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Lawdog69
Nov 2, 2010
I feel like the new stitches is a lot better, but he was in a pretty bad spot before. I think a lot of his power is still in hooks, so if you don’t hit those you’re going to struggle to be a good tank. Getting fishing hook for free at 13 feels really nice. If you happen to queue into a team of super mobile enemy heroes stitches is probably going to feel pretty bad no matter how you build him since a lot of your value is isolating folks and tracer or genji or whatever is just going to nope out even if you miraculously do hit them with your poo poo.

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ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I don't really understand why they made it "you get fishing hook for free at 13" instead of a baseline "land 20 hooks get 40% more range" quest or something

Pedestrian Xing
Jul 19, 2007

ninjewtsu posted:

I don't really understand why they made it "you get fishing hook for free at 13" instead of a baseline "land 20 hooks get 40% more range" quest or something

Would have been less confusing at least.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


I build Nu-Stitches like this:

1. Savor the Flavor - Because Health Regen
4. Tenderizer - Because Maximum Health Restoration. Also, that slow is really nice for free body-blocking.
7. Second Helping - Because Health Regen
10. Gorge - Just kidnap a motherfucker
13. Chop Chop - The 50% increased attack speed is for more Health Restoration from Tenderizer, not anything else. Meat Hook is also acceptable.
16. Digestive Juices - 50% Damage Reduction is still insanely powerful, especially when you can potentially do it twice in a row.
20. Gas Bag - Makes your Go Fast button also provide Unstoppable. Plus, the lower cooldown means you can get value out of Chop Chop more often.

Always Be Healing :btroll:

ninjewtsu posted:

I don't really understand why they made it "you get fishing hook for free at 13" instead of a baseline "land 20 hooks get 40% more range" quest or something

Also yeah the implementation of this is crusty. It would've been a lot less bad if it was something like "gain 5% increased Hook Range per level, up to 40%".

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Kith posted:


Also yeah the implementation of this is crusty. It would've been a lot less bad if it was something like "gain 5% increased Hook Range per level, up to 40%".

Probably not possible without adding new animations. They probably have a "normal" and "long" hook animation for each skin/hook type and would need to build out like 7 more for the intermediate versions.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Toshimo posted:

Probably not possible without adding new animations. They probably have a "normal" and "long" hook animation for each skin/hook type and would need to build out like 7 more for the intermediate versions.

Nope. The hook's chain is just a beam and it can stretch or compress to any length - and I know that because HOTS is just a really big SC2 mod and I did a lot of SC2 modding. At most you'd just need a variable added to the Hook ability that increases the relevant ranges (search, impact, actor animation, etc) range by X amount per level, up to Y cap. Ten minute addition for me, probably significantly less for someone competent.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Specialist Jimmy is surprisingly nasty.

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆
The real reason it's not 5% hook range per level is so that people playing against him can get a feel for & remember how long his hook is.
It would be a pain in the butt if the hook length was constantly changing based on levels or quest progress, but it's way easier to tell "ok am I range y/n" when there's only two possible ranges to remember

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Yeah, that's true. And it probably would've been discovered after five minutes of playtesting.

Shockeh
Feb 24, 2009

Now be a dear and
fuck the fuck off.

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

The real reason it's not 5% hook range per level is so that people playing against him can get a feel for & remember how long his hook is.
It would be a pain in the butt if the hook length was constantly changing based on levels or quest progress, but it's way easier to tell "ok am I range y/n" when there's only two possible ranges to remember

After all, it’s impossible for people playing vs Pudge, Devourer or Blitzcrank.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Shockeh posted:

After all, it’s impossible for people playing vs Pudge, Devourer or Blitzcrank.

Wut

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


The answer is pretty simple people. They saw a talent everyone took and decided to make it a baseline part of the game, without changing the function of the talent.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
Just did my first opposing team report in a while. Artanis got obviously hella mad about getting stuffed and afked in base just spamming ult to stay active.

Can't say I'm shocked since I capped this on the loading screen:

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

I lost a bunch of games yesterday and dropped from my bad metal league to another bad metal league.

Almost every game invariably went to level 23+ and came down to which team threw the last fight.

It was frustrating but I’m going to stay positive and focus on my own growth!

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Ornery and Hornery posted:

I lost a bunch of games yesterday and dropped from my bad metal league to another bad metal league.

Almost every game invariably went to level 23+ and came down to which team threw the last fight.

It was frustrating but I’m going to stay positive and focus on my own growth!

Frustrating! The HOTS teammaker giveth and the HOTS teammaker taketh away. That's why developing a friends list of people that play your preferred mode is always so important.

Desdinova
Dec 16, 2004
I had to be on my toes, like a midget at a urinal!
Anyone up for ranked play? I've been playing solo and when I'm not lagging I do alright, yet my MMR is pants cos I've been in Bronze 5 and 4 for years. Any other bottom of the barrelers want to team up?

Battletag is Duskmoor#2170 if someone wants to goon it up, some pubbies are rly bad.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


HOTS is 100% a game you must play with at least one friend to obtain enjoyment. Do not heed the siren call of public matchmaking unless you have no care for yourself, as it will unmake you and your legacy also.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Kith posted:

HOTS is 100% a game you must play with at least one friend to obtain enjoyment. Do not heed the siren call of public matchmaking unless you have no care for yourself, as it will unmake you and your legacy also.

