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MiddleOne posted:The older, I get the more I start feeling like an authoritarian bent is just an inherent part of what a police force is. With the scale of it mirroring authoritarian sentiments in the politically vocal population. It's not that strange, policing as it is in society is about upholding the rules and regulations of a centralized authority, a very central theme of authoritarianism. It is very hard to reshape this core aspect without also greatly adjusting the organization of society at large.
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MiddleOne posted:The older, I get the more I start feeling like an authoritarian bent is just an inherent part of what a police force is. With the scale of it mirroring authoritarian sentiments in the politically vocal population. Authority is a pretty integral part of civilization. But obviously it's enforcers reflect it more in their beliefs and politics.
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May 12, 2021 15:59
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Point is; if you have nazi's operating brazenly in polite society, you definitely have them in the police.
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May 12, 2021 19:09
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Zudgemud posted:It's not that strange, policing as it is in society is about upholding the rules and regulations of a centralized authority, a very central theme of authoritarianism. It is very hard to reshape this core aspect without also greatly adjusting the organization of society at large. Also the police was founded to protect property rights (or catch slaves, which was the same thing) and is a much more recent invention then people commonly imagine.
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May 13, 2021 11:01
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Orange Devil posted:Also the police was founded to protect property rights (or catch slaves, which was the same thing) and is a much more recent invention then people commonly imagine. I far prefer the Watch from Discworld 
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Orange Devil posted:Also the police was founded to protect property rights (or catch slaves, which was the same thing) and is a much more recent invention then people commonly imagine.
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May 13, 2021 11:20
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Toplowtech posted:It was greatly improved in term of method and efficiency when a former Criminal named Vidocq took over and mostly used under Napoleon to spy on, control and bust left wing circle (also tons of monarchist ones too but not as many). It's indeed created to serve the interest of the people who created it, like most of law. The system is there to preserve the system and the interest of the people in control. Good lord that guy's wikipedia is a trip by age 18: quote:Despite regular beatings, he worked hard enough to get promoted from stable boy to playing a Caribbean cannibal who eats raw meat. He could not stomach[clarification needed] this for very long, so he switched to a group of puppeteers. However, he was banished from them because he flirted with the young wife of his employer. He then worked some time as an assistant of a peddler, but as soon as he neared Arras, he returned to his parents seeking forgiveness. He was welcomed by his mother with open arms. by age 20: quote:In 1795, still under the alias of Rousseau, he joined the armée roulante ("flying army"). This army consisted of "officers" who in reality had neither commissions nor regiments. They were raiders, forging routes, ranks and uniforms but staying away from the battlefields. Vidocq began as a lieutenant of chasseurs but soon promoted himself to a hussar captain. In this role, he met a rich widow in Brussels[N 4] who became fond of him. A co-conspirator of Vidocq's convinced her that Vidocq was a young nobleman on the run because of the French Revolution. Shortly before their wedding, Vidocq confessed to her. Then he left the city, but not without a generous cash gift from her. by age 25: quote:In the prison of Bicêtre, Vidocq was to wait several months for the transfer to the Bagne in Brest to toil in the galleys. A fellow inmate taught him the martial art of savate, which was later to prove useful to him. An escape attempt on 3 October 1797 failed and precipitated his placement in a dungeon for eight days.
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May 13, 2021 12:11
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I guess that's what a Ph.D. from the school of hard knocks looks like.
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May 13, 2021 13:09
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Nosre posted:Good lord that guy's wikipedia is a trip He is the inspiration behind many books characters in French literature, like le Pére Goriot, the criminal Vautrin (actually his youth nickname). Also two characters you may have heard of: Jean Valjean and Javert. Les Misérables is litterally a book that can be understood as Vidocq at two points of his life, hunting himself. All cops are bastard but Vidocq was a magnificent bastard. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 13:22 on May 13, 2021 |
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May 13, 2021 13:18
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The beatings continued until morale improved, it seems.
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His Divine Shadow posted:The beatings continued until morale improved, it seems. since police officers seem to love beating people regardless of how you treat them, maybe we should reinstate disciplinary beatings for police officers
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Orange Devil posted:Also the police was founded to protect property rights (or catch slaves, which was the same thing) and is a much more recent invention then people commonly imagine. How are the Police any different than Ye Olde City Guard
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Yesterday Croatia had local elections. The new left took the capital (Zagreb) with even nicer advantage than expected - 45% to Tomaević. The right wing candidate koro overtook the former mayor's deputy JPL in the last moment, and will face Tomaević in the second round with only 12% of votes. In Split, the second largest city, a cultured centrist Puljak unexpectedly leads in the first round. He's a CERN physicist and a welcome diversion from the mostly right-wing and trashy Split politics. Rijeka maintains the eternal old left leadership, and Osijek is eternally right wing. All in all, not bad. The big question is can the new left successfully lead Zagreb and transform it to national level in the next parliament elections. Also they have to survive not just in a political but in a literal sense too since they threaten the contracts the city of Zagreb has with mafia-owned businesses.
