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There was a blurb in that reddit post saying that once pops are "aware" of things like egalitarianism, socialism and anarchism that their demands start increasing so perhaps that is a part of it?
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GrossMurpel posted:Maybe I'm blind but it didn't say why keeping Russia a serf state would create more radicals, right? Literacy determines what standard of living they want so if you keep that low, you can keep the standard of living low, and they won't become radicals? AnEdgelord posted:There was a blurb in that reddit post saying that once pops are "aware" of things like egalitarianism, socialism and anarchism that their demands start increasing so perhaps that is a part of it? The key point is still literacy it seems like. Overall literacy determines how many of your innovation points you can invest into tech research per day/month and it seems local literacy will determine the local spread of innovations and ideas like egalitarianism and socialism which will increase POPs' expected standard of living. So by keeping literacy low you can prevent radicalism and the spread of potentially dangerous ideas that increase radicalism, but by doing so you will limit yourself technologically (and as a consequence industrially) and will fall behind other nations in the longer term.
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Hellioning posted:Here is an article about Vicky 3 and here is more specific stuff from that person from Reddit. I am losing my mind reading this holy poo poo
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GrossMurpel posted:Maybe I'm blind but it didn't say why keeping Russia a serf state would create more radicals, right? Literacy determines what standard of living they want so if you keep that low, you can keep the standard of living low, and they won't become radicals? AnEdgelord posted:There was a blurb in that reddit post saying that once pops are "aware" of things like egalitarianism, socialism and anarchism that their demands start increasing so perhaps that is a part of it? Randarkman posted:The key point is still literacy it seems like. Overall literacy determines how many of your innovation points you can invest into tech research per day/month and it seems local literacy will determine the local spread of innovations and ideas like egalitarianism and socialism which will increase POPs' expected standard of living. So by keeping literacy low you can prevent radicalism and the spread of potentially dangerous ideas that increase radicalism, but by doing so you will limit yourself technologically (and as a consequence industrially) and will fall behind other nations in the longer term.
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May 22, 2021 14:42
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TheFlyingLlama posted:vicky 3 is good news, but we're still missing news on the most important game of all; when is Victorian Secrets getting released??? Much like the complete remastered Timesplitters being hidden within Homefront the revolution, so will Victorian Secrets be hidden within V3.
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May 22, 2021 14:45
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TheFlyingLlama posted:Victorian Secrets  Don't click if you are a 19th century child cleaning heavy machinery for halfpence a week.
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May 22, 2021 14:54
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Speculating based on what we've seen, I think if you truly wanted to you could maintain a low radicalization serf state, but as you say, it would come at the cost of basically forcing permanent agrarian status on your country. At which point you as Russia would end up getting treated like China. Yeah any state that tries that might as well put a "future colonies here" sign out front. The great powers are gonna eat you alive.
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Red Bones posted:The 1836 - 1936 timespan of the game was actually a pretty major period for a lot of countries doing large scale urban redevelopment of major city centres, and of countries building monumental national museums/parliaments/opera houses/etc etc, sometimes out of practical interests (e.g. with urban redevelopment, paved roads, modernised sewage systems etc), sometimes as part of nationalist sentiments or in efforts toward nation-building in a cultural or political sense, or just as nationalist demonstrations of the prowess/wealth/capability of a country. The statue of liberty, the empire state building, a lot of the big 'monumental' buildings in Washington DC like the Lincoln Memorial were built in this period in America. Christ the Redeemer in Rio is another example from South America. Napoléon III basically bulldozed and rebuilt Paris. (Know all those wide fancy avenues? They're for rapid troop movements and being unbarricadeable) There could be a cool expansion system focused not just on monuments but on having a "modern city". I feel like this is also more Vicky-thematic than having the state pour resources into building the Eiffel Tower.
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May 22, 2021 15:10
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Release Victoria 3 right this instant you cowards
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May 22, 2021 15:12
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:Release Victoria 3 right this instant you cowards
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May 22, 2021 15:13
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:No dont, only release it when it is done and bug-free. This will never happen.
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May 22, 2021 15:15
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Vicky 3 is a fake game, thrown out to distract us from the recent fuckups.
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May 22, 2021 15:20
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Reading that huge reddit post just screams out to me that the team seems to have done their homework in reading Capital vol. I as a suitable backdrop for simulating this time period.  quote:i.e. Privately Owned workshops will employ Capitalists who get most of the wealth generated with the workers getting only wages, whereas in a Worker Cooperative, the people doing the work own the workshop and split the Wealth it generates evenly. quote:Production buildings have resource inputs and outputs, Throughput rating, and pay wages to all employed POPs. If their output can sell for more than their inputs, they will generate dividends that are paid to the owners and increase their Wealth. The labor theory of value!!!
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May 22, 2021 15:34
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Vicky 3 is a fake game, thrown out to distract us from the recent fuckups. What happened? I have been out of the loop, paradox speaking, but Vicky 3 has brought me back like the prodigal son.
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May 22, 2021 16:15
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Duh, if they're going to make an economy simulator they're obviously going to want to use the one that actually worksHot Dog Day #82 posted:
They released an EU4 patch which ultrafucked everything like countries would disappear from the map, provinces would get 1000s of development and save games would be corrupted
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May 22, 2021 16:16
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:What happened? I have been out of the loop, paradox speaking, but Vicky 3 has brought me back like the prodigal son. A Stellaris update that was really good but had some minor bugs/design decisions that people didn't like and an EUIV update that was incredibly bad and made the game unplayable for 3 patches (it's now at playable but usual release buggy level) mostly. Also a lot of general dissatisfaction because Paradox DLC releases have been mediocre/not exciting for awhile now.
