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Only Eraserhead is cool, according to the main character Tomura Shigaraki.
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Fa Jin is just the Chinese term for explosive power and it's also applied in Boxing and Muay Thai (without the mysticism). Essentially it's coordinating the transfer of energy through your muscles to maximize power and minimize wasteful movement. The one inch punch is an example of hard of this but you still get more power from moving your body for momentum ala boxing. OfA already has insurmountable striking power so a Fa Jin quirk would probably be a soft Fa Jin ability which is more or less a delayed explosion of strength. Think the difference between punching someone and shoving someone with the same strength. Pushing himself off the ground without destroying it, causing a wall to shatter without making it blow debris everywhere, deflect physical attacks with ease etc.
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May 23, 2021 19:53
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Eej posted:Fa Jin is just the Chinese term for explosive power and it's also applied in Boxing and Muay Thai (without the mysticism). Essentially it's coordinating the transfer of energy through your muscles to maximize power and minimize wasteful movement. The one inch punch is an example of hard of this but you still get more power from moving your body for momentum ala boxing. I don't understand why explosive power would mean less damage to the environment. My vague pop culture understanding of Fa Jin means that a one inch punch can shatter your bones and liquify your organs. I feel like that would translate to deep gouges in walls, instead of mild scuff marks like when he played Gran Torino against Nighteye.
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May 23, 2021 19:59
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it's about control of your power
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May 23, 2021 20:10
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Sounds like a really boring power, before that predecessor got super strength.
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oh jay posted:I don't understand why explosive power would mean less damage to the environment. My vague pop culture understanding of Fa Jin means that a one inch punch can shatter your bones and liquify your organs. I feel like that would translate to deep gouges in walls, instead of mild scuff marks like when he played Gran Torino against Nighteye. If you maximize your impact then you get a strike (ie you palm strike a wall so hard it shatters) and your explosive power peaks right on contact. If you maximize your impulse then you get a push (ie you put your palm on a wall and then push so hard it falls apart) and your explosive power peaks after contact. Throwing it into a shounen manga you have the difference between smashing buildings sending debris flying everywhere and hitting buildings and they collapse on themselves because they can't withstand the energy you imparted into the structure. Bringing it back to boxing, it's the difference between snapping a jab to the face and following through body shots even though the real life application of this means you're not exactly pushing people in the gut.
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May 23, 2021 20:26
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Yeah its a real thing with martial arts, just not so cinematic The "Fa Jin" in this case was punching through an entire office building, in a single explosive burst so it was a penetrating movement rather than an impulse. Like knifeblade vs palmslam.
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May 23, 2021 21:12
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I wonder if Fa Jin IS the super strength component of OFA? Like if most of All Mights strength is just him using that quirk
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May 23, 2021 22:57
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Dog Kisser posted:I wonder if Fa Jin IS the super strength component of OFA? Like if most of All Mights strength is just him using that quirk All Might had no clue how to access any of them so it seems unlikely.
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May 23, 2021 23:10
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TheKingofSprings posted:All Might had no clue how to access any of them so it seems unlikely. On purpose sure, but maybe that's just the one he honed in on subconsciously?
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May 23, 2021 23:18
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This would require multiple people, over multiple generations to lie/be wrong. Naw, pass.
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May 23, 2021 23:37
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Please forgive All Might. Nana trained him wrong, as a joke.
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May 24, 2021 01:07
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its weird to have 2 super strength quirks
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May 24, 2021 01:18
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There must be more to it than just "super strength, but even moreso", right?
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May 24, 2021 01:28
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It seems to be less super strength and more ability to apply strength without movement. My guess is a regular guy could essentially tap something but have the full force of their punch behind it. You could do a dozen full "punches" in a second just by twiddling your fingers on something. When you have super strength you can essentially multiply your super strength by just having simultaneous output. This quirk doesn't increase your strength, it massively ups your efficiency and speed of applying whatever strength you have.
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May 24, 2021 01:34
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I'm sure that exactly what he just did will be explained in detail next chapter, but at first glance if the quirk is actually "control strength real good" it just kind undercuts Deku's entire arc of trying to learn to control his strength real good. And also raises the question of how a "control strength real good" quirk might be enhanced overtime from the stockpiling.
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May 24, 2021 01:36
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If Fa Jin does boil down to precise control of strength, that doesn't undercut Deku's growth at all? In order for that to be true, he'd have to be able to perfectly access two parts of OfA from day one without knowing one of them even existed.
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May 24, 2021 01:41
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Yeah, that's something that really feels more like it should be a Super Move, applying an actual real-world martial arts technique to the super-strength portion of One-for-All. Making it a whole quirk by itself seems a bit lackluster, even considering that the extra quirks aren't necessarily supposed to be that good on their own.
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May 24, 2021 01:43
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If Fa Jin is simply "very precise control over the degree of strength you use" then it seems more like Deku's been using Fa Jin all along. I mean, I'm not a particularly strong person but I don't know how I'd precisely calculate how to use even 50% of strength, much less 5% and then increasing it in degrees to 8% or 15% or something like that.
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May 24, 2021 02:04
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It’s more like a sudden and explosive amount of force, so maybe the quirk lets him charge up energy before he releases it?
