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e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Crumps Brother posted:

Sounds like my water wipe down is perfectly adequate for now. Good to know. In other news, the wife and I have been doing some housework before the baby gets here and I finally had cause to buy a jigsaw. So of course I immediately went on Amazon and bought a sketchy chinese set of massage attachments. Absolute A+ purchase so far. Percussive recovery is great.


:stare:

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Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

-G-
Get Equipped with
Ground Game
It's the end of a very shortlived era. A friend of mine saw my jigsaw massage attachments and immediately ordered a replacement for it. This feels marginally less sketchy.


I don't know why foam rolling feels like such a chore but these things are easy as hell.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

Crumps Brother posted:


I don't know why foam rolling feels like such a chore but these things are easy as hell.

:same:

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

What’s up with randos immediately friend requesting you on Zwift when you do a race/group ride/give them kudos?

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



I don’t know, but it’s annoying and I have my profile private as a result. It’s a pain to add just your friends to a ride invite when you have 9,001 randos following you.

Of course making your Zwift account private means the turbo nerds on Zwiftpower will accuse you of cheating.

Partycat
Oct 25, 2004

I added people before I realized the screen at the end of a ride did that. I thought it gave them a thumbs up back.

Wifi Toilet
Oct 1, 2004

Toilet Rascal
Kurt Kinetic is having a 20% off sale and I'm considering getting one of their power sensors to stick on my old rock and roll trainer. I'm a nearly 50 year old fat guy so I have no real reason to get it other than having more numbers to look at could be fun (or depressing more likely) but if it's gonna be wildly inaccurate I won't bother. Anyone use one?

Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

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They're incredibly consistent. When I was using mine I went the extra mile and always made sure I rode with the same tire pressure, flywheel pressure, and skewer pressure just to make sure numbers matched from one ride to the next. Accurate, not really. But that doesn't actually matter near as much as being consistent does.

Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

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After a couple months off I'm back to TrainerRoad. They threw the adaptive training beta at me while my subscription was in hiatus. From what I gather that's actually pretty common. So if you want to play with adaptive training just cancel your account for a month. You'll have it soon enough. It's been fun. They give you a few questions about experience and have you plug in some race dates and the plan builder just goes from there. They definitely started me out too conservatively so I was bumping up my workouts to get something more. Then the adaptive part kicks in afterwards and alters the next few weeks of workouts to match that intensity. It's pretty neat.

I also gave up on my Jabras for Bluetooth purposes. My ears aren't too bad, but I have just enough cauliflower from Jiu-Jitsu to make in-ear headphones really comfy. I gave AfterShokz a go and holy cow these things are wonderful. Movies and tv come through clear as can be. Plus I can actually hear my wife if she needs to chat with me for a sec. All in all it was a game changing switch.

Everything is so much sweatier in the summer. I'm really looking forward to when I can open a window and cool down the room with fresh winter air.

osker
Dec 18, 2002

Wedge Regret
I am eyeballing one of these Wahoo Kickr Bikes, but 3500 bones sure a hell feels like a lot.

The regular trainers seem a lot more reasonable at 1000 bucks, but my current bike is my daily commuter and I am not taking that thing apart just to train indoors. What is the cheapest road bike I can pick up to slap onto a trainer?

edit: just watched a video for the Wahoo v5 -- I guess any ol' frame will do so long as I have an 11 speed setup.

osker fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Aug 27, 2021

rngd in the womb
Oct 13, 2009

Yam Slacker
Whatever's available at the lowest price possible in your area or on the used market? Maybe you could find something with a 10/11 speed modern drivetrain?

The supply chain is still recovering so you might have a hard time finding a new bike in the local shops.

osker
Dec 18, 2002

Wedge Regret

rngd in the womb posted:

Whatever's available at the lowest price possible in your area or on the used market? Maybe you could find something with a 10/11 speed modern drivetrain?

The supply chain is still recovering so you might have a hard time finding a new bike in the local shops.

