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I still have no idea what makes blockchain better than a distributed set of SQL servers lol
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busalover posted:Wait why the gently caress is GBS not mentioned? i stole all the original characters from this thread by a time machine when the thread started three months after the book came out catspleen posted:lol you mean divabot the guy who has posted links to a free copy of the book he is “shilling” in this very thread (or maybe the YOSPOS one idk)? anyone in this thread should feel free to  the book, except that guy, he can gently caress off
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May 23, 2021 20:38
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Rectal Death Adept posted:I'm not saying he ripped things word for word. I never bothered word searching posts in his books but anyone who has read these threads since 2011 or so has seen the internal narrative develop. Hundreds of people have crowdsourced some really good information and insights on bitcoin. (I didn't know that guy was a goon and now I'm more inclined to buy a copy of his book.)
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May 23, 2021 20:43
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it feels like time to buy, what do you guys think ?
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May 23, 2021 20:46
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Does your shoeshine boy have any hot tips?
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May 23, 2021 20:48
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poverty goat posted:it feels like time to buy, what do you guys think ? Yes, buy Divabot's book.
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May 23, 2021 20:50
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Code Jockey posted:I still have no idea what makes blockchain better than a distributed set of SQL servers lol It isn't. Unless I guess maybe you have distributed servers in the hands of adversaries that will try and manipulate the data, so you have to rely on a cryptographically sound consensus of what your data actually is? But let's be honest, loving no one would set up their application or service like that, because why would you? And device health attestation would tell you when one of your servers has been compromised, so you would just... drop that server from the cluster until you can recover it. So yes, in all cases, a distributed set of database servers is a better solution.
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May 23, 2021 21:05
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catspleen posted:Does your shoeshine boy have any hot tips? 
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May 23, 2021 21:06
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NecroBob posted:It isn't. Unless I guess maybe you have distributed servers in the hands of adversaries that will try and manipulate the data, so you have to rely on a cryptographically sound consensus of what your data actually is? I can see why something would seem worthless when you put your fingers in your ears and ignore all the benefits of it
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May 23, 2021 21:11
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Fame Douglas posted:Pretty interesting that all the people that apparently never take a loss on any coin aren't posting these days. huh! Cirrhosis Johnson posted:No matter what happens, my life will be infinitely more fulfilling and successful than yours, and that makes me very excited. I guess we all have things to look forward to. They're all out living their fulfilling and successful lives.
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May 23, 2021 21:11
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xtal posted:I can see why something would seem worthless when you put your fingers in your ears and ignore all the benefits of it lol, blockchain is a first year computer science college student project. crypto is gambling for nerds.
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May 23, 2021 21:18
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xtal posted:I can see why something would seem worthless when you put your fingers in your ears and ignore all the benefits of it Can you actually name some benefits? Provide a use case for blockchain technology where the concept of blockchain actually adds something, and that can't be done by other database tech.
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May 23, 2021 21:22
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if you put hashes on your binary trees they acquire magickal powers, every comp sci wizard knows that
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May 23, 2021 21:22
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See with blockschained you can buy cp and heroin. And everyone can see the transaction, which is good for the police.
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May 23, 2021 21:24
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Blockchain is an append-only database. e: that you need to brute-force into by guessing passwords everytime you want to append. There, eat my rear end Satoshi.
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May 23, 2021 21:27
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But what if I want a kidney?
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May 23, 2021 21:28
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catspleen posted:But what if I want a kidney? *may not be a human kidney †may only be kidney shaped ‡may in fact be a honeypot for law enforcement
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May 23, 2021 21:49
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I get where the angry guy is coming from. To someone who hasn't actually done it, writing a book looks easy, especially if you have a huge amount of info to draw from. The real trick about what Divabot did and what angry probated guy didn't do, is actually putting all the words together into one place. Like, nonfiction books will often come from someone reading a whole bunch of stuff that may or may not have been their own original research. Divabot may have gotten tweets or statistics or whatever from this thread/forum, or BYOB, or Reddit, or whereever, but the actual difficult part of writing a book... Is still writing the book.
