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The people still wiping their milk jugs with alcohol pads usually say something like “Well it’s easy to do and if it reduces the risk even slightly it’s worth it.” Which is fine, I guess, but leads to innocent lobsters and trash can lids getting the blame over quarantine hotel managers who just can’t seem to understand that they shouldn’t be letting guests and security guards breathe on each other.
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Fallom posted:but leads to innocent lobsters hold on, what?
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May 23, 2021 14:05
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People got fixated on blaming a package of frozen lobster when an Australian or New Zealand dock worker got infected and contract tracing didn't reveal any contacts. This was before people understood that lying to contact tracers is a sport and also that a number of people remain infectious after 2-week quarantines.
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May 23, 2021 14:22
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QuarkJets posted:The CDC page links to a study suggesting that the fomite transmission risk is maybe 1 in 10,000; specifically, that each time a fomite is touched by a healthy person there's a 0.01% likelihood of creating a covid-19 case. That may seem small, but that's the chance for every touch; how many library cards, dollar bills, and book covers might get handled in a single month? There's definitely prudence in minimizing the number of these touch interactions, even if we were just talking about flu season rather than the covid-19 pandemic Right, but that would be per person if we're just talking about the odds of them getting infected. So a single person would have to handle every book in the library like every day for a week and touch their face after every single time to maybe get infected. And that's assuming they're not vaccinated. We hand out new library cards and/or take cash money at the desk far less than that so 
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poverty goat posted:And then there was just never a big announcement that it was time to start licking guardrails again and stop bleaching the bananas so some people have been living under the full spring 2020 lockdown panic rules this whole time e: and they probably think we're the assholes who just aren't doing our due diligence as a result I came across some good anecdotes about this recently. The last one is the most bizarre. quote:[Average people] are still leaving their groceries on the porch for a day and microwaving their mail because that's what they heard last, and nobody frankly has gone to great effort to tell them otherwise because that would be Bad For Business. quote:This is a slight tangent, but does anyone have reputable resources that encourage people/businesses against too much surface disinfecting hygiene theatre? I've found lots of papers and articles that talk about aerosol transmission being the main issue, but nothing super reputable that clearly states that it's much less important in terms of disease control to be wiping down surfaces all the time. quote:I always struggle with how much to bring this up during staff meetings. You don't want to make people feel less safe but on the re-opening call (I work in a public high school), there's people asking about what the procedure will be for bringing bags into the building because at their church(!!!) they have a rule that only car keys can be brought into the church where they'll all stand next to each other singing without masks on for two hours.
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For the record, although I spent this whole pandemic staying at home when I wasn't at work or needing to go to the store, always masked when I went out, barely saw my parents and when I did it was with a mask, I stopped the ridiculous "wipe all your groceries down!" poo poo after the first month. I never thought that there was a big risk, or much of any risk, for transmission from surfaces, and even less so the more information I got. I agree that the likely reason people are still doing all that stuff is that they heard way back at the beginning that surface transmission was bad and so they just never corrected that behavior. I almost feel like it's just an OCD "tick" that people will never shake, like there are going to be people who just will never stop doing weird rituals to keep themselves safe because they formed the habit and now their PTSD prevents them from stopping doing it.
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PTSD? Nah, the mask agoraphobia yes, but being paranoid and wiping groceries does not even come close to real PTSD. There are posters in this thread with very real PTSD and being traumatised by having to wash broccoli ain’t it. Lot of people, especially rich people working from home making out like taking a few precautions is THE WORST MOST STRESSFUL THING TO HAVE EVER HAPPENED, need to step the gently caress back and imagine how the doctors/nurses and retail workers feel.
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May 23, 2021 15:19
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I only stopped truly giving a gently caress about potential fomites when I got vaccinated. I gave up the rituals long before, but I couldn’t stop myself from thinking “you don’t know where that thing has been” and being reflexively distrustful of things I handled.
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May 23, 2021 15:24
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Azathoth Prime posted:BBC News posted: This is some apocalypse 28 Days Later poo poo. The virus doesn't spread much through gastric routes, right? Is having literal piles of bodies decomposing and floating casually down a river likely to cause increased virus reservoirs in the animal populations? Because jfc
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Tagra posted:This is some apocalypse 28 Days Later poo poo. We need to get video of this published so we can get public pressure to send vaccines around the world. If there would have been more video of what was happening inside intensive care units inside the United States there would have been less denial about coronavirus. I'll always regret more people didn't sneak their phones in and then blur out faces and show dying people frankly. Anyway poor India oh my God
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learnincurve posted:Lot of people, especially rich people working from home making out like taking a few precautions is THE WORST MOST STRESSFUL THING TO HAVE EVER HAPPENED, need to step the gently caress back and imagine how the doctors/nurses and retail workers feel.
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I was in an office leadership meeting about hypothetical reopening last summer where there was a lengthy debate over what the recommended guidelines should be for using the coffee machine, in re proper sanitization procedures. Engineers kept dreaming up scenarios where it would be possible for a microbe to get transferred from one person's hand to another and the procedure kept getting more and more elaborate.
