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theres also a ton of people with pro BLM and LGTBQ in their profiles that defend the actions of the IDF, and dont consider palestinians as people, so it really isnt a good indicator of being "good" imo
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yeah but Israel has been trying to smear Waters as an anti Semite for like 15 years now so he's just good across the board
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Agrajag posted:theres also a ton of people with pro BLM and LGTBQ in their profiles that defend the actions of the IDF, and dont consider palestinians as people, so it really isnt a good indicator of being "good" imo most people who flaunt that identity (I love BLM and LGTBQ!) tend to be be your rich liberal types.
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etalian posted:most people who flaunt that identity (I love BLM and LGTBQ!) tend to be be your rich liberal types. 
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Agrajag posted:i always find it weird that the media, in the west at least, always frames the people fighting against occupation forces and brutal oppression as terrorists and cowards We spend billions of dollars every year to have state of the art militaries, so you're a "coward" if you don't line up in a field to get obliterated fair & square. What we really resent is that resistance and liberation movements won't make it easy for imperialists. Colonizers ultimately respect the rebellions where their leaders were foolish enough to do conventional instead of asymmetric warfare, like when the Mahdi in Sudan got tens of thousands of his followers mowed down by British repeating rifles & machineguns at Omdurman. One of the Mahadists was even wearing chain mail. How precious.
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oxsnard posted:"is this the life we really want?" is a loving incredible album btw, you should listen thanks I'm gonna check it out
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fun little paragraph from a recent article about the latest attacksquote:Ramzy Salah, a little further afield in the same area, has also had his house, which he shared with five brothers and their families, destroyed by an Israeli attack. idf out here doing roof knocking with nerf missiles
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https://twitter.com/ShehabAgency/status/1396123299315322883?s=20quote:#شاهد The occupation forces allow settlers to enter the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood, while preventing Jerusalemites from reaching the neighborhood and imposing a siege on it
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Grimson posted:fun little paragraph from a recent article about the latest attacks just doing normal war crimes stuff so what - IDF
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:We spend billions of dollars every year to have state of the art militaries, so you're a "coward" if you don't line up in a field to get obliterated fair & square. What we really resent is that resistance and liberation movements won't make it easy for imperialists. Colonizers ultimately respect the rebellions where their leaders were foolish enough to do conventional instead of asymmetric warfare, like when the Mahdi in Sudan got tens of thousands of his followers mowed down by British repeating rifles & machineguns at Omdurman. One of the Mahadists was even wearing chain mail. How precious. British soldiers laughing at the idiot adversaries who are charging fixed machine gun fire, 20 years later wondering why all their friends and relatives aren't sending letters from the front anymore
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How credible is the theory that people in North America sympathize with Israeli settlers because they ultimately believe their own settler history is positive?
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American Zionists just pretend the settlements aren't happening.
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There is an element of it, but it's pretty small. People have such a crappy understanding of American settlement they're incapable of drawing any parallels and most people don't even think of that as having been a thing that occurred usually.
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ToxicAcne posted:How credible is the theory that people in North America sympathize with Israeli settlers because they ultimately believe their own settler history is positive? Honestly pretty credible. if you accept Israel is doing evil, then the US did evil and they have to accept that; it's far easier to make excuses than to examine your own culpability.
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American Israel supporters are either evangelic psychos, or war of civilization dead enders. If you even tried explaining the concept of a settler state to them, their eyes would glaze over.
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Interesting, and how do people here feel about there being a statute of limitations on settlers? I often find that Canadian leftists say some performative bullshit like "If indigenous people wanted me to to leave, I'd pack my poo poo back to Europe", which isn't what Indigenous activists mean by decolonization. In the same way, Israelis within the 48 borders have the right to stay, no? Edit: I hope this isn't construed as a defense of the IDF and Israeli settlements which are far right affronts to humanity.
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Good rear end statement, gently caress the AP.
