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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1396015144233222144 Yeah since there is basically 0 uptake of the vaccine in India yet, there wouldn't really be any selective pressure on the virus to develop resistant variants there. It seems more likely to happen as soon as there is a large proportion of vaccinated individuals in an area, but still no herd immunity. My personal hunch - if it happens, it's gonna be somewhere with lots of vaccinated people and also lots of people who don't protect themselves. With lax protocols for distancing, masking, tracing etc. In other words, somewhere in the US.
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greazeball posted:0.03% chance: Getting coronavirus after being vaccinated incredibly rare in L.A. County These are incredibly good numbers, but I wonder how much lower it would have been if people were worried about community transmission instead of... I dunno, it's kind of "gently caress you I got my vaccine" out there right now.
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Yeah since there is basically 0 uptake of the vaccine in India yet, there wouldn't really be any selective pressure on the virus to develop resistant variants there. It seems more likely to happen as soon as there is a large proportion of vaccinated individuals in an area, but still no herd immunity. 81% efficiency against a variant, with just the base vaccine alone no booster shots, is great news. Not really sure how you can read that and immediately start hunching about the worst hypothetical outcome.
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bollig posted:One of my better friends is married to basically a turd of a human. He was boring at best before all this. I'm doomed to see him for the rest of my natural life because I'm godfather to his kid and his wife is legit one of my favorite people. He's been very vocal and skeptical about Covid and poo poo like that. Whatever. Annoying and causing me to shake my head. But whatever. But recently he's been posting pictures with "Impfung macht Frei" (Impfung=vaccine). And then today a yellow 6 sided star with "unimpfed" (unvaccinated) in like Hebrew script. I honestly am at a loss for words about it. Fluffy Bunnies posted:I've seen the impfung macht frei poo poo but holy poo poo doing that star of David poo poo is sinister. That particular iconography is super popular on anti-vax social media and people bring it to lockdown protests a whole lot         The right thinks it's really clever to co-opt the language and 'arguments' of the left and turn them around and go "Now let's see how YOU like being called a Nazi" and it's always incredibly stupid and cringeworthy.
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Sjs00 posted:whoa thats loving dumb Don't make me tap the sign Snowglobe of Doom posted:There's always more and it's always way more dumber than you could have ever suspected
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greazeball posted:0.03% chance: Getting coronavirus after being vaccinated incredibly rare in L.A. County Good numbers, did the article give numbers on the number of people who weren't vaccinated that caught covid in LA county after May 7th? When looking at a number of 0.03%, I want to know what to compare it to. (Or perhaps they are measuring anyone who was fully vaxxed before May 7th who caught covid after being fully vaxxed, and we'd need to compare.) Because this would give us an idea of the real world efficacy of the vaccine + efficacy of differences in behavior there are in the vaccinated vs non-vaccinated populations.
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TacoNight posted:Good numbers, did the article give numbers on the number of people who weren't vaccinated that caught covid in LA county after May 7th? When looking at a number of 0.03%, I want to know what to compare it to. From the article, yes that was fully vaccinated for 0.03%. This includes the effect of any NPI used during the study duration too of course. The infectivity numbers are interesting compared to this pre-print  
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There’s a 0.03% breakthrough rate on bulletproof vests. Most of them don’t get shot. 
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greazeball posted:0.03% chance: Getting coronavirus after being vaccinated incredibly rare in L.A. County I know there’s a lot of hand wringing about the vaccinated going maskless outdoors, but numbers like this are incredibly encouraging.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:That particular iconography is super popular on anti-vax social media and people bring it to lockdown protests a whole lot So... should we gas them? Let's gas them.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1396015144233222144 For months they’ve been saying that it didn’t look like it was particularly resistant to the immune response from the vaccine but having hard numbers on it is fantastic. I wouldn’t be incredibly shocked if it wasn’t really particularly deadlier, either, given that India is basically perfectly set up for secondary infections to be doing most of the killing.
