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# ? May 18, 2021 21:02 |
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Animorphs Book 22-The Solution, Chapter 26quote:<Now, all of you demorph. As soon as you’ve demorphed, remorph,> David instructed. Just as a note, when you're monologuing "I've finally done it! I've captured the Animorphs! Hah-hah-hah!", it's probably time to admit, you're probably not the good guy in the story. Chapter 27 quote:n the concrete floor of the never-to-be-finished building was a drain. The drain cover was off. Oh, boy.
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# ? May 19, 2021 05:28 |
This is all Marco's fault. He should have shoved him in a locker and just taken the box.
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# ? May 19, 2021 06:28 |
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In retrospect the "kindest" thing to do would have been, in that alleyway, abandon him to eventually get picked up and infested by the Yeerks. Either they win the war and he'll be free again, or they lose the war and everybody on the planet gets infested anyway.quote:“I worry about you, Rachel. More than any of the others except Tobias. Being a Rachel book it's obviously all about her POV, but this is a nice touch - just a quick comment that yeah, Jake, actually has to worry about himself plus all of them, and even though Tobias' new life is a sort of accepted status quo in the series, it's something that's still keeping him up at nights.
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# ? May 19, 2021 09:39 |
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I could swear they explicitly say that the plan is Cassie’s but I may have missed it or it hasn’t happened yet.
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# ? May 19, 2021 15:20 |
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:I could swear they explicitly say that the plan is Cassie’s but I may have missed it or it hasn’t happened yet. Hasn’t been said yet
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# ? May 19, 2021 16:01 |
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freebooter posted:In retrospect the "kindest" thing to do would have been, in that alleyway, abandon him to eventually get picked up and infested by the Yeerks. Either they win the war and he'll be free again, or they lose the war and everybody on the planet gets infested anyway. No he's saying only Tobias worries more about Rachel
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# ? May 19, 2021 19:37 |
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Terror Sweat posted:No he's saying only Tobias worries more about Rachel That sentence is actually ambiguous. It's not clear whether he means he worries about Rachel more than he does anyone else (except Tobias), or no one worries more about Rachel than he does (except Tobias). But for the latter case, I'm not sure that would be true (T could be more likely to idealize her?) or that Jake would be aware of it if it were, so I'm inclined to read it the same way as freebooter.
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# ? May 19, 2021 19:41 |
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Animorphs Book 22-The Solution, Chapter 28quote:Down the pipe. Through muck and standing water and filth. Past bugs of several types. Down the black, claustrophobic tunnel. With David literally stepping on my tail. Chapter 29 quote:It took two hours for David to become a nothlit. A person trapped in morph. There's a bunch I can say about these chapters, this book, and the 'David" arc, but not right now. No updates tomorrow...lets take the day to reflect on the ending, but then Friday, we'll start the second Chronicles book, "The Hork-Bajir Chronicles", and we can learn all about or favorite bark eating 7 foot tall dinosaur people, and maybe make some new friends along the way.
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# ? May 20, 2021 05:28 |
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Epicurius posted:maybe make some new friends along the way. hopefully these ones end better off
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# ? May 20, 2021 06:57 |
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OH WAIT NOPE THEY JUST END UP ENSLAVED OR EXTERMINATED HAHAHA
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# ? May 20, 2021 06:57 |
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frankly speaking it would have been kinder to kill him
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# ? May 20, 2021 07:15 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:frankly speaking it would have been kinder to kill him Yes, this is just incredibly cruel.
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# ? May 20, 2021 08:28 |
Also I'm pretty sure cockroaches are air breathing, so unless Tobias was there pretty much instantaneously, they dead.
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# ? May 20, 2021 09:10 |
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Both cruel and stupid. An extremely small chance of a Controller on the water hearing his screaming rat thoughts is still way too high of a chance. And sure, the rocks and waves keep humans away...but. Y'know. Visser Three.
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# ? May 20, 2021 09:14 |
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quote:<Rachel?> Ax said. This is one of the lines from the series that has really stayed in my head over the years. I suppose it's not really that original - off the top off my head I can think of an almost verbatim line in the last season of Breaking Bad, for example - but for an 11-year-old this was extremely serious poo poo.
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# ? May 20, 2021 10:25 |
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Also I'm not sure if it was planned or not, but the Hork Bajir Chronicles being published right after this is good timing. It just feels appropriate to step away from the main story for a bit.
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# ? May 20, 2021 10:26 |
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The "good" news is that rats only live about 2 years so the island won't be haunted for long. They definitely should have just killed him. This is way more hosed up.
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# ? May 20, 2021 10:35 |
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This is a drat good arc. Though yeah, should have killed him. It would have been kinder.
