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Saladman posted:Luxembourg has won Eurovision 5 times?? Good lord. Hell, their 1967 entry was big enough that I'd hear I recongnized it from regular US oldies stations, from before I moved to Europe.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Yeah exactly Luxembourg used to be the centre of europe's music industry because they could broadcast stuff into surrounding countries while circumventing those country's laws. Also tax avoidance. Read up on RTL (Radio and Television Luxemburg). They had stations in basically every surrounding country and RTL tv stations are still a thing, at least by name. For instance RTL was the first commercial television station in the Netherlands, back when only public tv was allowed. They claimed back then that their (Dutch language) shows were recorded in Luxemburg but they never were, they just routed the signal through Luxemburg and back.
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May 24, 2021 15:55
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Blut posted:5 wins for Luxembourg, 5 wins for the Netherlands and 5 wins for Ireland. The secret to Eurovision success appears to be enabling corporate tax evasion. 7 for ireland! Though most of those wins were because none of the other countries wanted to host There is a good documentary about it called "My Lovely Horse"
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May 24, 2021 16:07
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Blut posted:5 wins for Luxembourg, 5 wins for the Netherlands and 5 wins for Ireland. The secret to Eurovision success appears to be enabling corporate tax evasion. More presidents of the EU have also been from Luxembourg than any other country. I'm too lazy to make a map but presumably everyone here can visualize, number of EU presidents & amount of time they served: Luxembourg: 3 (4 years + 4 years + 5 years) France: 2 (4 years + 10 years) Germany: 2 (10 years + 1.5 years, current incumbent) Italy: 2 (1.5 years + 5 years) Portugal: 1 (10 years) UK: 1 (4 years) Belgium: 1 (3 years) Netherlands: 1 (not even 1 year) Spain (6 months) A five minute Wikipedia read synopsis: Apparently the Spain one was interim because he was VP under Jacques Santer, who was forced out because he was accused of corruption, but the investigation "only" found his administration to be grossly incompetent. NL was short for a similar reason, the previous Italian president resigned because he wanted to run for some Italian office. Not sure why the Belgian one was shorter. Saladman fucked around with this message at 16:30 on May 24, 2021 |
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May 24, 2021 16:24
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This map gets updated pretty regularly  Should I use timg for these huge maps, or just post em in full?
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May 25, 2021 20:16
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:This map gets updated pretty regularly Use timg, please
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May 25, 2021 21:19
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Yeah exactly Luxembourg used to be the centre of europe's music industry because they could broadcast stuff into surrounding countries while circumventing those country's laws. Also tax avoidance. Not just surrounding countries; Radio Lux was a thing all the way up in Norway when my parents were teenagers in the 60s.
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May 25, 2021 22:33
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:Should I use timg for these huge maps, or just post em in full? Just post them unless they have super narrow aspect ratio. The full image loads even with timg and large images no longer break tables. They just rescale to column width. No harm done.
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May 26, 2021 00:22
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Platystemon posted:Just post them unless they have super narrow aspect ratio. I prefer timg because it lets me easily scroll up and down the thread, zooming in only where I need to.
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May 26, 2021 01:25
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Blut posted:5 wins for Luxembourg, 5 wins for the Netherlands and 5 wins for Ireland. The secret to Eurovision success appears to be enabling corporate tax evasion. That's 7 for Ireland based on that map (and 6 for Sweden)
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May 26, 2021 02:34
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Xelkelvos posted:That's 7 for Ireland based on that map (and 6 for Sweden) And weird, Luxembourg withdrew in 1994 and stopped participating after that? Odd. Here's a map of qualifiers since 1994:  So Eurovision has turned into like an entirely Eastern European thing? Like not even a single qualification for France, Germany, Spain, the UK, or Italy in 25 years? I guess that's why I basically never hear anything about it except when the finals come around and it shows up on the free tabloid newspaper for a day or two. VVV: Ahh, that makes way more sense. Weird map then, if it's impossible to directly compare countries. Saladman fucked around with this message at 13:43 on May 26, 2021 |
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May 26, 2021 11:15
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Saladman posted:And weird, Luxembourg withdrew in 1994 and stopped participating after that? Odd.
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May 26, 2021 11:18
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The big ones are automatically qualified, because they Fixed that for you. Yes, I would be salty for Eurovision, but this dumb system gave us this year’s UK entry in the finals and I just laughed for the entire three minutes.
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May 26, 2021 11:38
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Also anyone who is in the top 10 (I think) automatically qualifies the next time
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May 26, 2021 12:09
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Eurovision is the binocular football of music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChK_kp-P9I0
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May 26, 2021 12:09
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FreudianSlippers posted:Also anyone who is in the top 10 (I think) automatically qualifies the next time This was only a thing when there was one semifinal, not two. Currently only the big five + host (= previous winner) auto-qualify.
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May 26, 2021 12:23
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Back in the late 90s there was concern that the jury vote system was open to regional horse trading so the EBU decided to go towards televoting instead. This, of course, made everything worse. By 2010, the EBU decided to go towards a 50/50 split which levelled the playing field for Western Europe a little and, in 2016, decided to award jury and televoting points separately. Of course, this has rather exposed an uncomfortable truth, especially this year: black artists do much worse in the televote than the jury vote. Malta was the notable example, a potential winner which came third in the jury vote but fourteenth in the televote.
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May 27, 2021 04:14
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Young, attractive, and/or white artists tend to do better in televoting yeah. A winner is usually all three of these. Incidentally it gives me some semblance of hope that Eastern Europe keeps sending interchangeable scantily-clad ladies with early 2000's eurobeats and they didn't perform well this year.