This is the way.

Sab Sabbington
Sep 18, 2016

In my restless dreams I see that town...

Flagstaff, Arizona

Kith posted:

HOTS is 100% a game you must play with at least one friend to obtain enjoyment. Do not heed the siren call of public matchmaking unless you have no care for yourself, as it will unmake you and your legacy also.

There's an argument to be made that those of us still playing this critical condition game might benefit from a legacy unmaking, but completely agreed. Game can be very fun if you play with friends and mitigate the chances that your pubbies are insufferable assholes

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Kith posted:

HOTS is 100% a game you must play with at least one friend to obtain enjoyment. Do not heed the siren call of public matchmaking unless you have no care for yourself, as it will unmake you and your legacy also.

I had a good time solo queue dragging myself from silver to plat almost entirely by playing mage Zul'jin.

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

I really hope I can do storm league with goons.

After even more losses I don’t think I can solo anymore. Games where people just straight up don’t go to the objective, games with healers who decided to solo camps, players who immediately throw a tantrum after a single death.

I recognize I’m not GM or anything but drat. Now that I’m in the dregs it feels like I’m not even playing actual HotS.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


My teams' pubbies have been almost completely allergic to focus. Teamfights are, more often than not, just a bunch of players milling about in random directions and hoping for a kill to happen.

The few times we got players who actually knew how to initiate, follow through, coordinate CC, and so on - it was like playing a completely different game.

Get friends to play this dead game with. There's no hope otherwise.

Ort
Jul 3, 2005

Proud graduate of the Andy Reid coaching clinic.

SirSamVimes posted:

I had a good time solo queue dragging myself from silver to plat almost entirely by playing mage Zul'jin.

Did you do this in Storm League or back when Hero League was a thing? I feel like solo queuing HL was infinitely better than SL.

Pedestrian Xing
Jul 19, 2007

What's the best way for us idiots still playing to meet up? I'm always down for QM or (gold) SL, NA evenings.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Pedestrian Xing posted:

What's the best way for us idiots still playing to meet up? I'm always down for QM or (gold) SL, NA evenings.

/join sagoons

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Toshimo posted:

/join sagoons

It's usually dead with maybe 3 ppl in there and usually afk.

But yeah better than nothing :shobon:

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Ort posted:

Did you do this in Storm League or back when Hero League was a thing? I feel like solo queuing HL was infinitely better than SL.

This was back when Hero League was a thing, yeah.

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Ort posted:

Did you do this in Storm League or back when Hero League was a thing? I feel like solo queuing HL was infinitely better than SL.

Oh shucks, yeah. Solo climbing was way better in solo HL than it is now in SL.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.




hots names got me hosed up

Issakhar
Sep 10, 2009

I love to take screens of the ones that crack me up to share with some non-HoTS friends, coincidentally, a couple days ago I was playing with someone named "YupShesDead" haha

Nybble
Jun 28, 2008

praise chuck, raise heck
Saw someone named UNSTOPPABLE last week, very good

WITCHCRAFT
Aug 28, 2007

Berries That Burn
I have a guy on my friends list named DADVIDEO and every time I get him to join me for a game I beg to see the DAD VIDEO, I WANT TO SEE THE DADS

and he always tells me "no, you really don't. trust me"

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
Cool cool cool, a player in ARAM told be to find a gun and shoot myself.

Message came in right before next game, so I couldn't cap it and Bnet (and only Bnet) poo poo the bed next match and I lost chat log, so I can't even report.

Good game, Blizz.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


aram is the ultimate salt mine and i love it

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
I would wager inability to make even the slightest dent in the toxicity of their community has cost them more players than every other fuckup combined.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


oh for sure

i would say that out of every community i've ever been a part of, blizzard's have always been the worst - and this is coming from someone who frequently posted on 4chan prior to college

Half of Dracula
Oct 24, 2008

Perhaps the same could be
It's hard to overstate just how bad the general chat channels are and have been on hots

orangelex44
Oct 11, 2012

Definition of orange:

Any of a group of colors that are between red and yellow in hue. Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Old Occitan, from Arabic, from Persian, from Sanskrit.

Definition of lex:

Law. Latin.
I am eternally surprised that developers haven't learned their lesson yet and removed all chat from games except for with friends.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


orangelex44 posted:

I am eternally surprised that developers haven't learned their lesson yet and removed all chat from games except for with friends.

You need the chats in order to attract utterly toxic gamers as a marketable demographic. I'm surprised Blizzard wants to have those utterly toxic players as that is incongruent with their branding and drives off swathes of players who don't have the time or patience for that bullshit, but it's definitely a market segment you can milk.

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Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Toshimo posted:

I would wager inability to make even the slightest dent in the toxicity of their community has cost them more players than every other fuckup combined.

The entire MOBA genre and their communities are toxic as gently caress.


orangelex44 posted:

I am eternally surprised that developers haven't learned their lesson yet and removed all chat from games except for with friends.

Agreed, that's what they did with Hearthstone and it worked, up to a certain point.

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