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Jose Valasquez posted:I own the NFT for this thread and I say using the thread to write books is fine but as the owner of the NFT I get 10% of the profits from the books *right-clicks* *saves as buttcoin.docx*
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May 23, 2021 22:22
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I do not give There, now my shitposts are protected.
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May 23, 2021 22:28
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Raygereio posted:Can you actually name some benefits? Provide a use case for blockchain technology where the concept of blockchain actually adds something, and that can't be done by other database tech. decentralized finance?
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xtal posted:I can see why something would seem worthless when you put your fingers in your ears and ignore all the benefits of it Please explain the advantages that blockchain provides over a distributed series of SQL servers. Be specific. Putting on my project / program management hat, I cannot for the life of me imagine a scenario where a blockchain solution - and the immense amount of change management, between retraining the IT staff to administer it, the security and controls team to understand it, and retraining support and end users to work with it, would be worth it over a properly secured and distributed network of SQL servers to store, access and audit the data. Something my organization already uses at a huge scale, and we have an entire building of people who know that technology stack extremely well. Now I grant you that "properly secured" - with auditing, tight access controls and policies in place - is a lot to ask, but a blockchain solution would also be vulnerable to these same problems, would it not? Thinking of the 51% attack problem specifically. Surely blockchain would still be vulnerable to people with too much access, operating in environments without proper controls and auditing, perhaps not in the specific ways as a SQL environment would be, though. To say nothing for the fact that I can throw a rock and hit a dozen people who are senior level DBAs or software / security / admin guys who know SQL like the backs of their hands, whereas blockchain dorks are going to probably cost me a lot more due to the niche nature of it, and I assume they'll be harder to find (at least good, experienced ones, given how new this is). And I'm going to admit a little personal bias here, but I would not trust a single blockchain "consulting firm" to not be a giant ripoff, considering... well, how normal consulting firms have been that I've worked with, but then adding on the general feeling I get from every business involved in blockchain/crypto. What problem does blockchain solve that SQL or other industry standard solutions can't, that makes it worth the investment? e. I'm not trying to say with this that "old technology good! we should never change!" because that's dumb, I just can't understand what blockchain does so much better that would justify the costs. Perhaps I'm the wrong market anyway, coming from a well established international corporation and not a small tech startup that would have the flexibility to pick whatever it wants to use, without having existing systems to migrate, I dunno. Still not sure why you wouldn't just go with a more industry standard technology there too, though. Code Jockey fucked around with this message at 22:34 on May 23, 2021 |
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May 23, 2021 22:31
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you can embed child porn in it
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May 23, 2021 22:34
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Code Jockey posted:Please explain the advantages that blockchain provides over a distributed series of SQL servers. Be specific. Putting on my project / program management hat, I cannot for the life of me imagine a scenario where a blockchain solution - and the immense amount of change management, between retraining the IT staff to administer it, the security and controls team to understand it, and retraining support and end users to work with it, would be worth it over a properly secured and distributed network of SQL servers to store, access and audit the data. Something my organization already uses at a huge scale, and we have an entire building of people who know that technology stack extremely well. *Huffs neckbeardily* It's got curated content nodes, DAD
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May 23, 2021 22:34
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:no one has even come close to creating a compelling use case outside of illegal activity. Of course, that all depends on exchanges not being able to walk off with all your money, the price of bitcoin not falling 50% in a single day, and transactions not costing $15 or whatever the average fee is now.
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May 23, 2021 22:35
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I wouldn't mind divabot posting a little more about his books. I didn't notice he had a second one out until about six months after it was published.
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May 23, 2021 22:38
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I feel like audit and accounting could benift somehow from blockchain, but I can't really figure out how? Like a significant amount of effort is taken up every year from auditors digging into general ledgers of companies to "get comfortable" with the numbers and the systems producing the financial reports. It seems like a unmodifiable ledger based on cryptography would apply here somehow? But I don't think there has been any adoption of it, so probably not.