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India check in: conditions are still incredibly loving bad and massively underrported https://twitter.com/DilliDurAst/status/1395046689514266625 https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1395586943266680833
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Purgatory Glory posted:So... should we gas them? Let's gas them.  with vaccines?Snowglobe of Doom posted:India check in: conditions are still incredibly loving bad and massively underrported India's reporting is absolutely terrifying because nobody seems to know what the gently caress is going on. It doesn't seem like a cover up. It just seems scattered. And that usually means some break down somewhere within the info line. I really, really hope poo poo gets better for them over there.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:India's reporting is absolutely terrifying because nobody seems to know what the gently caress is going on. It doesn't seem like a cover up. It just seems scattered. And that usually means some break down somewhere within the info line. I really, really hope poo poo gets better for them over there. It's absolutely a cover up, the Modi administration is making Twitter take down journalists' tweets about stuff like the oxygen shortages in hospitals https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/04/28/coronavirus-india-modi-twitter-ayyub-intv-keilar-newday-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn
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Yeah, I'm sure some countries don't have the resources and are missing deaths because they just can't cope. Hell some countries can't even report their deaths properly under normal circumstances. India might have some of that going on, but they are almost certainly covering it up too since their government had basically declared the pandemic over BEFORE all this started and actively wants to pretend they were right or at least less wrong than they really are.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:India check in: conditions are still incredibly loving bad and massively underrported In 2023 we're gonna get a koyaanisqatsi style documentary about this kinda poo poo aren't we?
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Blitter posted:From the article, yes that was fully vaccinated for 0.03%. This includes the effect of any NPI used during the study duration too of course. I'm reading this as J&J and AZ vaccinated people won't get infected, but if they do they can still pass it pretty well. Won't that cause selective pressure for the vaccine to mutate? Also Moderna and Pfizer numbers might be inflated due to lack of blinding and randomization.
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i'm officially fully vaccinated today. it might be cool to see how effective this vaccine is, compared to others like tdap, mmr, etc. might help to be able to really visualize how effective the covid vaccine is. would that work? idk i'd be lying if i said i wasn't still a little bit worried about breakthrough cases, being the unlucky bastard i am, but i guess covid is just one of those things we'll be dealing with until we're dead
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compshateme85 posted:Also Moderna and Pfizer numbers might be inflated due to lack of blinding and randomization. For what it's worth, the lack of blinding and randomization could also be deflating their numbers. It just hurts their accuracy overall.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:That particular iconography is super popular on anti-vax social media and people bring it to lockdown protests a whole lot Yet if I break that guy's nose I'm the bad guy...
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that vaccine nazi poo poo is loving awful. jfc nothing is worse than entitled white peoplepro starcraft loser posted:Yet if I break that guy's nose I'm the bad guy... here's hoping someone else will do it so we don't have to
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nishi koichi posted:that vaccine nazi poo poo is loving awful. jfc nothing is worse than entitled white people I've had to explain to a number of people how, 'Yes, I'd be extremely upset if the US Federal or State government prevented these or other people from practicing free speech.....but I will still laugh when they get absolutely hosed up by non-crazies'
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Just got my pfizer, smooth experience. Sudden urge to purchase winrar though.
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Purgatory Glory posted:purchase winrar WTF!? Mods????
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:These are incredibly good numbers, but I wonder how much lower it would have been if people were worried about community transmission instead of... I dunno, it's kind of "gently caress you I got my vaccine" out there right now. So it's the best possible loving news but you're wondering about I don't know negative numbers .000000000000001??? Maybe that
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I'll take my probe I don't give a gently caress I am so tired of the negative spin on the rare best possible loving news that we get
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Spinz posted:So it's the best possible loving news but you're wondering about I don't know negative numbers They're doing the thing where they set the whole vaccinated population in relation to the break out cases. It's misleading or ineptly reported, which I think is a poor approach to public health messaging. I linked recent graphs of infectivity and infection risk upthread. If the reported number of 0.03% breakthrough was a valid assessment the vaccines would be likely regarded as sterilizing, which they are not. I don't mean to be a downer and the numbers are good, but with the way they're portrayed it is easy to worry that people will underestimate the collective risk. Blitter fucked around with this message at 18:53 on May 22, 2021 |
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We had half a million at the very minimum die India is on fire Being anything but extremely grateful for safety of those who are vaccinated in the US is heinous. Hand wringing over a tiny bit of breakthrough cases just feels wrong to me. It's sad on an individual level but the focus should be on trying to get the ignorant vaccinated and now saving millions if not billions in the rest of the world.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Here's a lockdown protester in Australia throwin the ol' Roman salute in front of our War Memorial truely the chiseled figure of an ubermensch
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Vorik posted:81% efficiency against a variant, with just the base vaccine alone no booster shots, is great news. Not really sure how you can read that and immediately start hunching about the worst hypothetical outcome. Eh I don't see what I wrote that you could interpret as "immediately start hunching about the worst hypothetical outcome". I wrote that I didn't see any cause for alarm about the Indian variant in particular, because there is not any real reason to believe it should defeat vaccines. Those who have baselessly speculating that it would be vaccine resistant are the ones who have been "hunching", if you ask me. "The worst possible outcome" might indeed be a resistant strain of the virus, but we're not seeing that happen yet, is my point. And if it does, it will come from a partially-vaccinated nation. Maybe the worst possible outcome woul be a spiralling-out-of-control outbreak in South Asia where millions of people die, setting a developing nation back decades economically and socially? Maybe it's something else? We'll see.