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# ? May 20, 2021 10:38 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:frankly speaking it would have been kinder to kill him To themselves as well, probably.
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# ? May 20, 2021 11:45 |
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It's interesting to compare David's fate with a Controller's. They're not totally the same, but they're similar enough that I'm not sure it's a coincidence.
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# ? May 20, 2021 11:58 |
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Even with the idiot brain of a child the only reason to do this is to be unimaginably cruel to someone who wronged you. Even if you have to go with the rat trap plan just drop him in the loving ocean my dudes.
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# ? May 20, 2021 12:31 |
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I remember the tagline on the cover of this book: "A mistake has been made. His name is David." As for David's fate... I think the Animorphs are simply not ready [yet] to knowingly, deliberately murder someone. Someone in this situation because of them, in part. A family member. A could-have-been member of the team. Asking teenagers to explicitly, intentionally, premeditatedly kill someone is rather a lot to ask. This makes a certain cognitive dissonance much easier.
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# ? May 20, 2021 12:38 |
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So I misread a line in here as a child:quote:We took turns carrying the helpless rat out across the beach, across the breaking surf, out to the tiny, desolate rock a mile or more from shore. as them dragging David through the surf as they went to hurt him further. Which made this even more hosed up for me as a child to think the protagonists just casually tortured him even more on the way out for kicks before the fate worse than death. Not really sure if this means anything, but it's interesting to see something and realize you misread it decades ago.
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# ? May 20, 2021 12:42 |
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I read an Animorphs fanfic that retold the story in a universe with the daemons from the His Dark Materials books (external souls in the shape of animals), where they just kill David. Cassie considers trapping him in morph, but Aftran talks her out of it. It was pretty chilling, actually. They pretend to be Visser Three and stage a fake reunion with his parents, and while he's distracted by joy, they kill him. But it still seemed kinder than what they do in the actual books. I can see why they felt that killing David would cross a line that all the other people they've killed hadn't, but putting him in Rat Jail forever also crosses that line, I think. There's no good answer to this situation, and I like that the authors didn't deus ex machina one in to this one. quote:<You can’t do this,> David moaned. <You can’t do this!>
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# ? May 20, 2021 14:05 |
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Eugh. Still chilling even as an adult.
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# ? May 20, 2021 14:18 |
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freebooter posted:Also I'm not sure if it was planned or not, but the Hork Bajir Chronicles being published right after this is good timing. It just feels appropriate to step away from the main story for a bit. The first Chronicles book was after #11, so it's the same annual timeline. They probably planned and timed the David trilogy to run right before it though. cptn_dr posted:It's interesting to compare David's fate with a Controller's. They're not totally the same, but they're similar enough that I'm not sure it's a coincidence. Applegate said that Tobias was planned from the start, because they needed to make the two-hour time limit a real threat. I'm sure the parallels between controller and nothlit, trapped in your own body vs. trapped in the wrong body, risk of what the enemy will do to you if you lose vs. risk of what the war can do to you regardless (or if you make the slightest mistake), were somewhat intentional from the outset. And then intentionally inflicting that on David just increases those similarities a little more.
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# ? May 20, 2021 15:06 |
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Oof. This was my first time experiencing this part of the story, and it's brutal. So Saddler's body pretty much had to have been dropped down an elevator shaft in a children's' hospital, huh? It's sad that the abbreviated nature of the story meant that David had to go full-evil immediately. There's a hypothetical middleground where he's not aggressively trying to get the Animorphs killed / caught, but is unwilling or unable to actually be a guerilla fighter, and Jake and Rachel are the ones to help him set up the Saddler identity after letting Saddler pass away on his own. Possibly forcing him to nothlit as Saddler so he won't be tempted to sneak out at night and be an rear end in a top hat golden eagle.
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# ? May 20, 2021 17:05 |
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It's really just the horrid luck (insofar as luck exists in a setting where there are two giant assholes playing chess with people constantly) that David found the box right when the peace conference was happening. If it hadn't been for that, maybe, like, maybe they legitimately could have eased him into the team better than "hey this is the most important mission we've ever been on and it's now your first mission, don't gently caress up" that SAID while the other animorphs have mused about using their powers for fun David took his parents being enslaved less as a "maybe when i fight hard enough to free them i can have some fun" and went "hey my parents are gone... i have no rules anymore!" it definitely felt rushed and could have worked better if it was spread over more books and plotlines, but it's a monthly serial series so like, can't really put storylines on delays like that i guess god that last chapter is deeply upsetting though I also think it's FUN that by this point a lot of readers were definitely fantasizing about themselves becoming animorphs, they actually do the plotline and it's a horrid disaster
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# ? May 20, 2021 17:18 |
Poor David. Did he deserve his fate? I dunno. But I feel awful for him either way (and so the Animorphs, seemingly).