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poverty goat posted:If anything this just demonstrates that we need to make life much harder for the rich Anyone who said “it got so bad I ate bread” should be first against the wall imo
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King Vidiot posted:Right, but that would be per person if we're just talking about the odds of them getting infected. So a single person would have to handle every book in the library like every day for a week and touch their face after every single time to maybe get infected. And that's assuming they're not vaccinated. We hand out new library cards and/or take cash money at the desk far less than that so I dunno about your particular library situation, but couldn't you come a long way by just mandating disposable gloves whenever handling ID cards or cash? I imagine that's the safest and cheapest way.
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May 23, 2021 21:16
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King Vidiot posted:For the record, although I spent this whole pandemic staying at home when I wasn't at work or needing to go to the store, always masked when I went out, barely saw my parents and when I did it was with a mask, I stopped the ridiculous "wipe all your groceries down!" poo poo after the first month. I never thought that there was a big risk, or much of any risk, for transmission from surfaces, and even less so the more information I got. I agree that the likely reason people are still doing all that stuff is that they heard way back at the beginning that surface transmission was bad and so they just never corrected that behavior. This was 100% me as the Victorian second wave was winding down - I was sanitising my keys, bankcard and phone every time I came back in the house from a jog even up to the point where the entire state recorded no new cases. Fully aware of how ridiculous it was but I'd ingrained it and couldn't help myself. It was only on the day we recorded no active cases, let alone no new cases, I was like, OK mate, this is the last off-ramp, you need to force yourself to stop unless you want to have OCD for the rest of your life. And I still felt weird about it for a few weeks. There must just be something evolutionary embedded in our monkey brains about contaminated surfaces.
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:I dunno about your particular library situation, but couldn't you come a long way by just mandating disposable gloves whenever handling ID cards or cash? I imagine that's the safest and cheapest way. The security guards who log your photo ID at hospitals here just wear disposable gloves and they handle hundreds of cards daily. It should definitely be adequate in similar situations.
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May 23, 2021 21:43
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freebooter posted:This was 100% me as the Victorian second wave was winding down - I was sanitising my keys, bankcard and phone every time I came back in the house from a jog even up to the point where the entire state recorded no new cases. Fully aware of how ridiculous it was but I'd ingrained it and couldn't help myself. It was only on the day we recorded no active cases, let alone no new cases, I was like, OK mate, this is the last off-ramp, you need to force yourself to stop unless you want to have OCD for the rest of your life. And I still felt weird about it for a few weeks. This is me right now. I'm reeeeeally struggling to take that off-ramp. I'm going to have to do it in stages I think. I wonder if I'll start having nightmares about it in the near future like the ones where I'm in a crowded store, and I forgot my mask. The one stupid thing that I keep thinking about (most likely my boomer conscience), is "they said this wasn't airborne for months..." I need to ask myself: 1. Who is "they"? 2. Is there any evidence of transmission via surfaces actually documented? I didn't think I'd have this hard a time getting out of this habit. Legit question: for people that are no longer sanitizing itt, hypothetically, if you went through a fast food drive through, would you sanitize your hands before dipping into the bag and eating some fries?
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Um. You can’t absorb the virus through your skin. The gloves are because if you sanitize your hands 9000 times a day it destroys your hands so sanitising the gloves is better. A danger when dealing with The General Public is going to be rubbing your eyes or mouth which people tend to unconsciously do, so if you are in a situation where you need gloves you need eye protection as well, even if it’s only frames with clear lenses or the clear visor.
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Wait, you reach into the bag and eat fries in the car before you get home?
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As a matter of habit, even in the normal times, this isn’t remotely odd or weird because sanitising your hands before eating food if you can’t get to a washroom should really be the norm. The journey from front door to drive through entails you touching your jacket (potential bird poo poo) and your shoes (potential dog poo poo) then your front door (potential pissy handed neighbour) and then your car (bird poo poo again). So yeh, don’t eat food without cleaning your hands.
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i only bathe in pure isopropyl alcohol
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I have the lady in the second window dispense fries directly into my mouth is that okay
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Today's "covid is coming" statement comes from the Australian Medical Association.quote:The president of the Australian Medical Association, Dr Omar Khorshid, has warned Covid “is coming” one way or another. https://www.theguardian.com/austral...vid-crisis-hits
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A Strange Aeon posted:Wait, you reach into the bag and eat fries in the car before you get home? Before the pandemic, and if I was hungry, yes I have. Definitely not right now, and not anytime in the near future.
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Kragger99 posted:Before the pandemic, and if I was hungry, yes I have. Definitely not right now, and not anytime in the near future. Sorry, I was trying to inject some levity into an at times doomy thread. One of life's greatest pleasures is eating hot french fries from a McDonald's bag in the passenger seat before you even pull out of the parking lot. I'd hate to deny anyone that and I certainly don't resist the temptation myself.
