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Zero One posted:But I’m in a congested area! Look at the sectional, buddy! My house is yellow! 1000 feet or greater! Um I'm pretty sure the FAA doesn't actually define "congested area" anywhere so he's got an ironclad defense  It's kinda funny to me how bad people are at estimating how low planes are actually flying. A year or two ago a pair of F/A-18s flew over Oakland and Berkeley at about 4000 feet and every cop shop and airport and news station in the area got reports of fighter jets flying FIFTY FEET ABOVE MY ROOF BUZZING MY HOUSE Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 18:50 on May 20, 2021 |
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May 20, 2021 18:48
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I moved to the greater Salt Lake area a few months ago and it is awesome for plane spotting. Hill Airforce Base is nearby and every day I'm seeing C130's, formations of Apaches, Chinooks, and more. There's a regional airport about 5 miles north of me and I've seen an F-35 doing touch and goes. The Apache usually circles my neighborhood at like 1500 AGL at about 7pm every night. It rules. If you look at the reviews for the regional strip it's all people complaining about the military doing night ops out of there and it's like "Yo this airfield has been here since 1950 you jabronis."
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Sagebrush posted:Um I'm pretty sure the FAA doesn't actually define "congested area" anywhere so he's got an ironclad defense People are almost physically incapable of estimating heights taller than a person, ask some of your friends to guess how tall random trees are sometime if you have a way to measure them later. We're just fundamentally wired for a 2.5D universe.
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shame on an IGA posted:People are almost physically incapable of estimating heights taller than a person, ask some of your friends to guess how tall random trees are sometime if you have a way to measure them later. We're just fundamentally wired for a 2.5D universe. It's that and also modern fighter jets are loving huge
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May 20, 2021 20:56
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our eyes are not far enough apart to be any good at distance estimates beyond a few hundred feet or something. it was a big issue with naval warfare before range finders were invented.
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May 20, 2021 21:18
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rscott posted:It's that and also modern fighter jets are loving huge and also loving loud, compared to modern airliners
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May 20, 2021 21:22
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MD-80s would like a word Wait you said modern, nevermind
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May 20, 2021 21:37
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It's also that if you look at something in the sky you have zero cues for distance. So seeing a plane feels much closer than it is, because you only tend to get an unobstructed view of something if you're really close
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May 20, 2021 22:02
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Lord Stimperor posted:It's also that if you look at something in the sky you have zero cues for distance. So seeing a plane feels much closer than it is, because you only tend to get an unobstructed view of something if you're really close "Hello, I'd like to report a low-flying grey orb."
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May 21, 2021 00:47
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BobHoward posted:and also loving loud, compared to modern airliners I live right near DCA and the difference between airliners taking off and the occasional Arlington Cemetery fighter flyover is staggering.
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May 21, 2021 02:43
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Even older turbofans are fantastically quieter than turbojets.
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e.pilot posted:Even older turbofans are fantastically quieter than turbojets. What in the current inventory, besides T-38s, still uses turbojets?
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May 21, 2021 03:28
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I am curious about airliner controls. Boeing uses ye olde yoke, much as they have been since the beginning of the jet age. 787 737NG 747-100 707 Airbus has been using sidesticks since the A320 was introduced in the late 1980s. A350 A380 A320 A310 Bombardier used yokes for a while, then the C-Series went to sidesticks, and also to Airbus. Dash 8 Embraer takes a cue from Concorde and goes with a handlebar thing. ERJ-190 ERJ-145 Concorde Russian jets used to have yokes, but some of the newer offerings have gone to handlebars and then most recently sidesticks. Il-62 - has an extra wheel on the pilot's side, perhaps for nose wheel steering? Tu-154 Tu-144 - my favorite, since it looks like you could use the yoke as an SNES controller Il-86 - yoke looks like football goalposts Il-96 - no ceiling fan! But still plenty of ventilation so you know it's Russian Tu-204 - handlebars Superjet - sidesticks So, it seems like sidesticks are becoming increasingly dominant. For those who've actually flown these things, is there much to differentiate the styles? Does it just come down to personal preferences? I've always wondered about whether sidesticks can be a challenge when going from the right seat to the left seat and having to use a different hand for the controls. Is it just something you get used to? And any ideas about why the handlebar style is a thing?
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You use a different hand going from right to left seat anyhow, because the thrust levers are still in the middle. Boeing is all yokes Airbus is all side stick Really the differences are pretty negligible, the most meaningful difference is side stick allows for a tray table to eat off of.
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Don't forget that before the yoke lost its top and bottom, it was a control wheel: (Ford Trimotor) And there's also the...I don't know what to call this, exactly, but it's also in that transition from wheels to yokes:  (Cessna 140) and within GA there are occasional weird controls like the Cirrus side-yoke-thing, which rotates around its base like a stick but pushes straight in and out like a yoke:  (Cirrus SR22, and the Cessna 162 has something kind of similar) Most pilots, regardless of handedness, learn to fly with their left hand anyway though because they're in the left seat of a Cessna and they have a center-mounted throttle. It didn't take me long to get used to; if you've driven a standard transmission car you already are used to steering with your left hand and moving a lever with the right. Re. handlebar style my guess is that either (1) it's meant to try and give more clearance for the pilot's knees, or (2) the designers thought it looked rad. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 03:47 on May 21, 2021 |
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Yeah Airbus seems nicer for a legroom / pilot comfort perspective but I don't have any personal experience with sidesticks in real life. Edit: Ahh the Cirrus. I still regret missing out on trying that one my flight school had.
