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Maybe by non-historical it just takes place in modern times. America Universalist bay bee
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Acute Grill posted:Maybe by non-historical it just takes place in modern times. America Universalist bay bee Pax Americana
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karmicknight posted:Please don't increase the odds of me actually ending up To be fair, Games Workshop seems quite happy to throw the Warhammer (particularly 40k) license around to anyone willing to make a game, whether that game is actually good or not being completely irrelevant.
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May 23, 2021 16:27
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GW probably doesn't want to compete with themselves though. Vermintide probably isn't taking potential sales away from Total War, but Crusader Counts might.
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May 23, 2021 17:05
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ilitarist posted:Furries. They already did that in CK2 DLC. DrSunshine posted:Imagine a game where you play as not a ruler, or a state, but as a population. I can't imagine that because pretty much any game setup will put you in a dictatorial position over your people, one way or another. Although I think the closest thing to a game playing as a group of nomads is Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey where you play as a hunter/gather tribe of pre-human hominids 10 million years ago.
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May 23, 2021 17:50
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Most strategy and management games already have you playing as some sort of vague omniscient force rather than an actual person. Stuff like Tropico and Crusader Kings are made much more interesting to me by having an actual character who needs to maintain their hold on power. The idea of playing as a nomadic people is however pretty interesting.
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May 23, 2021 18:41
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Did they ever make Tropico harder? It was fun enough playing four, but even on hard it was sort of a cakewalk
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May 23, 2021 18:43
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Not really. You can make the game harder for yourself with self-imposed challenges or going full Cartoonish Evil Dictator, but the city-building genre has never really been known for its difficulty. Actually going Evil Dictator might be good late-game for 6 after your low-education pops get automated out of a job they can join the rebels or the army and stay busy.
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Gaius Marius posted:Did they ever make Tropico harder? It was fun enough playing four, but even on hard it was sort of a cakewalk They added multiplayer, competitive too. I don't think the single-player is any more challenging since 3, as far as I know anyway.
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May 23, 2021 18:53
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Weird to say fantasy can't work for GSGs when Anbennar is probably the most popular EU4 mod at the moment.
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zhuge liang posted:Weird to say fantasy can't work for GSGs when Anbennar is probably the most popular EU4 mod at the moment. You shouldn’t look at mods because mods are just the base game with a coat of paint.
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I don't think anyone would describe something like Fall from Heaven as a "coat of paint"
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May 23, 2021 19:53
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If it relies on the base game, it’s a coat of paint. Doesn’t make it bad, but not great to compare to a game built specifically for it
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May 23, 2021 20:08
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OMG VIKKY 3 IS HERE I CAN'T BELIEVE IT IT ONLY TOOK A PANDEMIC TO MAKE IT HAPPEN I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR YEARS IN THIS loving TOPIC
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May 23, 2021 20:22
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I would be interested in a near future GSG themed around resource limitations, population aging, and climate crisis. Maybe have it cover 2025-2100.
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May 23, 2021 20:26
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Yeah a paradox fantasy GSG would own bones, plenty of room to get creative and weird, or to just do something more traditional map-painting with fantasy flavor. I'll have to give Anbennar a try if they ever un-gently caress EU4 and I figure out what DLC I needKOGAHAZAN!! posted:Obviously a fantasy GSG should be built on That Which Sleeps' model. Yeah there's a ton of potential there (I can't believe the wiki is still up haha), slowly building up power and influence through agents and keeping a low profile while the existing nations and heroes do their thing, setting up for an apocalyptic endgame
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Noir89 posted:Art, setting and feel matters a lot to people., if I could play Imperator but with tusks and pointy ears then it would be a ton more fun for me with just that. And yes, not being limited to trying to follow historical borders and geography does allow the developers to setup weird scenarios and challenges that might not be possible in a historical game. The Pony mod for HoI4 was already mentioned, but I tried it out for a laugh, and it made the game a lot easier to understand and learn. If I play vanilla, I always feel a bit overwhelmed by my ignorance of the historical events happening. I also have expectations of how things are supposed to happen. But in a mod like this, it's all bullshit fake pony lore, so who gives a drat? There's no canonical path, so everything that happens is exactly how it's supposed to go. I'm not specifically recommending that mod, the Fallout one probably does the same thing. But it's really worth trying a total conversion mod, especially for players that couldn't get it to click in vanilla.
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The Fallout one is actually really nice in that regard because there's of obscure lore references for the people who know it and also a ton of original writing for you to go hog wild. Though it's arguably not that good for learning vanilla because of the low manpower pools and focus around choke points.
