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Well, that's one big republic. Hey, One Big Republic, now there's an idea...
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We need to worry about the March of the Eagles port first
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May 22, 2021 11:59
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We're not QUITE at the end point as is, if V3 Is more of a concrete thing when we run out of EU, then decisions could be made at that point
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May 22, 2021 16:28
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V2 imo
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VOTE: 1756 - PART IFrançois Furet, Interpreting the French Revolution posted:For the same reason that the Ancien Régime is thought to have an end but no beginning, the Revolution has a birth but no end. Qiu Jin, as translated by Stephen Owen posted:I pledge the spilled blood from a hundred thousand skulls / The celestial empress is dead. The empire must fall. The state of the Republic is not good. Before there is any discussion of constitutions and equality before the law, the republic must survive, else these grand ideas and hopes for the future fade out. Inside the old seat of imperial power, the royals are gone. If you keep quiet and keep your ears to the door to the empty map room, we can listen now to a conversation that most people in the government are not supposed to hear.  The provisional head of the republic, Takdra Purgyal, looks like he has not slept for three days.  He is hunched over a huge map of the old empire that shows its size but not its weaknesses.  To his left, a young officer, Dolma Yudron Palsang, recites a summary of reports she has received.  "We've heard nothing from any of the old garrisons east of the Arakan mountains. Everything between Sagaing and Yangon is in open rebellion against us." "What do they want?" "They're feudal - aristocrats. They have to be. Why else would they rebel? Anyway we can estimate that the number of troops there is over 120,000."  "In China, around the Gan river valley here and in these mountains here, there are at least 150,000 troops in rebellion against us. Some under the command of local gentry, some feudal lords who wish to establish their own state, and some who wish to join the Wu republic and not our own. "So how do we fix it?" he interrupts.  "Between those two, we have at least twice as many troops in arms against us than for us. There are more rebellions all the time. We will have to pull back and cede the territo-" The Purgyal says, a bit too loudly, "Go to hell." The second officer shushes him. "Cede the territory and focus on keeping what we have." "We just give up?" "We make a tactical retreat so we don't lose everything." "The people here have defeated armies in Sichuan, in Lhasa, and we have overturned an empire that existed for over a thousand years." "This is a republic. We do not have to claim all the old empire, and we will not become-"  The second officer interrupts again. This is Karma Zindé, who defected from the empire. She is almost 50 and about double the average age of other senior members of the new republic's government.  "It is a matter of funds. There is nothing in the treasury. The republic can support an army for about half a year before we must take even more loans - and creditors will take more from us in interest because they don't know if we can survive the next year.  "As for troops, we can raise maybe 20,000 more easily. Not to mention all the desertions and absentees because of the bad harvests these last years.  "We will lose everything if a single pitched battle goes wrong. We have not won the campaign yet." "Please don't, by the sacred treasures-" "Keep your voices down. Stop. Stop it. There are newspaper writers outside and if they hear us it will be in all the broadsheets in Lhasa tomorrow." The Purgyal crosses his arms and looks down at the map, his face caught in the evening light. "How do we fix this? I have to tell the provisional council something. If I lie to them they will tear me apart. And I'd deserve it." Choose one of the following:  A) We will not contest everything outside of the Tibetan plateau and the Tarim and Sichuan basin. This will result in a massive loss of populated territory but the surviving republic will be more secure.  B) We cede much of eastern China and the Irrawaddy plain, but will attempt to retain parts of the Yellow River basin and the lower Ganges. We retain most of the populated regions of the empire. C) Or we attempt to contest everything. If we pull this off, we have the best chance of retaining nearly all of the old empire, but also has the greatest risk of losing the army and the potential collapse of the republic. The vote concludes in two days time, on May 24, at 9 PM EST.
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May 23, 2021 02:13
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C. All or nothing.
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May 23, 2021 02:22
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C The revolution isn't over until that looming Revolution disaster fires
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May 23, 2021 02:38
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b Didn't want that empire anyways. Nbd.