I'm going junk bike shopping in NYC. Thank you.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
What exactly do you want it for?

The Kickr Bike is incredibly expensive, and while it does include extra features over the Wattbike Atom or Tacx Bike to kinda justify it, stuff like the gradient change feature aren't really worth an extra grand or so in my opinion. Getting a second bike and a trainer is only worthwhile if that bike's going to be ridden outside, imo, especially given how difficult it is to get bikes at the moment.

In any case, the price difference between a bike + a kickr vs a wattbike atom isn't going to be enormous, and you don't have to deal with any of the additional troubleshooting that comes with the increased mechanical complexity.

There's also the option of a wheel-on trainer which will be much quicker to change for your commuter and also much cheaper, but it's a load cheaper for a reason.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

osker posted:

I am eyeballing one of these Wahoo Kickr Bikes, but 3500 bones sure a hell feels like a lot.

The regular trainers seem a lot more reasonable at 1000 bucks, but my current bike is my daily commuter and I am not taking that thing apart just to train indoors. What is the cheapest road bike I can pick up to slap onto a trainer?

edit: just watched a video for the Wahoo v5 -- I guess any ol' frame will do so long as I have an 11 speed setup.


It comes with an 11spd HG cassette, but you can swap in any HG cassette with the appropriate amount of spacers.

I'd rather have the Stages Bike SB20 than the KICKR Bike, but my priorities are build quality, noise and that 50lb flywheel.

osker
Dec 18, 2002

Wedge Regret

MrL_JaKiri posted:

What exactly do you want it for?

The Kickr Bike is incredibly expensive, and while it does include extra features over the Wattbike Atom or Tacx Bike to kinda justify it, stuff like the gradient change feature aren't really worth an extra grand or so in my opinion. Getting a second bike and a trainer is only worthwhile if that bike's going to be ridden outside, imo, especially given how difficult it is to get bikes at the moment.

In any case, the price difference between a bike + a kickr vs a wattbike atom isn't going to be enormous, and you don't have to deal with any of the additional troubleshooting that comes with the increased mechanical complexity.

There's also the option of a wheel-on trainer which will be much quicker to change for your commuter and also much cheaper, but it's a load cheaper for a reason.

The allure of the Kickr Bike is that my wife can use it, if she doesn't think that internet bikes are stupid.

The rest of it is just OCD min-maxing on the back of looking for something fun and healthy when the weather is absolutely grotesque as it was this afternoon on my ride home.

Vando
Oct 26, 2007

stoats about
It also takes like 10 seconds to take a wheel off and put a bike on the kickr so maybe just buy it and find out if those 10 seconds annoy you too much, then buy another bike if it does?

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
Just here to stan for the stages sb20, it’s real good

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
I would have gotten the stages bike as well if I didn't get the wahoo bike for such a big discount. I was also really lucky because work subsidized most of it

Blackhawk
Nov 15, 2004

I just started paying for zwift again after using it a few times a year ago and getting lazy (yay for lockdown getting me back on the bike I guess). Thing is I'm finding my fit on the roadbike feels extremely unnatural when it's on the trainer. It feels perfectly fine on the road and I've ridden it in the same setup for nearly a decade now, but as soon as I put it on the trainer it feels like the bars are way too far away and I'm putting too much weight on my arms. My knob goes numb after any sustained efforts and my arms are getting tired before my legs.

Again, none of these issues actually riding on the road but it feels like a completely different bike on the trainer. All I can think of is maybe the front wheel is too low? Or it could just be that when on the trainer I'm never coasting and so not taking the weight off my arms and groin as much as I would on a normal ride.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Blackhawk posted:

I just started paying for zwift again after using it a few times a year ago and getting lazy (yay for lockdown getting me back on the bike I guess). Thing is I'm finding my fit on the roadbike feels extremely unnatural when it's on the trainer. It feels perfectly fine on the road and I've ridden it in the same setup for nearly a decade now, but as soon as I put it on the trainer it feels like the bars are way too far away and I'm putting too much weight on my arms. My knob goes numb after any sustained efforts and my arms are getting tired before my legs.