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# ? May 20, 2021 17:24 |
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When I was a kid, I always thought the better solution would have been for Tobias to kill David when he morphed rattler to spy on the meeting in the barn. Red-tails are great snake murderers. Of course, there are all sorts of reasons it wouldn't happen that way (not least of which is the anticlimax involved), but it felt a lot less cruel than trapping him in rat morph and abandoning him on an island.
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# ? May 20, 2021 19:39 |
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I dunno why, but as a kid I had a fan theory that surely one of them (Tobias?) would fly back to the island at some later point and finish him quickly. I guess I just hated the idea of him being stuck like that and it upset me.
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# ? May 20, 2021 20:48 |
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Bobulus posted:There's a hypothetical middleground where he's not aggressively trying to get the Animorphs killed / caught, but is unwilling or unable to actually be a guerilla fighter, and Jake and Rachel are the ones to help him set up the Saddler identity after letting Saddler pass away on his own. Possibly forcing him to nothlit as Saddler so he won't be tempted to sneak out at night and be an rear end in a top hat golden eagle. this doesn't sound like a great idea either. he still knows who the animorphs are, and has a body that's able to be infested, but without the possibility of being able to morph something to escape or defend himself from being taken. plus it seems like it'd probably happen inevitably, sooner or later, even without being forced. can you sustainably morph every 2 hours for the rest of your life? never have just a couple of minutes distraction at the wrong time?
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# ? May 21, 2021 07:53 |
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A wacky comedy series where David is living as Saddler. He works at a busy cafe and needs to find increasingly elaborate excuses and over the top antics to dodge customers and run into the bathroom every 2 hours. His boss is increasingly suspicious that he's doing drugs in there so comes up with ridiculous schemes to catch him.
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# ? May 21, 2021 09:14 |
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I do wonder if the decision not to kill David was purely creative or if there was editorial interference.
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# ? May 21, 2021 11:14 |
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Turpitude II posted:this doesn't sound like a great idea either. he still knows who the animorphs are, and has a body that's able to be infested, but without the possibility of being able to morph something to escape or defend himself from being taken. I mean, the crew have done dumber things. Within the children's book narrative, it probably would have worked, at least for a while. Maybe he shows up again a dozen books later because he's noticed some yeerk activity the next town over and he wants the animorphs to protect him. You could have him effectively blackmail them without threatening to go to Visser 3, just by the threat that he knows too much and the current plot would get him accidentally yeerk'd. But we've reached the point of fanfiction.
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# ? May 21, 2021 12:18 |
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e X posted:I do wonder if the decision not to kill David was purely creative or if there was editorial interference. Grant has said that there was basically no editorial interference in the series, especially at this point in particular. They were so popular and dependably produced on schedule, and yet simultaneously so niche (as a mail-order softcover monthly series of the traditional short children's-book length) and on nobody's radar (unlike say Harry Potter at the same time) that he figures nobody in Scholastic was even reading them any more, aside from their editor. Which, as he sees it, would explain why they were able to get away with this trilogy at all.
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# ? May 21, 2021 15:18 |
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Yeah, the conclusion of trapping him as a rat rather than killing him seems perfectly in the authors' wheelhouse at this point, as a supposedly "moral" course of action which is utterly more horrible and is really more about protecting the characters' consciences than doing the actual kinder thing to David. Like, what is a rat's lifespan anyway? I used to have pet mice and they only live two years. You're basically killing him anyway, but emotionally torturing him for a few years first.
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# ? May 22, 2021 00:56 |
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freebooter posted:Yeah, the conclusion of trapping him as a rat rather than killing him seems perfectly in the authors' wheelhouse at this point, as a supposedly "moral" course of action which is utterly more horrible and is really more about protecting the characters' consciences than doing the actual kinder thing to David. Like, what is a rat's lifespan anyway? I used to have pet mice and they only live two years. You're basically killing him anyway, but emotionally torturing him for a few years first. About two years,
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# ? May 22, 2021 04:54 |
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The Hork-Bajir Chronicles-Prologuequote:My name is Tobias. So when we last left the Hork Bajir Valley, there were only two of them. Now, there's a small community. And this is their story of how they came to be taken over by the Yeerks. And, it's also some other people's stories. Chapter 1 quote:Andalite date: year 8561.2 And that was the beginning of the Yeerk revolt.
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# ? May 22, 2021 05:07 |