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ToxicAcne posted:Interesting, and how do people here feel about there being a statute of limitations on settlers? I often find that Canadian leftists say some performative bullshit like "If indigenous people wanted me to to leave, I'd pack my poo poo back to Europe", which isn't what Indigenous activists mean by decolonization. In the same way, Israelis within the 48 borders have the right to stay, no? I hear people in the West Bank even today say they'd be fine with Jewish immigrants, but the issue with settlers is that they steal land and houses. Obviously they don't speak for some united Palestinian voice, but that sentiment is there. I don't know any group in Palestine that explicitly calls for the expulsion of Jewish Israelis. There is the implication that a lot of the most extreme settlers and Zionists would probably rather move to the US or die than accept one person, one vote in Palestine.
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Yeah, that's my sentiment too. My point was that well meaning but idiotic blowhards say dumb poo poo about deporting settlers in Israel as well as Canada, the US, Australia etc.
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spacemang_spliff posted:again just poppin in to say "gently caress Israel"
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ToxicAcne posted:Interesting, and how do people here feel about there being a statute of limitations on settlers? I often find that Canadian leftists say some performative bullshit like "If indigenous people wanted me to to leave, I'd pack my poo poo back to Europe", which isn't what Indigenous activists mean by decolonization. In the same way, Israelis within the 48 borders have the right to stay, no? people who bought their land legally can stay. settlers who got free land from the Nakba can get hosed
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ToxicAcne posted:Interesting, and how do people here feel about there being a statute of limitations on settlers? I often find that Canadian leftists say some performative bullshit like "If indigenous people wanted me to to leave, I'd pack my poo poo back to Europe", which isn't what Indigenous activists mean by decolonization. In the same way, Israelis within the 48 borders have the right to stay, no? Rutibex posted:people who bought their land legally can stay. settlers who got free land from the Nakba can get hosed the brooklyn fat gently caress and others like him should get hosed and go back to brooklyn hope that clears things up for ya
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Part of what got me on the right side of this was seeing reactionaries call Corrie "Saint Pancake" like it was a hilarious joke. I knew Israel defenders were demons then. https://twitter.com/theomaramo/status/1396095869544452099?s=20
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Agrajag posted:the brooklyn fat gently caress and others like him should get hosed and go back to brooklyn We don't want him, send him to the Hague
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Good rear end, gently caress the AP. The IDF has entered the thread.
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some 15% of all settlers are brooklyn fat fucks
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The concept of Zionism is also hilariously ironic when you do a deep dive into the core values and thinking. For the strategy we decided that the best ideal situation is creating a religiously and ethnically homogenous state after doing a land grab invasion! The above also matches the glorious history of Israelite nation which was all above invading a promised land and purging people which didn't make the ethnic/religious standards.. I what other historically failed regimes had similar ideas to create a "utopian" state with religious and ethnically "Pure" homogeneity as the ideals?
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https://twitter.com/JulianCastro/status/1396163108637380613?s=20 https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1396161765755564036?s=20 https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/1396158563270135810?s=20 When your defense of Israel's reputation gets these wet wipes to call you out
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To be honest, the Exodus narrative is probably fictional. The Hebrews were probably one of the many Canaanite groups in the area who gradually became monotheistic. Curre evidence even suggests that the United Kingdom of Israel never existed. Edit: gently caress yeah! That firing was one of the most cowardly reactions by a press outlet I've ever seen.
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Yeah Exodus is a myth. Probably posted already but I can't stop laughing over Israel's failson not understanding inflation. https://twitter.com/YairNetanyahu/status/1395786326302150659?s=20
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:American Zionists just pretend the settlements aren't happening. they imagine themselves one day in a brand new home, standing on the stoop, yelling racial epithets at the Palestinian couple they evicted to move into their home sweet home,
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ToxicAcne posted:To be honest, the Exodus narrative is probably fictional. The Hebrews were probably one of the many Canaanite groups in the area who gradually became monotheistic. Curre evidence even suggests that the United Kingdom of Israel never existed. Well I imagine Israel did exist it just didn't match the glorious "superpower" historical spin since archaeologists have dug things like a list of all the super powers they were having to pay off (Egypt / Assyrians)
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Nah I meant that it was probably two or more kingdoms
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ToxicAcne posted:Nah I many that it was probably two or more kingdoms but the anime wall scrolls say otherwise!
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Groovelord Neato posted:Yeah Exodus is a myth. the coward turned off his replies (and gently caress twitter for making that possible)
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