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That is hosed up but then why would he change his tune now instead of going along with US line that Israel should be allowed to kill as many people as it can.
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oxsnard posted:Noah's take was way lame but, the framing of it is excellent and probably a better tool for convincing normal people who have passively marinated in decades of western propaganda than (correctly fwiw) pointing out that Zionists are nazis I'd interpret this more as a sign of the sea change forcing their hand rather than giving any credit to Trevor Noah for doing the right thing. Liberals who watch the Daily Show don't really need convincing, they're already primed for whatever the tv man tells them to believe, and the tv men are all pissed off about the AP getting bombed.
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May 21, 2021 02:21
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I mean yeah but the "with great power comes great responsibility" poo poo works really well with pudding brained Americans
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That video was made days before Israel decided to make themselves look even worse by bombing the building AP was in.
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May 21, 2021 02:23
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:watch biden get credit from US press for his reported "private" pressure (while publicly supporting israel) I've heard this line on NPR on my drive home just a little bit ago, so yeah.
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May 21, 2021 02:24
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Lostconfused posted:Finally watched this video and it's good. The main issue is that the power relationship is irrelevant. Even if Palestine was as powerful as Israel, the fact is that Israel is
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May 21, 2021 02:46
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Atrocious Joe posted:Killing Gaza by Dan Cohen and Max Blumenthal is about the 2014 assault seeing those poor kids playing in the bombed out rubble of a mosque. they're somehow making the best of it. 
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May 21, 2021 02:48
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the new thing for pro-genociders is taking videos of pro-israeli demonstrators in new york getting their rear end kicked by chad palestinian advocates and saying "see they're attacking jews!"
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May 21, 2021 02:52
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the big israeli support march is june 6th in nyc i'm sure there will be many such cases
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May 21, 2021 02:54
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Bullfrog posted:the new thing for pro-genociders is taking videos of pro-israeli demonstrators in new york getting their rear end kicked by chad palestinian advocates and saying "see they're attacking jews!"
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May 21, 2021 02:54
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:thinking about going off and blasting a few rounds into the air to commemorate this victory over the zionist entity but someone might call the police Some joker is gonna start this back up with a celebratory bottle rocket. They seem pleased, but at least from the Syria situation and the past, I've become accustomed to ceasefires being bullshit. Do you figure it'll hold?
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May 21, 2021 02:58
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'd interpret this more as a sign of the sea change forcing their hand rather than giving any credit to Trevor Noah for doing the right thing. Liberals who watch the Daily Show don't really need convincing, they're already primed for whatever the tv man tells them to believe, and the tv men are all pissed off about the AP getting bombed. punk rebel ecks posted:"Pro-Israeli Demonstrators"? I thought they were the Proud Boys.
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May 21, 2021 03:03
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yes, i'm sure these guys were interested in peaceful dialogue
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May 21, 2021 03:05
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May 21, 2021 03:05
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Bullfrog posted:the new thing for pro-genociders is taking videos of pro-israeli demonstrators in new york getting their rear end kicked by chad palestinian advocates and saying "see they're attacking jews!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1395509027996676107?s=20 https://twitter.com/HikindDov/status/1395349533899595779?s=20 https://twitter.com/Eve_Barlow/status/1395537540065632259?s=20
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May 21, 2021 03:11
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I'm seeing alot of people saying that something is really changing regards to the narrative, but what if it's just ephemeral? The media is in full swing trying to bury this. The loving AP fired a reporter on the spot for being part of a pro Palestine student group after having their offices bombed.
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May 21, 2021 03:21
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1395509027996676107?s=20 playing the victim after caping for the IDF while they slaughter palestinian children and murking entire families is pretty rich
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May 21, 2021 03:23
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They have the moral highground as long as you don't dig into it at all, which may depressingly be good enough for them.
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May 21, 2021 03:28
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ToxicAcne posted:I'm seeing alot of people saying that something is really changing regards to the narrative, but what if it's just ephemeral? The media is in full swing trying to bury this. The loving AP fired a reporter on the spot for being part of a pro Palestine student group after having their offices bombed. I think it's absolutely fair to say that this time things played out differently than they have previously. The hasbara narrative didn't seem to get nearly as much traction as it usually does, despite US politicians doing their unbearable Likudnik schtick. It's also absolutely fair to question whether or not this indicates a trend, because yeah, I'm not sure there's evidence of that either. I hope so, but we're not likely to know until the next time poo poo flares up
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May 21, 2021 03:29
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Just remember that last year, Defund the police had genuine mass support and now it's dead. We don't have free speech in our societies, it's just manafactured speech.Bombarding people with lies seems to be enough to pacify them.