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May 22, 2021 16:18
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RabidWeasel posted:Duh, if they're going to make an economy simulator they're obviously going to want to use the one that actually works Do you want the simulator to work or the economy? Pick one.
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May 22, 2021 16:28
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What's this Victorian Secrets thing everyone keeps mentioning
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May 22, 2021 16:33
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DrSunshine posted:Reading that huge reddit post just screams out to me that the team seems to have done their homework in reading Capital vol. I as a suitable backdrop for simulating this time period. 
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May 22, 2021 16:40
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Farecoal posted:What's this Victorian Secrets thing everyone keeps mentioning
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May 22, 2021 16:44
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At least we can soon move from "Vicky 3 when?" memes to "Vicky 3 fixed when?" memes.
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May 22, 2021 16:45
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Farecoal posted:What's this Victorian Secrets thing everyone keeps mentioning https://twitter.com/GeopolDatingSim
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Westminster System posted:At least we can soon move from "Vicky 3 when?" memes to "Vicky 3 fixed when?" memes.
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May 22, 2021 17:05
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I thought one of the reasons they took so long to revisit Vicky's timeframe was because it seemed even more niche and problematic than their other games. I wonder how they'll try to maintain their appeal.
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May 22, 2021 17:11
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I don't understand how Victorian age is any more niche than the Early Modern period. The reasoning never held up to me
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May 22, 2021 17:14
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Is taking over Africa by pushing buttons more problematic than colonizing the New World and putting down revolts every few years by pushing buttons?
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Gaius Marius posted:I don't understand how Victorian age is any more niche than the Early Modern period. The reasoning never held up to me Especially because a lot of popular media is set during the era
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is taking over Africa by pushing buttons more problematic than colonizing the New World and putting down revolts every few years by pushing buttons? Probably not but EU4 gameplay is profoundly bad and boring so them going in another direction is a good sign!
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SlothfulCobra posted:I thought one of the reasons they took so long to revisit Vicky's timeframe was because it seemed even more niche and problematic than their other games. I wonder how they'll try to maintain their appeal. The announcement trailer for CK3 was about murdering a newborn
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eXXon posted:Do you want the simulator to work or the economy? Pick one. the mistake most designers interested in making a game economy make is to go for the textbook thinking, like, trying to bake micro and macroeconomics into it (vicky2 is a great example). if you go the other way, putting the economics to work for the gameplay, you get into great places that are actually sounder than quite a bit of contemporary economic thinking. This AoE2 video is, from theory standpoint, an amazing explanation on labor theory of value and is totally incidental https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp6UrCWFcyk
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Mantis42 posted:The announcement trailer for CK3 was about murdering a newborn And again, you can literally play the nazis in HoI4
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AnEdgelord posted:And again, you can literally play the nazis in HoI4 Up until today's date, if you're playing the USSR and don't do the political and military purgues like a paranoid Stalin, you do get couped by the conspirators that were in fact trying to overthrow you.
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Mans posted:Up until today's date, if you're playing the USSR and don't do the political and military purgues like a paranoid Stalin, you do get couped by the conspirators that were in fact trying to overthrow you. or you game it with a mini civil war getting xp and keeping a bunch of good leaders
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1. It's a smaller timeframe 2. While there's a lot of plausible deniability in new world colonization because a lot more atrocities were done by sub-state actors acting on their own volition without much input from up top, and disease killed a lot of people without any direct responsibility, the colonization of the 19th century and especially the partition of Africa was done with a lot of top-level input that the player would have to get involved in. 3. Depending on implementation, it seems like there's less room for expansion in war, less opportunities to work your way up from nothing, and so it may lack a more basic appeal to wargamers 4. The focus on internal ideology and building up and moving people around is a more obscure type of game that may appeal to a different audience but may be put off by the wargaming aspect that is still there But y'know, I'm no expert on these games, and I'm not the prime audience buying them either. I still don't really know why Imperator seemingly flopped.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I still don't really know why Imperator seemingly flopped. It was unfortunately very bad and didn’t get the No Mans Sky level of free post game support required to save it. I know there were some attempts but yeah, it’s just not good.
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SlothfulCobra posted:1. It's a smaller timeframe As for shorter timeframe, I feel like there's a point to be made about centuries just blurring together when looking into the past. Like, CK is just "medieval times", while Victoria stretches through different episodes of history - and if we're thinking of an American audience - like half its history, including huge events like the Civil War. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 18:12 on May 22, 2021 |
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Also to the second point, EUIV does nothing to simulate non-state actors, so outside of a few rare events the process of settler colonialism is very much one driven by the player.
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Vagabong posted:Also to the second point, EUIV does nothing to simulate non-state actors, so outside of a few rare events the process of settler colonialism is very much one driven by the player. Uh did you forget about the wonder of Estate interactions. EUIV has wonderful non state centered gameplay
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One of the big problematic issues with Victoria 2 (which modders stepped in to slightly alleviate) is that the entire continent of Africa is portrayed as a nationless gray blob that does absolutely nothing at all until a European country "tames" it. It seems like they are going to fix that in this new sequel. Every Paradox game allows you to do absolutely horrific things if you choose, but that's different from the developers seeming racist by portraying the many nations of Africa in that way.Shimrra Jamaane posted:It was unfortunately very bad and didn’t get the No Mans Sky level of free post game support required to save it. I know there were some attempts but yeah, it’s just not good. Imperator is quite compelling now, I've been playing a ton of it.
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Gaius Marius posted:Uh did you forget about the wonder of Estate interactions. EUIV has wonderful non state centered gameplay
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