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May 21, 2021 03:46
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Does side sticks not providing feedback about the input from the other one worry you?
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May 21, 2021 03:48
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Timmy Age 6 posted:I am curious about airliner controls. I fly a Falcon 7X and had some misgivings heading to initial training for it 11 years ago - especially coming directly from the 737. Within 10 minutes it was like I'd been flying with a sidestick my whole career. It really is that intuitive. hobbesmaster posted:Does side sticks not providing feedback about the input from the other one worry you? I have never once in more than 3500 hours flying the 7X missed having tactile feedback from the other guy's stick (he he). If you can't maintain positional awareness from the voluminous amount of information displayed you should go fly drones or something.
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Sagebrush posted:
Ah, the age when cars looked like airplanes and airplanes looked like cars
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Advent Horizon posted:What in the current inventory, besides T-38s, still uses turbojets? There's still a very noticeable difference in sound between any commercial airliner, and F16s. e.pilot posted:the most meaningful difference is side stick allows for a tray table to eat off of. Seems problematic. 
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Is there any difficulty telling when the SR22 stick is in the neutral position?
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I have not flown an SR22 specifically, but in an aircraft with mechanical control linkages, the yoke/stick will automatically return to its neutral position through aerodynamic forces on the control surfaces. You don't have to worry about finding a specific spot. Let go of the controls: that's neutral. (the pitch neutral position also changes based on your trim state, so having a specific center point doesn't make sense)
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Sagebrush posted:I have not flown an SR22 specifically, but in an aircraft with mechanical control linkages, the yoke/stick will automatically return to its neutral position through aerodynamic forces on the control surfaces. You don't have to worry about finding a specific spot. Let go of the controls: that's neutral. Many years ago playing IL-2, I didn't understand this. They had introduced more realistic feedback forces and I had an FFB joystick. But it was all limp before takeoff! Turn the centering forces up, way up. Turn everything way up. Ok, a little bit better, now try to take off....joystick immediately tries to shake itself free and escape the desk. The feature got panned on the forums, presumably because all the flight simming grown ups didn't understand this either. I wonder if it was actually pretty good.
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Beastie posted:I moved to the greater Salt Lake area a few months ago and it is awesome for plane spotting. Hill Airforce Base is nearby and every day I'm seeing C130's, formations of Apaches, Chinooks, and more. Go to the Hill Aerospace Museum. Advent Horizon posted:What in the current inventory, besides T-38s, still uses turbojets? The TF33 (E-3, E-8, B-52, OC-135) is basically a turbojet with a couple of fans attached... Godholio fucked around with this message at 07:32 on May 21, 2021 |
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Godholio posted:The TF33 (E-3, E-8, B-52, OC-135) is basically a turbojet with a couple of fans attached... 
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Advent Horizon posted:What in the current inventory, besides T-38s, still uses turbojets? I suddenly remembered the WB-57 but ...  
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Godholio posted:The TF33 (E-3, E-8, B-52, OC-135) is basically a turbojet with a couple of fans attached... L. Ron Hubbard vindicated.
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Platystemon posted:L. Ron Hubbard vindicated. I should get this joke, but I don't weren't the planes carrying the nukes to the volcano with all the thingamajiggers that infest our bodies/souls silver DC-3s or something like that or is it a different reference
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standard.deviant posted:You can drop the OC-135 from that list of active aircraft, they retired it. We'll see if that lasts. The AF is slow-rolling the whole thing. Edit: I forgot the WC-135 though.
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Godholio posted:Go to the Hill Aerospace Museum. Yes! I am planning on it soon. Because.......I need to go to Nevada.....to buy a thing that's not available here in Utah. Edit: I got Hill confused with Wendover in Nevada, just over the border. Doing both!
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Beastie posted:Yes! I am planning on it soon. Because.......I need to go to Nevada.....to buy a thing that's not available here in Utah. Liquor, weed, or prostitutes?
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Safety Dance posted:Liquor, weed, or prostitutes? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdX5UDgQ8x0
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BobHoward posted:I should get this joke, but I don't they were DC-8s, but with rocket engines instead of "propellers" according to L Ron. I don't know what level of irony or confusion we're on here but the DC-8 had J57s, true turbojet engines.
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Sagebrush posted:they were DC-8s, but with rocket engines instead of "propellers" according to L Ron. I don't know what level of irony or confusion we're on here but the DC-8 had J57s, true turbojet engines. His limited knowledge of airplanes informed his limited imagining of spaceships.
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May 21, 2021 21:27
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I'm at the airport and I can see an AN-124 tail but theres no way to get any closer to it without breaking a bunch of laws.
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BobHoward posted:I should get this joke, but I don't Hubbard: Boxed them up in boxes, threw them into space planes. DC-8 airplane is the exact copy of the space plane of that day. No difference, except the DC-8 had fans, propellers on it, and the space plane didn't. https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Story?id=2664713
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In "Who didn't see this coming?" news, Aerion has officially gone tits-up, after the whole "sell a bunch of supersonic business jets" business plan turned out to not be viable. [url]CNBC: Aerion Supersonic shuts down, ending plans to build silent high speed business jets. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/21/aerion-supersonic-shuts-down-ending-plans-for-silent-business-jets.html[/url]
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azflyboy posted:In "Who didn't see this coming?" news, Aerion has officially gone tits-up, after the whole "sell a bunch of supersonic business jets" business plan turned out to not be viable. So in the end was it a VC money drain scam or money laundering op or both?
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Carth Dookie posted:So in the end was it a VC money drain scam or money laundering op or both? Yes
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