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The Danes being cunts to refugees again? Denmark asylum: The Syrian refugees no longer welcome to stay BBC posted:Over the past year the immigration service has been reassessing the cases of more than 1,200 refugees from the wider Damascus region. "The conditions in Damascus in Syria are no longer so serious that there are grounds for granting or extending temporary residence permits," it said. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 09:49 on May 19, 2021 |
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May 19, 2021 09:46
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Doctor Malaver posted:Yesterday Croatia had local elections. The new left took the capital (Zagreb) with even nicer advantage than expected - 45% to Tomaević. The right wing candidate koro overtook the former mayor's deputy JPL in the last moment, and will face Tomaević in the second round with only 12% of votes. At local level trouncing was even harder, in some Zagreb city districts Mozemo! has 10 out of 15 councilors, with us having the most votes in 16 out of 17 districts, and a majority in 12 out 17. Also, hello from a new local councilor.
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Gervasius posted:At local level trouncing was even harder, in some Zagreb city districts Mozemo! has 10 out of 15 councilors, with us having the most votes in 16 out of 17 districts, and a majority in 12 out 17. Congrats, you're gonna hate it.
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Gervasius posted:Also, hello from a new local councilor. Congratulations. I would've probably been one myself if I weren't dislocated temporarily.
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Gervasius posted:At local level trouncing was even harder, in some Zagreb city districts Mozemo! has 10 out of 15 councilors, with us having the most votes in 16 out of 17 districts, and a majority in 12 out 17. How does Croatia govern their towns? Here in America we have a variety of municipal government types and I'm curious if that also applies in other countries.
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when precisely did Danes become such cunts? Like, they always were our nice, social-democratic northern neighbors with slightly better schools, democracy, institutions etc. who buy beer and have many holiday cottages at the sea for rich people to rent. And now, suddenly, they are all like "We are gonna put brown people in a CAMP, on an ISLAND, in the NORTH SEA because we HATE MUSLISMS" and it's their... social democratic party? wat
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That's a trick question, there has always been an underlying racism, but we've been blissfully living in an extremely homogeneous bubble society for a long-rear end time, with the most dangerous neighbors being other white people (Swedes, Brits, Germans and so on), and some vague idea that weird brown people exist elsewhere in the world, in faraway lands. Being exposed to actual brown Muslims made a significant percentage of the population realize how xenophobic they actually are, and the populists pounced on the opportunity to rustle up some good old fear about losing our beer and pork forever. And now we're literally putting children in concentration camps.
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Haramstufe Rot posted:when precisely did Danes become such cunts? Much the same way you can see the cracks in the Canadian image when you look at how indigenous peoples are still treated there. The horrible truth about Denmark is that they did a better job of historical revisionism to erase its colonial past than just about anyone else. No one in Denmark can name a building nor institution that was built with slave labour nor the profits from it. And you will never hear the word "slavery" used: instead it's "plantations" and "farms" for sugar canes and so on. The right-wing government couldn't even be bothered to make a basic effort to educate people about the centennial of the sale of the West Indies to the US. The PM went to Saint Helena and said a bunch of nothing, and that was it. Very similar to all the hemming and hawing at the 1619 Project. (Whose creator just got her tenure vetoed at the University of North Carolina.) It's just that much harder for America to deny its past because it's so blatantly out there, and the country was literally founded on genocide and settler colonialism, whereas Denmark is just remembered as some cute vikings with historically inaccurate horned helmets, and did you know that they have the oldest flag in the world etc. In short, the worst thing that can happen to a country is when people inside and outside start thinking racism doesn't exist there. Which makes it harder to not just hide, but also actively erase any evidence of it. kliras fucked around with this message at 16:06 on May 20, 2021 |
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Haramstufe Rot posted:And now, suddenly, they are all like "We are gonna put brown people in a CAMP, on an ISLAND, in the NORTH SEA because we HATE MUSLISMS" and it's their... social democratic party?
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I think it's important to understand that Scandinavian (and I will add Dutch to this as well) social-democracy is *heavily* based on a feeling of innate superiority which has turned into a rich feeding ground for racism once the country became more globalised and less ethnically homogenous and also has made us institutionally able to learn from others when our ideological commitment to idealism fails us, like say in the case of a pandemic.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:This is just plain false. The island is in the Baltic. That is old information, the new island is in the South Funen archipelago[1]. It's Langeland, and the people who live there are pissed. Not because it's an inhumane concentration camp, but because it will be housing criminal brown people, which will interfere with their little countryside white people paradise. [1]Man, that does sound kind of fancy. While it does have some absurdly pretty areas, it is certainly not fancy.
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Orange Devil posted:I think it's important to understand that Scandinavian (and I will add Dutch to this as well) social-democracy is *heavily* based on a feeling of innate superiority which has turned into a rich feeding ground for racism once the country became more globalised and less ethnically homogenous and also has made us institutionally able to learn from others when our ideological commitment to idealism fails us, like say in the case of a pandemic. That said Denmark in particular seem to be really pushing the envelope in that particular direction. I mean okay the Dutch occasionally try as well, but against the Danes it's not even a contest.