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Spinz posted:I'll take my probe I don't give a gently caress I think you misunderstood what I posted. What I said was: I wonder how much lower it would be if people would stop this bullshit entitlement complex everybody suddenly seems to have. I am glad the numbers are great. I even said that. I'm so happy about that. But I hate the hosed up entitlement of "I'm vaccinated so gently caress everyone around me" that seems to be suddenly so prevalent. My whole point is that it isn't the best possible news because people are too worried about "getting back to normal!" instead of smashing this poo poo as hard as we can. We have the upper edge, finally, with the vaccine backing us. And it feels like we're squandering it. That and the CDC not tracking at-home infections of the vaccinated is lovely. Just because you don't end up hospitalized or dead doesn't mean you shouldn't count. That data is important and they are absolutely ignoring it. Don't be upset because I want the numbers that are good to be better, because you yourself have said you want the same thing. We agree on this poo poo. Snowglobe of Doom posted:It's absolutely a cover up, the Modi administration is making Twitter take down journalists' tweets about stuff like the oxygen shortages in hospitals well, gently caress. This kind of poo poo doesn't help, either. I don't get why the entire world wouldn't be going poo poo wild trying to destroy this thing instead of going "NO REALLY THERE WERE ONLY 75 BODIES" as a whole drat semi pulls past full of corpses, or whatever (for those about to yell at me, this isn't exact data I'm just making generalisms, I don't even know if India has semi trucks like we do in the US, okay?).
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Happy the vaccine effectiveness looking good. And we will always need worry-warts, they'll be the first to keep things in check and find alternatives. Its the misinformers we gotta fight against.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:I am glad the numbers are great. I even said that. I'm so happy about that. But I hate the hosed up entitlement of "I'm vaccinated so gently caress everyone around me" that seems to be suddenly so prevalent.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:
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Mush Mushi posted:Honest question, why does this data matter? I couldn’t care less if someone is vaccinated and catches an asymptomatic or mild case. I’ve only seen this type of reporting used to confuse people about how well the vaccines work. Asymptomatic infections have caused long-term problems (cardio, blood clots, etc) in covid patients and though that percentage is small, it's still there. Same goes for vaccinated people who just end up sick for a little bit or are asymptomatic; or that was what was assumed, anyhow. Obviously we're too early on into this (we haven't even been vaccinating for a year yet) and covid is too new to know for sure, but it makes logical sense and there was some coverage about it until "we're open now!" happened recently. Plus, it falsely deflates the number of breakthrough cases making the vaccines look better than they are. They are absolutely amazing, but if there's 0.7% hospitalization breakthrough and, I don't know, one of the variants manages to start a 3-4% breakthrough that doesn't include hospitalization, we should be aware of that. It could impact populations very quickly, much like the original version here did. And we're ignoring it. I'm not saying that will happen, but I am saying that not monitoring all breakthrough cases seems incredibly irresponsible in these very early days. They make up a very small percentage and that is wonderful. Excluding any of them is a bad idea. E: I don't even necessarily care if the numbers are public but they aren't tracking non-hospitalized breakthroughs at all, according to the CDC. That just seems like a super bad idea. Scarodactyl posted:This attitude is really not a problem in comparison to the actual issue of "I'm unvaccinated and gently caress everyone around me." Well, it is. But I will absolutely agree the second one is a much greater concern. Fluffy Bunnies fucked around with this message at 21:18 on May 22, 2021 |
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