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May 21, 2021 03:32
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ToxicAcne posted:I'm seeing alot of people saying that something is really changing regards to the narrative, but what if it's just ephemeral? The media is in full swing trying to bury this. The loving AP fired a reporter on the spot for being part of a pro Palestine student group after having their offices bombed. There's no reason to assume that any of this will bear consequences in the near future or even years down the line, but Zionists put a ton of effort into the "war of words" for a reason, and it's because Israel needs unconditional support from America to survive as a settler state.
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May 21, 2021 03:33
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the "team biden ended the war" headlines are coming in thick now
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May 21, 2021 03:42
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ToxicAcne posted:Just remember that last year, Defund the police had genuine mass support and now it's dead. We don't have free speech in our societies, it's just manafactured speech.Bombarding people with lies seems to be enough to pacify them. movements typically advance in fits and starts. Right wing media and even the New York Times have written about how the protests last year made the mass mobilizations for Palestine possible this year, and I don't think they're completely wrong.
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Palestinian solidarity with BLM was definitely a factor in how many black activists were willing to risk blacklisting from the Zionist media complex.
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May 21, 2021 03:48
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also just bc the media stops reporting polling numbers about support for police abolition doesn't mean people actually en masse forgot about the protests or just suddenly don't care about living in a police state. well lots don't care and never will but it still absolutely radicalized loads of people across the country
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May 21, 2021 03:53
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https://twitter.com/ShehabAgency/status/1395573062729445381?s=20quote:#شاهد Cheers by Al-Qassam Brigades at the gates of Al-Aqsa Mosque in front of the occupation soldiers
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May 21, 2021 03:54
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It's going to be interesting to see if the media can pull a blackout when Israel starts this up again in a couple of days
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May 21, 2021 03:55
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:I think it's absolutely fair to say that this time things played out differently than they have previously. The hasbara narrative didn't seem to get nearly as much traction as it usually does, despite US politicians doing their unbearable Likudnik schtick. It's also absolutely fair to question whether or not this indicates a trend, because yeah, I'm not sure there's evidence of that either. I hope so, but we're not likely to know until the next time poo poo flares up We are going to be bombarded by pro Israel propaganda on levels never before seen.
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I'm expecting Tlaib and Omar to get the full Corbyn treatment. And mainstream arguments over if the mass protests in the US for Palestine had the potential to become pogroms.gradenko_2000 posted:It's going to be interesting to see if the media can pull a blackout when Israel starts this up again in a couple of days https://twitter.com/SarsourDima/status/1395574924891275265?s=20
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May 21, 2021 04:08
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Hasbara's problem has always been that it's too successful, which is why they're so bad at making any kind of positive arguments in favor of Israel. When it's too easy to lie and get away with it you'll just get really bad at lying. I don't doubt there will be a backlash, but I don't see how it will be received as little more than the pathetic bleating of entitled babies who are losing their grip. My right wing adjacent friend has been sending me choice bits of idiocy from the ar15 dot com forums for a while now, and if you want to get a sense of what support for Israel really looks like this is as good a thread as any. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Lauren-Chen-The-right-s-Israel-obsession/5-2454481/?page=1 These guys are all living in 2004. They can't even understand why some reactionaries are tired of defending Israel.
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despite the terrible cost, the Palestinian resistance really outdid themselves this time, they genuinely brought the fight to the regular Israeli in a way no Arab army was ever capable of and made the price for the typical Israeli moron (e.g they don’t get to have peaceful beach days or live their normal daily lives), also in the Arab world the sheer barbarity of Israel and their settlers was a big boon to anti-normalization activists and media. Arab morale was significantly improved after a decade of nothing but disasters. also the western world public opinion saw a massive backlash against Israel, big ups to that. also what also helped was the unprecedented mobilization of 48 arabs in historic palestine and the massive strikes, the only real questions to be asked is what happens to sheikh jarrah, can the evictions be halted and how to overcome the problem of Mahmoud Abbas and his thoroughly corrupt collaborationist fatah clique.
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Atrocious Joe posted:I'm expecting Tlaib and Omar to get the full Corbyn treatment.
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Real hurthling! posted:the "team biden ended the war" headlines are coming in thick now 
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May 21, 2021 05:03
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Echo Chamber posted:I honestly think Rashida Tlaib has a shot at the White House. Tlaib has a lot of people mad with her voting for extra cops, especially when it won by one vote
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Echo Chamber posted:I honestly think Rashida Tlaib has a shot at the White House. She's literally the only good squad member. Jews, in America at least, are considered white unless being looked at through the most extreme lens of white supremacy.
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punk rebel ecks posted:She's literally the only good squad member. Uh, excuse me, Ilhan Omar is the best squad member
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Thinking it over, the immediate political question is if the racist settler mobs continue to be allowed to take the streets. This ceasefire doesn't seem like the type of victory that'll satisfy fascists.
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