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Kragger99 posted:Before the pandemic, and if I was hungry, yes I have. Definitely not right now, and not anytime in the near future. I think it's probably okay to eat french fries out of the bag at this point, especially if you're vaccinated. Or at the very least, it's probably not notably more dangerous to do now than it was two years ago. That being said, I am definitely a proponent of people taking whatever steps they need to take in order to feel safe, even if I don't feel the same way. I'm sad on your behalf about the loss of road fries though.
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My state lifted all restrictions, and, as I've been vaccinated for 3 full months now (healthcare), I decided to go to the store without a mask (I figured lots of people would be). I should not have picked Trader Joe's. No one said anything, but I was one of like 3 people in that very busy store not wearing a mask, and the other two looked like chud-types. 
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A Strange Aeon posted:Sorry, I was trying to inject some levity into an at times doomy thread. Bite your tongue! It's not doomy to note that, based on vaccine efficacy of 95%, if you eat 20 fries you're going to catch Covid. And with a CFR of 2%, if you eat 1000 fries you're going to die of Covid. It's just math, man.
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Can't wait until Wednesday night when I get to dig into the Big Mac combo that I just placed (wearing gloves) in the garage to rest for 72 full hours.
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And to be clear, I used one pair of gloves to place the order, another pair to hand my credit card to the employee, another pair to accept the order, another pair to drive home, and a another pair to place the order in the garage. Then turned on the belt sander with a fresh pair of gloves and ran my hands on it to prevent fomite transmission. I loving love the environment!
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Chief McHeath posted:And to be clear, I used one pair of gloves to place the order, another pair to hand my credit card to the employee, another pair to accept the order, another pair to drive home, and a another pair to place the order in the garage. Then turned on the belt sander with a fresh pair of gloves and ran my hands on it to prevent fomite transmission. Right but how many times did you change your condom?
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:I dunno about your particular library situation, but couldn't you come a long way by just mandating disposable gloves whenever handling ID cards or cash? I imagine that's the safest and cheapest way. Only if they frequently have you changing or sanitizing the gloves. If you wear the same gloves for 4 hours those gloves aren't remotely sanitary. And then if you unconsciously wipe your eye or rub your nose? You need to keep the virus away from your face holes. Keeping it off your fingers is only useful because people often rub their fingers on their face holes. Don't rub your face holes.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Every time a contaminated surface is touched, and that same article mentions that nonporous surfaces like library cards and book covers are contaminated for no more than minutes. Even pour our ones don’t have a long time where the virus lasts on them- the CDC mentions 3 days and also points out that that’s under lab conditions that are made to maximize time the virus is intact. 1) That's what a fomite is: a contaminated surface 2) Those time spans that were studied are relevant to the types of interactions that we're talking about : someone handing you cash, a library card, a book, etc. King Vidiot posted:Right, but that would be per person if we're just talking about the odds of them getting infected. So a single person would have to handle every book in the library like every day for a week and touch their face after every single time to maybe get infected. And that's assuming they're not vaccinated. We hand out new library cards and/or take cash money at the desk far less than that so Your coworkers are probably trying to prevent anyone on the staff from getting infected, so you need to account for the interactions made by the entire staff, not just one person. Basically, how many surface interactions with strangers are performed per month for everyone on the staff, and what's the probability that any individual coming in is infected? That's how you determine your risk per month. Those odds already have "and touch your face" baked into the probability, someone touching their face after every interaction with a fomite would have much greater odds of becoming infected QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 01:23 on May 24, 2021 |
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spouse posted:My state lifted all restrictions, and, as I've been vaccinated for 3 full months now (healthcare), I decided to go to the store without a mask (I figured lots of people would be). Hahaha, this is exactly my situation too. I want to go places without a mask but I feel like people will think I’m some unvaccinated anti masker. At least at work they have verification so I won’t feel weird going massless there. It’s gonna be awesome not having to constantly raise my voice over the mask and machinery.
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A Strange Aeon posted:Wait, you reach into the bag and eat fries in the car before you get home? Oh c'mon my good friend Who has NOT?? (Before covid, I mean) Edit: when will I learn to read all of a thread before ever posting? When?? I'll leave my post and hopefully learn from my shame
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QuarkJets posted:Your coworkers are probably trying to prevent anyone on the staff from getting infected, so you need to account for the interactions made by the entire staff, not just one person. Basically, how many surface interactions with strangers are performed per month for everyone on the staff, and what's the probability that any individual coming in is infected? That's how you determine your risk per month. We've all been vaccinated, so we're even less likely than "incredibly unlikely" to get infected from contaminated surfaces.
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I really hope the pet cremation lady doesn't get covid because I'm gonna need her not once but twice in the next while. I don't think I ever really did the fomite stuff, honestly. I wash my hands when I come home before I touch my ugly mug, but I didn't ever really get into wiping stuff down like my cereal box beyond... I don't know, a little bit into the pandemic.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:I really hope the pet cremation lady doesn't get covid because I'm gonna need her not once but twice in the next while. I'm really, really sorry FB.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:I really hope the pet cremation lady doesn't get covid because I'm gonna need her not once but twice in the next while. I'm so sorry to hear that. The guy who handles it in my area was a great comfort in a hard time with my kitty, earlier this year.
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