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May 27, 2021 10:04
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After Bucks Fizz won, partially because of the costume change during the key change, a lot of acts tried with various successes to do the same. I think that trend pretty was finally killed stone dead after Germany sent Dita Von Teese to dance around and ended up 20th.
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May 27, 2021 10:29
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May 27, 2021 10:41
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Kaliningrad has been slowly moving north since the 40s.
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May 27, 2021 10:44
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TinTower posted:Malta was the notable example, a potential winner which came third in the jury vote but fourteenth in the televote.
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May 27, 2021 11:08
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Italy deserved the win and they have been slowly working on it for years, sending one good song after another - remember Mahmood? But that Malta song is an ear worm, you can’t deny that.
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May 27, 2021 11:13
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Deltasquid posted:What is that Soviet enclave in Eastern Europe...? Probably supposed to be albania. I want to know what happened to Rügen? Was it expanded and moved west? And the polish coast.
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May 27, 2021 12:34
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Glah posted:Problem with Malta is that their song sucked. Italy deserved the win and were almost robbed by the juries. Abolish the jury vote, democracy now! This one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQKiHr5qEfA? TinTower posted:Of course, this has rather exposed an uncomfortable truth, especially this year: black artists do much worse in the televote than the jury vote. Malta was the notable example, a potential winner which came third in the jury vote but fourteenth in the televote. TBH just from watching that video I would have guessed she was of Polynesian heritage, except maybe if I just saw the one scene with her in an afro wig. I'm not sure that racism is the best explanation for that particular singer, or at least not anti-African racism. It'd be interesting to see general stats on it, and I'm sure you're correct in the general trend. Seems like ripe statistics for a polisci paper. My wife lol'd at me when I first told her that many people were considered "black" in the US, like Trevor Noah.
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Deltasquid posted:What is that Soviet enclave in Eastern Europe...? Based on the shape it's Kaliningrad, but shifted far to the east along with the rest of the border. It looks like the USSR begins at more or less the Astrakhan-Archangel line. E: also note that the North Caucasus region is on the wrong side of the Caspian (and also it's just Russia not the USSR borders with the satellite republics) PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 16:12 on May 27, 2021 |
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May 27, 2021 16:03
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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May 27, 2021 17:09
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That just looks like the Asian part of the USSR but also including Kiev and parts of the Kola peninsula?
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May 27, 2021 17:21
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tractor fanatic posted:That just looks like the Asian part of the USSR but also including Kiev and parts of the Kola peninsula? That was my first thought but it's really not even close to the generally accepted Europe/Asia border.  Also, RIP Alaska
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Yeah it's literally some sort of affine transformation that's pushed modern day Russia a little south and very east. Upon closer inspection the USA is wrong too, though to a much less obvious degree. The great lakes don't match up with the flag overlay, and San Diego and Seattle have apparently been ceded away.
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TinTower posted:Back in the late 90s there was concern that the jury vote system was open to regional horse trading so the EBU decided to go towards televoting instead. It's possible, but Eurovision is a lot more inclusive than many other types of talent or award shows, I would wager, there's a pretty amazing variety in gender expression, sexuality, age and body type if you look at a historical list of all winners. It's true (IIRC) a black artist has never won Eurovision, but the percentage of black people in EBU countries is maybe something like 3% overall, yet every Eurovision edition I can think of in recent memory had a few black artists on stage. If countries didn't think black people could win the contest, they wouldn't send them.
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re: Malta in Eurovision While no one can deny that European are very racist in many ways, it should also be noted that Malta gets absolutely wrecked by televotes pretty much every time (you need a really good song to compensate for the lack of neighbouring countries and expats) note: on average country would get same score from both jury and public. 2016: Jury: 137, Televote: 16 2017: Jury: 55, Televote: 0 2018: Jury: 93, Televote: 8 2019: Jury: 87, Televote: 20 2021: Jury: 208, Televote: 47
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Pope Hilarius II posted:It's possible, but Eurovision is a lot more inclusive than many other types of talent or award shows, I would wager, there's a pretty amazing variety in gender expression, sexuality, age and body type if you look at a historical list of all winners. It's true (IIRC) a black artist has never won Eurovision, but the percentage of black people in EBU countries is maybe something like 3% overall, yet every Eurovision edition I can think of in recent memory had a few black artists on stage. If countries didn't think black people could win the contest, they wouldn't send them. Dave Benton was part of the Estonian winning act from 2001, but other than that, there haven't been any black winners. Saladman posted:This one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQKiHr5qEfA? It's not just anti-black racism, mind you — Australia also got bitten badly in 2017, when their Aboriginal Australian entry got 171 points from juries but only two from the televote — but this year it seemed more perniciously aimed towards the black performers. There's a really good twitter thread from someone who's way more into Eurovision than I am, though, and replies to the thread back the assumption up. https://twitter.com/scattermoon/status/1396398769516785666
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Kennel posted:That was my first thought but it's really not even close to the generally accepted Europe/Asia border. Just because Russia has a province much further west doesn't make that not part of the landmass of Europe.
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Doesn't Eurovision also have hilarious nationalist voting patterns? I've never followed it but I could have sworn I read something about people specifically voting against their nationals rivals.
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PittTheElder posted:Doesn't Eurovision also have hilarious nationalist voting patterns? I've never followed it but I could have sworn I read something about people specifically voting against their nationals rivals. Here's what I know about it 
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It's more or less accurate, but politics have shifted a bit since then. Ireland gave zero points to the UK this year (as did everybody else)
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