS
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May 17, 2021 15:57
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Back Hack posted:I need quick ruling, in TCe one of the new fighting styles is Unarmed Fighting which states. You only do it on the start of your turn. Not their turn. Not any other time. The reason for the S in turns is because you get more than one turn in a game, otherwise it would be a pretty boring and short game. Campaign Begins DM: Everyone take your turn in initiative order. Every player takes one turn. DM: Okay, we’re done. Campaign Ends
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May 17, 2021 16:52
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nelson posted:You only do it on the start of your turn. Not their turn. Not any other time. The reason for the S in turns is because you get more than one turn in a game, otherwise it would be a pretty boring and short game. at least i'd loving finish one for a change
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nelson posted:You only do it on the start of your turn. Not their turn. Not any other time. The reason for the S in turns is because you get more than one turn in a game, otherwise it would be a pretty boring and short game. Look If you had One shot Or one opportunity To seize everything you ever wanted In one moment Would you capture it Or just let it slip? Real talk what type of Bard is Eminem?
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Kaal posted:Look a bad one. as a juggalo i hate eminem Deviant posted:at least i'd loving finish one for a change i think smaller campaigns are better anyway but there is a strange appeal in 100 session long mega campaigns. you have to do a lot as a dm to keep these things interesting and the scope in check whereas smaller campaigns are way more manageable
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last year I ran a 5 month campaign with a very clear start and ending and it felt so satisfying to finish something, and give the characters their (not so) happily ever afters. now I'm running a campaign I expect will take them to 10th level from starting at 1, and they just got to level 4. I expect it will take the rest of the year to finish at minimum, if not a bit beyond.
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Mr. Lobe posted:last year I ran a 5 month campaign with a very clear start and ending and it felt so satisfying to finish something, and give the characters their (not so) happily ever afters. Knock on wood I've finished like the last three of our campaigns I've run, all of them big year long epics, and for me personally it was all about just disciplining myself to continue to run them long after the shine wore off. Like I'm consistently running these games long after I'm kind of vaguely disappointed in them and thinking of something else. That's no cure for real life priorities like kids, but whacha gonna do, sometimes things like that just take priority. Ironically, it's the party that always wants the full lv 1 to lv20, I think D&D (and most any rpg, we also did 40kRPG), just falls apart in the back third. I'd love to run a game that intentionally stopped short.
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Kaal posted:Real talk what type of Bard is Eminem? School of Appropriation?
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I wish there were more modules that started at higher levels. Currently running Tales from the Yawning Portal and the party is going through Lost City of Tamoachan, and I'm not really feeling the later modules and looking for an offramp into something that has a little less of the adversarial DM trying to TPK the party while the players spite the DM by continuing to live. The current plan is to run White Plume Mountain, because that looks fun, then try to find something else for them when they're level 7 or 8. I'm not at a place where I have a lot of time to upscale encounters, let alone write my own campaign so I'm looking for something that'll let my players keep their characters going without giving me an aneurysm. I've heard that Rise of Tiamat can be run without running Hoard of the Dragon Queen first. Does anyone have experience doing this, or have alternate suggestions for a module that I can run with a group of level 7 to 8 characters?
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May 17, 2021 19:54
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I believe Storm Lord's Wrath (NOT STORM KING'S FURY) on DNDBeyond starts @ level 7 and its sequels will take your PCs to level 13.
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May 17, 2021 20:01
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Azathoth posted:I wish there were more modules that started at higher levels. In theory, DMsGuild should be absolutely packed with this stuff.
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Proficient Scoundrel posted:I believe Storm Lord's Wrath (NOT STORM KING'S FURY) on DNDBeyond starts @ level 7 and its sequels will take your PCs to level 13. Oh this looks just delightful
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May 17, 2021 20:28
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Azathoth posted:I wish there were more modules that started at higher levels. Bryce has reviewed a whackload of 5e adventures over the years: https://tenfootpole.org/ironspike/?cat=25
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There's a new book coming out that will have a lot of new stuff and also help fund youth cancer research. Link to video explaining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doQpKQ0xCVU
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Got the Ravenloft book and I love it. But why doesn't it list the monsters alignment.
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May 18, 2021 21:38
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They're all Hella Evil, I imagine.
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Lammasu posted:Got the Ravenloft book and I love it. But why doesn't it list the monsters alignment. It's because you can make them whatever you want. Maybe that carrionette is evil, but maybe you run into a little killer doll who's actually possessed by a kid ghost and just wants to play, not really hurt people. Or whatever. It's WoTC moving towards a "let the DM decide who is good or evil" system rather than imposing racial alignments.
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