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Private Speech posted:That said Denmark in particular seem to be really pushing the envelope in that particular direction. Our last elections saw 4 fascist parties elected to parliament, and since one of them has just split we're up to 5 now. Together they occupy 29 out of 150 seats. The Danes are thoroughly poo poo, but so are we.
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KozmoNaut posted:That is old information, the new island is in the South Funen archipelago[1].
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Lawman 0 posted:How does Croatia govern their towns? Here in America we have a variety of municipal government types and I'm curious if that also applies in other countries. Pretty much, I can only talk about Zagreb because it is the largest city in the country and has some special things working for it. You have mayor, you have city assembly, and then you have 17 city districts and 200ish local councils. Local councils work mostly in advisory capacity towards districts and city assembly. However, we had a massively corrupt mayor who ruled the city for 20 years until he croaked at the end of February, throwing entire elections in disarray. His party imploded and is probably finished.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Langeland is in the Baltic, since it's south of the Danish Straits. Funen is a sovereign nation, with its own sovereign seas! We shall accept no revisionism to the borders of our leifig lands! Brunsviger å' kaf'! Runner mæ brunner!
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Orange Devil posted:Our last elections saw 4 fascist parties elected to parliament, and since one of them has just split we're up to 5 now. Together they occupy 29 out of 150 seats. The Danes are thoroughly poo poo, but so are we. The even more depressing part is that this isn't out of the norm in much of the world. 29 seats out of 150 is 29 too many but I'm still counting my blessings that we're not one of the countries where fascists have an actual majority. Or where there's all of two parties you can vote for and they are both fascist parties. The fascist parties are also political poison and generally no non-fascist party wants to form a coalition with them. The VVD flirted with the idea for a bit but that was probably just posturing to pull D66 away from trying to get too many leftish parties into the coalition. What I am currently more worried about than fascists in the Netherlands is that the VVD is the largest party. The party that has been loving poo poo up for 10 years, they said ahead of the elections that they wanted radical change but even before a coalition has been formed they have already said j/k, which should surprise nobody because the status quo is what they themselves have been building for 10 years. Anyone who believes they are the designated party to change things for the better is massively naive. Polls a bit after the elections were down from 34 to 24 for a bit after some controversies but after that swiftly climbed back up to like 36, so a massive chunk of dutchmen still want these fuckers in charge. The VVD stands for everything staying the same forever which is perfect for all the people who like to pretend the Netherlands is already a perfect country and who want to keep their normalcy bias alive as long as possible while monorities are exploited and until we all die from climate change.
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KozmoNaut posted:Funen is a sovereign nation, with its own sovereign seas! We shall accept no revisionism to the borders of our leifig lands! Don't forget the whipped cream for that brunsviger!
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THE BAR posted:Don't forget the whipped cream for that brunsviger! You'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes, for your crimes against brunsviger.
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KozmoNaut posted:You'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes, for your crimes against brunsviger. Don't forget koldskål, or karrysalat - all shall fall to Northern Jutland's whipped cream regime. E:  WITNESS THE FACE OF YOUR DEMISE! THE BAR fucked around with this message at 09:53 on May 21, 2021 |
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I was only introduced to that version recently, and I have to admit, it does have something going for it. The whipped cream and candy cuts down the richness of the cake ever so slightly, making for a more refreshing and healthier treat.KozmoNaut posted:Funen is a sovereign nation, with its own sovereign seas! We shall accept no revisionism to the borders of our leifig lands!
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Orange Devil posted:I think it's important to understand that Scandinavian (and I will add Dutch to this as well) social-democracy is *heavily* based on a feeling of innate superiority which has turned into a rich feeding ground for racism once the country became more globalised and less ethnically homogenous and also has made us institutionally able to learn from others when our ideological commitment to idealism fails us, like say in the case of a pandemic. i absolutely disagree with this interpretation of the history of scandinavian social democracy fwiw
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like, i do not think that adopting the right wing's interpretation of social democracy's success is a wise move and i also think that it's a bad interpretation of actual historical evidence rather i would posit factors like small, relatively weak states, bourgeoisie entities under serious pressure due to a heavy reliance on primary refining which was going to hell, a fairly well-educated and well-organised working class and, crucially, an administration relatively independent of the bourgeoisie and able to accommodate compromises between these factions. the norwegian labour movement was both fairly multi-cultural (finns, germans and swedes made up a fair chunk of the norwegian working class of its day) and reasonably internationalist, as seen with e.g. the spain and finland aid initiatives
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Yeah. From Finnish perspective our social democracy has incredibly bloody history and it was steeped in the class conflict. The success of it had more to do with USSR being a threat to bourgeoise establishment than any right wing fantasy of ethnically homogenous society building somekind of (national) socialistic system. The roots of it are in the sacrifices of the 1918 working class whose actions, right or wrong, were much more divisive for the society than any recent immigrant "crisis" could ever be.
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Also I meant "institutionally unable" in case that wasnt clear.
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lol no one else freaked out by Belarus straight up hijacking and EU-to-EU bound passenger flight? I mean jesus. https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1396437732700958723
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