Again, none of these issues actually riding on the road but it feels like a completely different bike on the trainer. All I can think of is maybe the front wheel is too low? Or it could just be that when on the trainer I'm never coasting and so not taking the weight off my arms and groin as much as I would on a normal ride.

Do you have a block for the front wheel?

https://www.cycleops.com/post/blog-16-all-about-the-climbing-riser-block

Otherwise your bike is going to pointed downward.

Blackhawk
Nov 15, 2004

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

Do you have a block for the front wheel?

https://www.cycleops.com/post/blog-16-all-about-the-climbing-riser-block

Otherwise your bike is going to pointed downward.

Nope, buy my partner has one she used to use with her old wind trainer that I can give a shot. Probably made worse by my road bike having a pretty aggressive setup with a lot of seat to bar drop.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
A wheel on trainer will always point "downwards" because the wheel needs to be raised off the ground. You don't necessarily need a specialist block - I used to use a book that was the right size.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

Blackhawk posted:

I just started paying for zwift again after using it a few times a year ago and getting lazy (yay for lockdown getting me back on the bike I guess). Thing is I'm finding my fit on the roadbike feels extremely unnatural when it's on the trainer. It feels perfectly fine on the road and I've ridden it in the same setup for nearly a decade now, but as soon as I put it on the trainer it feels like the bars are way too far away and I'm putting too much weight on my arms. My knob goes numb after any sustained efforts and my arms are getting tired before my legs.

Again, none of these issues actually riding on the road but it feels like a completely different bike on the trainer. All I can think of is maybe the front wheel is too low? Or it could just be that when on the trainer I'm never coasting and so not taking the weight off my arms and groin as much as I would on a normal ride.

Couple things to help straight away.

As mentioned above, get a few books under your front wheel to raise the wheel up.It You're also absolutely right that on a trainer theres zero dead spots as you pedal. its a constant effort. It will take a few rides on a trainer to completely get used to that but you will still get worn out quicker on a trainer than an equivalent effort road ride.

Your bike moves when you're out on the road, so you're constantly shifting position without even thinking about it. To compensate for this stand up every now and then and that should help with the numbness issues.

The biggest killer is the heat though, get a massive fan and a towel over the headset/top tube. I've seen people rust the bolts in their stem from the amount the sweat over a winter of zwifting.

Blackhawk
Nov 15, 2004

serious gaylord posted:

Couple things to help straight away.

As mentioned above, get a few books under your front wheel to raise the wheel up.It You're also absolutely right that on a trainer theres zero dead spots as you pedal. its a constant effort. It will take a few rides on a trainer to completely get used to that but you will still get worn out quicker on a trainer than an equivalent effort road ride.

Your bike moves when you're out on the road, so you're constantly shifting position without even thinking about it. To compensate for this stand up every now and then and that should help with the numbness issues.

The biggest killer is the heat though, get a massive fan and a towel over the headset/top tube. I've seen people rust the bolts in their stem from the amount the sweat over a winter of zwifting.

Cheers, I've had my wheel up on a stand as high as possible for a few sessions now and it's been a lot better. Still uncomfortable on the saddle for 50 mins though and having to actively move around/sit up a bunch to try to get the pressure off. It probably doesn't help that I'm doing training sessions in ERG mode where I have my power and cadence dictated for me and I don't really get the option to slack off or stand up on the pedals for the whole time. It's not intolerable though and I haven't had much saddle time for ages so I might just get used to it eventually.

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!


:yeshaha:

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

Blackhawk posted:

Cheers, I've had my wheel up on a stand as high as possible for a few sessions now and it's been a lot better. Still uncomfortable on the saddle for 50 mins though and having to actively move around/sit up a bunch to try to get the pressure off. It probably doesn't help that I'm doing training sessions in ERG mode where I have my power and cadence dictated for me and I don't really get the option to slack off or stand up on the pedals for the whole time. It's not intolerable though and I haven't had much saddle time for ages so I might just get used to it eventually.