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May 24, 2021 02:39
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CuwiKhons posted:If Fa Jin is simply "very precise control over the degree of strength you use" then it seems more like Deku's been using Fa Jin all along. I mean, I'm not a particularly strong person but I don't know how I'd precisely calculate how to use even 50% of strength, much less 5% and then increasing it in degrees to 8% or 15% or something like that. I don't think he's been using it all along, but I do think his own attempts to learn precise control are why he was able to use Fa Jin so well with his first attempt. To use TTRPG terminology, this is analogous to him getting magical equipment which maxes out an ability he already had skill points in. Given they've stated it's difficult to use multiple quirks simultaneously, Deku's own trained skill won't be for nothing - he'll still rely on that when he's already using multiple other quirks and doesn't have capacity to throw Fa Jin into the mix.
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May 24, 2021 02:49
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Fa Jin as a quirk doesn't really make that much sense unless it allows you to do some real wuxia poo poo with it in which case I would like to subscribe to this newsletter
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christmas boots posted:It’s more like a sudden and explosive amount of force, so maybe the quirk lets him charge up energy before he releases it? Someone earlier used the phrase "delayed explosion of strength" and I know it's not what they meant, but I briefly envisioned Deku being able to apply force to an object and then release it after a brief delay - not unlike how the stasis ability works in Zelda: Breath of the Wild.
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christmas boots posted:It’s more like a sudden and explosive amount of force, so maybe the quirk lets him charge up energy before he releases it? I think it's probably something like this. The way Deku does a couple of squats just before the vestige says "I know what you are thinking" makes me think it's some kind of ripper cyclotron type thing.
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jassa posted:Someone earlier used the phrase "delayed explosion of strength" and I know it's not what they meant, but I briefly envisioned Deku being able to apply force to an object and then release it after a brief delay - not unlike how the stasis ability works in Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Lol what if he could stagger the energy in his punches? Imagine getting tapped with what feels like a 5% hit and then like six seconds later the other 35% kicks in
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May 24, 2021 02:58
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jassa posted:Someone earlier used the phrase "delayed explosion of strength" and I know it's not what they meant, but I briefly envisioned Deku being able to apply force to an object and then release it after a brief delay - not unlike how the stasis ability works in Zelda: Breath of the Wild. I'm about 90% sure it has been portrayed like this fantastically multiple times
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christmas boots posted:Lol what if he could stagger the energy in his punches? Imagine getting tapped with what feels like a 5% hit and then like six seconds later the other 35% kicks in I’m imagining some Fist of the North Star type stuff here with all that delayed energy
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:has it ever been established how soga has access to a machine gun in golden age hero japan? I can only assume that as all might was coming onto the scene you still have a significant black market left over from the Before Times where hard weapons can be bought relatively easily. We kind of get a sense of this with The Underground Raid arc. Sure, we have these old yakuza gangs but they’ve been defanged, right? The implication, to me, was always that overhaul’s predecessor was young when poo poo was hot, but as the current hero society took form he prioritized the survival of the organization vs. prominence of the organization. So within that man’s life was the dark times, the golden age, the silver age, and current hero society. Which implies a lot closer of a timeline than I assumed between vigilantes and mainline MHA, now that I think about it. Definitely at most the 10 years that I’ve seen people bandy about (but been unsure of).
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Rohan Kishibe posted:I think it's probably something like this. The way Deku does a couple of squats just before the vestige says "I know what you are thinking" makes me think it's some kind of ripper cyclotron type thing. dont steal phinks nen ability
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May 24, 2021 04:17
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Carlosologist posted:I’m imagining some Fist of the North Star type stuff here with all that delayed energy It would be a bold direction to take the series but I'd be there for it.
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May 24, 2021 06:32
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I'm sure we'll get an explanation next week but I'm kinda reading it as OFA increases Deku's physical strength and Fa Jin increases his ability to use said strength. Its like a strength buff and a damage buff and they both stack with each other.
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May 24, 2021 07:54
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Deku will punch the moon.
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May 24, 2021 13:00
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serious gaylord posted:Deku will punch the moon. His rabbit costume is just a very long setup to a “rabbits pounding mochi on the moon” joke.
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May 24, 2021 16:02
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Hence Bakugo's desire to blow up the moon before Deku can punch the moon that shows up in Hori's doodles from time to time Yet another space race
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May 24, 2021 16:05
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I think it's kind of weird Caleb decided to translate Fa Jin as "Fa Jin", no other Quirk in the translation is named in a foreign language (even the quirks used by people outside Japan like the Chinese dragon scale guy or the American pony girl). Next week's chapter should explain more about that quirk, hopefully.
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May 24, 2021 16:48
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it's literally a named concept in martial arts. if someone had a quirk named bajiquan or taekwando would you request they translate it.
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May 24, 2021 17:11
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like imagine telling a guy to translate someone's 'aiki' quirk
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May 24, 2021 17:13
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Name: Light Yagami Hero Name: Kira Quirk: Keikaku!
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Heavenrend
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Aurora posted:Heavenrend I understand what you're referencing and I hate it.
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