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May 23, 2021 22:09
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Elder kings is a good mod for ck2. I could see a full fledged elder scrolls GSG being fun.
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Oh I love Imperator Rome as is, I was just using as an example for how I would love it even more if it was a fantasy based game and how a setting matching your preferences does matter for enjoyment  Obviously what I would want Paradox to release is a fantasy GSG where they can play around with poo poo that they can't do in a historical game, not just slapp a new coat of paint on x game and call it a day.
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CharlestheHammer posted:If it relies on the base game, it’s a coat of paint. That's really just straight up not true. Paradox modding doesn't have many examples of it because there's not much in the way of adding new functionality but there are absolutely games that have mods that have new functionality and are 100% not a coat of paint, and still rely on the base game because they're mods.
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Noir89 posted:Oh I love Imperator Rome ...how?
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a mural is just a coat of paint if u think abt it
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I mean that’s what mods objectively are. Doesn’t speak to the quality of the mod or that it wasn’t hard work. Like Europa Barbarum for Total war is a great mod, but it’s still just a mod
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:a mural is just a coat of paint if u think abt it
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Look, Dota is just a coat of paint on Warcraft 3 and no amount of million dollar tournaments will change my mind
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Regardless of the amount of craft that goes into a mod, we definitely shouldn't conaider that something made and distributed for free and then widely played as something the fans are interested in.
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Acute Grill posted:...how? Because it's good, hth
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trapped mouse posted:Because it's good, hth ...how?
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Acute Grill posted:...how? de gustibus non disputandum est
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Instead of a fantasy game paradox should make the modern game from the CSPAM thread.
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May 24, 2021 00:40
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Resurrect East vs West but with more straits.
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Geopolitical Simulator but good
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean that’s what mods objectively are. Doesn’t speak to the quality of the mod or that it wasn’t hard work. Divide et Impera for Rome 2, Star Trek New Horizons for Stellaris or MEIOU and Taxes for EU4 absolutely are far more than coats of paint. They’re wholly transformative experiences.
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Balance of Power, with pops.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Divide et Impera for Rome 2 You know what, I'm going to download Rome 2 right now and Divide et Impera mod. Then I'll start the game as Armenia and screenshot the tooltip for some basic building that gives you a whole screen of bonuses to various Armenian words, none of them explained. I'll post this screenshot every time I see anyone talking about how mods can actually be good and impressive, just look at Divide et Impera.
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ilitarist posted:You know what, I'm going to download Rome 2 right now and Divide et Impera mod. Then I'll start the game as Armenia and screenshot the tooltip for some basic building that gives you a whole screen of bonuses to various Armenian words, none of them explained. I'll post this screenshot every time I see anyone talking about how mods can actually be good and impressive, just look at Divide et Impera. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5SMrxn0rc0
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Acute Grill posted:...how? All this "tending your garden" stuff about Victoria 3 is exactly why I enjoy Imperator too. It's just very satisfying to influence various factors and then watch your pops slowly convert/assimilate/promote/migrate etc. Slowly turning a province from a settlement full of foreign tribesmen to a city full of happy citizens is really cool. It's the dream of getting more powerful in a way that isn't just making your borders bigger, and so having something meaningful to do that isn't just making your borders bigger... I also like how many mechanics play off each other: loyalty/competence, research ratio/population size, levy size/culture happiness etc. I feel like I'm doing a lot more balancing and trade-offs than in the other games. I also like how the character system makes diplomacy a lot more interesting. If your enemy has hired powerful mercenaries then you can try to bribe their leader; if barbarians are invading you can pay them off or offer them land to settle; if your neighbour is too strong you can try to sway their generals and governors over to your side (and they'll bring their army or province with them); if a foreign nation has powerful pretenders you can convince them to start civil wars etc. etc. Some of it might just be the novelty because I've played it a lot less than the other games, but I really do think it's a pretty good game. e: The only real complaints I have are like "tribal nations are boring" (although turning from a tribal nation into a monarchy or republic is a fun series of challenges) and "the events are repetitive", all of which are things which would have been fixed by DLC (and might get fixed by mods?). e2: actually I guess I do have some pretty major complaints about how fiddly it is to move pops manually for colonisation and optimisation. fuf fucked around with this message at 10:01 on May 24, 2021 |
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I want a Paradox cold war game. Am I remembering correctly some crazy rear end modder starting a dev studio and working on something like that before PDX pulled the plug?
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Mokotow posted:I want a Paradox cold war game. Am I remembering correctly some crazy rear end modder starting a dev studio and working on something like that before PDX pulled the plug? Think it was called East vs West or something but I don't remember why they cancelled it in the end.
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