If it helps I can really only tolerate about 2 hours max on a trainer. For me it serves a purpose and im not going to do a 4+ hour zone 2 ride on one.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man
It takes like 8000CFM to to approximate riding outdoors at 20mph. Everyone should keep that in mind when they try to ride on trainers with just one pedestal fan that is moving 400CFM.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

TobinHatesYou posted:

It takes like 8000CFM to to approximate riding outdoors at 20mph. Everyone should keep that in mind when they try to ride on trainers with just one pedestal fan that is moving 400CFM.

:hmmyes:

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

Fun Shoe
My Lasko claims 3100 CFM at the low setting, so I guess I can't get the cooling of 20mph real world, but boy I sure do get a lot more CFM grinding up a steep hill!

Dutymode
Dec 31, 2008
Which smart trainer app/zwift/trainerroad etc. is most convenient for sharing with my spouse?

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

Dutymode posted:

Which smart trainer app/zwift/trainerroad etc. is most convenient for sharing with my spouse?

Whichever app you and your spouse actually like to use since they are all very different.

Sharing one account will mess with fitness tracking and other long metrics though.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Sharing these accounts is also against the TOS. Unlikely to be acted on but something to note. You’d also run into problems if you tried to race on Zwiftpower since your numbers will he different.

Dutymode
Dec 31, 2008
Yeah I was hoping one had support or a discount for sharing with a friend, I'd used Zwift a year or so ago myself but just bought a smart trainer since our fluid trainer poo poo itself. I suppose it'll be 2 accounts then!

Jonny Quest
Nov 11, 2004

Dutymode posted:

Which smart trainer app/zwift/trainerroad etc. is most convenient for sharing with my spouse?

Not So Comedy Option: the Peloton App. Super easy to share between people plus you get all the other workouts for just $14/month.

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

Jonny Quest posted:

Not So Comedy Option: the Peloton App. Super easy to share between people plus you get all the other workouts for just $14/month.

That’s what I was going to suggest.

The only downside is you don’t really get use out of the “smart” part of your trainer. You can’t use ERG mode for resistance and the metrics the app displays are not the same as on the actual bike. Iirc, you just get heart rate.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man
If dutymode and spouse are both cyclists in the traditional sense, I probably wouldn't get Peloton. If one isn't specifically a cyclist and just wants cardio and live-coaching, it would be a consideration.

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

This 18 mile, 2000ft elevation gain route in Zwift looks like a good thing to ride!
2 hours later: I hate myself and i cant feel my legs but at least i finished it.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

Blackhawk posted:

I can think of is maybe the front wheel is too low?

Or it could just be that when on the trainer I'm never coasting and so not taking the weight off my arms and groin as much as I would on a normal ride.

Is your front wheel still attached?
Is the trainer a wheel on or wheel off one? How high is your rear axle off the ground?

There should be less weight on your hands (and arse) when you’re pedalling hard than at other times.

Coasting should be less comfortable if anything.

Come And See
Sep 15, 2008

We're all awash in a sea of blood, and the least we can do is wave to each other.


Could anyone recommend me a fancy indoor stationary bike?

I don't own a normal bike, I've finally moved into a house with space, this would be my first exercise equipment and I want to lose weight over the winter. I'm a big guy, 6'1", 280lb.

My budget could go as high as $4000. I rarely ever treat myself (I can afford it, I'm just crazy frugal) and I want to get something I can be proud of that will last me.

I want the best bike my budget can buy within reason, but don't need fancy software for entertainment (I plan on watching Netflix) and am averse to anything subscription-based. Tech for health tracking is fine but not a requirement.

I already own a large industrial fan.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
Stages SB20, 50lb flywheel owns bones.

Sprinting on it is hilarious, might as well be bolted to the floor.

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