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May 23, 2021 22:38
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1) Every time Divabot doesn't post about their book, everyone should ask "Where's Divabot's book?" 2) Divabot should be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine.
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So, as far as I can tell, it only works for the fantasy stock market of crypto? You can trade, loan, and manage electropogs in a decentralized fashion. The only value the electropogs have is consensus agreement and not pegged to anything, backed by anything, or recoverable if anything untoward happens. Since the value of electropogs is highly volatile (due to its inherently fictional nature) you're gambling moving real value through, in that the $100 of electropogs you bought won't necessarily be worth $100 when the receiving party gets it, and you still have fees to convert the electropogs back into real money. It's seems like the primary use is to swirl electropogs around to make it look like they are increasing in value.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:So, as far as I can tell, it only works for the fantasy stock market of crypto? You can trade, loan, and manage electropogs in a decentralized fashion. The only value the electropogs have is consensus agreement and not pegged to anything, backed by anything, or recoverable if anything untoward happens. Since the value of electropogs is highly volatile (due to its inherently fictional nature) you're gambling moving real value through, in that the $100 of electropogs you bought won't necessarily be worth $100 when the receiving party gets it, and you still have fees to convert the electropogs back into real money. It's seems like the primary use is to swirl electropogs around to make it look like they are increasing in value. I don't know, but that sure sounds like the kinda fun you can't have on normal database tech
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ChronoBasher posted:I feel like audit and accounting could benift somehow from blockchain, but I can't really figure out how? Our finance system can enable change tracking and auditing for every single record / ledger / data point that it tracks, and show you who touched what, when, and what they did. Have we done this, though? No, but the option is there.  Again I have to ask if companies couldn't just rewrite history if they had enough access to that blockchain, AKA if someone gave the CFO top level admin on the blockchain machines or he paid off some IT nerds to do it or something. Again isn't that the whole idea of the 51% attack, that if you have enough control (which would be considerably easier in a private, smaller scale blockchain, I assume) you can do whatever you want anyway?
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By not including my terrible posts in his book, divabot has been manipulating the whole story and hiding the truth. I will therefore be suing him until every bit of poo poo I spew into this forum is committed to paper.
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May 23, 2021 22:49
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All of chuck tingles books are verbatim copies of this thread.
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May 23, 2021 22:52
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Or at least the titles capture the general atmosphere.
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May 23, 2021 22:52
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Code Jockey posted:Please explain the advantages that blockchain provides over a distributed series of SQL servers. Be specific. Putting on my project / program management hat, I cannot for the life of me imagine a scenario where a blockchain solution - and the immense amount of change management, between retraining the IT staff to administer it, the security and controls team to understand it, and retraining support and end users to work with it, would be worth it over a properly secured and distributed network of SQL servers to store, access and audit the data. Something my organization already uses at a huge scale, and we have an entire building of people who know that technology stack extremely well. The key difference is Byzantine fault tolerance and censorship resistance. If you don't need that, then of course you'd use a more simple solution. The use case for blockchains is extremely narrow, and a corporation using a blockchain is contradictory. (Blockchains are trustless, but corporations are built on trusting the state already.)
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May 23, 2021 22:53
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Put homomorphically encrypted consciousness on the blockchain
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May 23, 2021 22:54
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xtal posted:The key difference is Byzantine fault tolerance and censorship resistance. If you don't need that, then of course you'd use a more simple solution. The use case for blockchains is extremely narrow, and a corporation using a blockchain is contradictory. (Blockchains are trustless, but corporations are built on trusting the state already.) Ok so then, WHAT specifically is this narrow, stateless usecase that isn't illegal, as was asked of you?
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May 23, 2021 22:58
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If that was asked of me it was a really silly question, lol.
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International trade of dog dick coffee tables
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ChronoBasher posted:I feel like audit and accounting could benift somehow from blockchain, but I can't really figure out how? from the standpoint of lots of companies don't bother to turn on audit logging because they are cheap/stupid, it might help from an audit standpoint, if someone really wants to bullshit you, they can still do things off the books and pretending that blockchain covers that would just give a false sense of security
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