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May 23, 2021 03:06
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The guiding hand of the revolution cannot be allowed to recede- we cannot abandon so many to depredations of feudal warlords! C
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May 23, 2021 03:08
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C. Go big or go home. Edit: decided maybe we can go medium after all, switched my vote to B. NewMars fucked around with this message at 10:05 on May 23, 2021 |
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May 23, 2021 03:13
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Crazycryodude posted:The revolution isn't over until that looming Revolution disaster fires What is this about, anyway? I don't know the game well enough to understand it, aren't we already having a revolution currently?
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May 23, 2021 03:18
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B. Ports are important. We can always recover the rest.
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May 23, 2021 03:23
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B. We need to know our limits
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May 23, 2021 03:55
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B with a priority towards the Yellow River
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May 23, 2021 04:27
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SirPhoebos posted:B. Ports are important. We can always recover the rest. Exactly this. Pull back, but not so far we lose the seas.
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May 23, 2021 04:33
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B repeated collapses and hilariously arrogant bumbling are fun and all but I'd really rather not read that story again.
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May 23, 2021 04:34
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B We need those ports.
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May 23, 2021 04:43
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B
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May 23, 2021 04:48
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B We must preserve our long time southern provinces. I've seen it myself, the people clamoring for freedom! Freedom! Surely from the aristrocrats. I'd also support letting the eastern rebels, who wish it, join our sister Republic of Wu as a token of friendship and appreaciation between revolutionaries
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May 23, 2021 05:03
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C ride or die
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May 23, 2021 05:05
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C Didn't come this far to cede territory to the forces of reaction 
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May 23, 2021 05:08
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Pacho posted:B We must preserve our long time southern provinces. I've seen it myself, the people clamoring for freedom! Freedom! Surely from the aristrocrats. I'd also support letting the eastern rebels, who wish it, join our sister Republic of Wu as a token of friendship and appreaciation between revolutionaries I'm also down with this.
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May 23, 2021 05:16
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B. We must thread the knife edge's course of the republic surviving, and the republic having the strength it needs for the future. We can reclaim much of the ceded territory later.
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May 23, 2021 05:35
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Bah, C! Let Heaven determine the nature of its reflection here on earth! Shoild the Republic fail, it clearly never should have been to begin with!
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May 23, 2021 06:39
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B C would be funny but probably impossible, and I got all the "burning down the house while still inside it" I'll ever need from Al-Andalus tbh. As said, we can always take poo poo back latter, if we can stabilize B we'll still basically be the supreme power on Earth.
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May 23, 2021 06:57
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C
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May 23, 2021 08:06
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C
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May 23, 2021 08:41
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C We're in it to win it.
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May 23, 2021 08:45
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B
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May 23, 2021 09:08
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B. We must preserve access to the sea at all costs, even if that requires sacrificing the East to whatever Warlords will follow in our wake.
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May 23, 2021 10:45
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B
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May 23, 2021 11:18
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B
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May 23, 2021 11:59
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B China is Empire. One cannot claim the Mandate of Heaven without also claiming its throne. We do not need Heaven, and we do not need China.
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May 23, 2021 13:13
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A Death to all empires. Even our own.
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May 23, 2021 13:25
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C
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May 23, 2021 14:34
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C - we need no mandate of Heaven, we make our own destiny. I'd also have been fine with setting up revolutionary republic client states in the places with the most rebels, but sadly the aristos are too powerful there.
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May 23, 2021 14:52
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B Gotta keep our access to the sea. Republics are nothing without trade.
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May 23, 2021 17:05
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B
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May 23, 2021 18:16
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GunnerJ posted:What is this about, anyway? I don't know the game well enough to understand it, aren't we already having a revolution currently? There are multiple disasters which were introduced after the 1.9 patch. Tibet has already gone through the 'Aspiration for Liberty' disaster, which happened from having a high 'absolutism' stat, but it has not yet gone through the 'Revolution' disaster. Additionally, I'd fired off a custom event which switched us to a new 'Tibetan Republic' tag.
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May 23, 2021 18:26
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C The revolution will not cede ground to the reaction without a fight!
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