Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

ishikabibble posted:

I never understood the argument that modular phones/laptops/etc could reduce e-waste.

Even with computers being easier to build than ever, the vast, vast majority of users never touch the internals of any tech product they buy so the idea that it will somehow cut down on folks buying whole new systems when they could just upgrade one or two parts doesn't really work. And for the folks who do swap parts... It's not like 'an old graphics card' is any less e-waste than 'an old computer'. In fact it's probably worse, because it's way easier to simply repurpose an old complete system by just doing some some basic cleaning, wiping or replacing the harddrive, etc and then passing it on to any of the various charity organizations that donate older but still functional tech like that to low income communities/etc.

You're conflating "could modular computers reduce e-waste", to which the answer is objectively and undoubtedly "yes, since one doesn't need to scrap the whole shebang to replace one component", with "would I or people I personally know change my habits if we had a modular computer", to which your answer is "no". It's also irrelevant, because people on this very page say they would love to reduce waste in this way.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

George RR Fartin
Apr 16, 2003




Code Jockey posted:

I'm writing this post on one! I have a Sager laptop (that's a rebranded Clevo) and yeah, it cost me a nice chunk of change new, but in theory I can swap out everything in it including the video card (not that I need to, it has a 2070). If I remember though, upgrading the video card is so expensive that I may as well just buy a new laptop, but I have upgraded the RAM, put in a second SSD, and some other stuff I forget now. It's quite serviceable inside for being so thin.

e. To be fair I also bought it a TV round two years ago, so to your "still get" comment, I guess Clevo could've changed things since then to make them less serviceable now.

Mine's from 2011 and it's still a solid laptop even if the 650gt won't do anything remotely stressful and the battery is present only for show. I've replaced said battery (replacement lasted three years, so I suspect it was old stock), added ram, replaced the fan when the old one started chattering and got a new keyboard two years ago when one of the keys got stuck. I wouldn't want to haul it around exactly, but at the time the only small laptops were MacBook airs or netbooks.

Looks like the newest clevos can have 3080s in them for two and a half grand. Which, given the markup, may not be the worst way to go.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Not obsolete or failed but I don't know where else this fits: apparently people are communicating with prisoners via MTV3:s text TV page 893 (the "Family Forum").

http://www.mtvtekstikanava.fi/new2008/893-01.htm

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


3D Megadoodoo posted:

Not obsolete or failed but I don't know where else this fits: apparently people are communicating with prisoners via MTV3:s text TV page 893 (the "Family Forum").

http://www.mtvtekstikanava.fi/new2008/893-01.htm

Thats rad as.

Kamrat
Nov 27, 2012

Thanks for playing Alone in the dark 2.

Now please fuck off

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Not obsolete or failed but I don't know where else this fits: apparently people are communicating with prisoners via MTV3:s text TV page 893 (the "Family Forum").

http://www.mtvtekstikanava.fi/new2008/893-01.htm

Wow, is text-tv still a thing? All I ever used it for back in the day was to check the listings, but after I got regular access to the internet I just started checking online instead.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug
The Snyder cut came out recently, in the superior IMAX picture format. As such, it must be played on a superiorly formatted TV:



Played through my PS3, which serves the movie in glorious 576i 50Hz PAL RGB from Universal Media Server on my laptop. The TV is a Bang & Olufsen MX7000. Also in my retro setup is a softmodded Wii for 240P emulators, a modded XBOX, a modded PS2 and a Pioneer DVD-player, all hooked up via SCART.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

evobatman posted:

The Snyder cut came out recently, in the superior IMAX picture format. As such, it must be played on a superiorly formatted TV:



Played through my PS3, which serves the movie in glorious 576i 50Hz PAL RGB from Universal Media Server on my laptop. The TV is a Bang & Olufsen MX7000. Also in my retro setup is a softmodded Wii for 240P emulators, a modded XBOX, a modded PS2 and a Pioneer DVD-player, all hooked up via SCART.

Looks blurry as hell

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



That TV is cool as poo poo. B&O and Loewe put out some seriously sleek stuff in the 80s/90s. I dream of someday having a retro corner set up with a PVM and some kind of yuppie statement tv side by side.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I had an MX8000 for a while, with the motorized stand. As an overall package, it's probably one of the nicest 4:3 CRTs ever made, two SCART inputs with full RGB and S-Video and really drat good sound. And fully adjustable from an on-screen display, no need to take the back off to mess around with picture geometry settings. I never got it working right with 240p, but I know it should be able to do it.

In the end I had to sell it off, since it was huge, heavy (41kg!) and didn't get as much regular use as it deserved.

GTA Vice City was absolutely glorious in full neon color from an RGB-connected PS2, though.

KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 14:12 on May 18, 2021

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


KozmoNaut posted:

GTA Vice City was absolutely glorious in full neon color from an RGB-connected PS2, though.

Thanks for reminding me to actually try my PS2s component cables on my PSX

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
https://twitter.com/NYTransitMuseum/status/1396073391308906499?s=20

sarcastx
Feb 26, 2005



sarcastx posted:

Nomad Jukebox crap

I now have a fully working OG Nomad Jukebox (mfd 2000) and a way to get music onto it.
This took a frustrating amount of research and work, and I'm hoping to provide the information & files for whoever wants to do this next. What I don't know is the right site/location to put this stuff where it's available and easily locatable for whoever might need it.

The guides I am looking to post:
• Backing up the OS (your drive works) and/or writing the OS to a new drive (your drive's dead)
• Accessing the disk diagnostic menu & formatting a new drive
• Building a Windows 98VM, installing the required drivers and installing the Jukebox software
• Updating firmware/rolling back earlier firmware

The files I've gathered to this point:
• OS Disk images: first 65,536 sectors of Jukebox drive w/firmwares 2.01 & 4.01 (+goofy Creative demo MP3's)
• Firmware updaters (2.98, 4.01)
• Windows Device Drivers (tested w/98 but may work with up to 2000 - IIRC things don't work well with XP)
• an ISO of the CD that comes with the Nomad Jukebox which includes the software and an awful Flash autorun users guide
All of the above I'm sure won't qualify as :filez: but I do also have an image of some kid's whole 6GB HDD complete with awful pirated MP3s, complete with spammy metadata.

A hell of a time capsule haha

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?

Humphreys posted:

Thanks for reminding me to actually try my PS2s component cables on my PSX

They don’t work do they? Unless they contain a transcoder like the us Retrovision ones, since the ps1 doesn’t output ypbpr.

Vavrek
Mar 2, 2013

I like your style hombre, but this is no laughing matter. Assault on a police officer. Theft of police property. Illegal possession of a firearm. FIVE counts of attempted murder. That comes to... 29 dollars and 40 cents. Cash, cheque, or credit card?

sarcastx posted:

I now have a fully working OG Nomad Jukebox (mfd 2000) and a way to get music onto it.

Congratulations!

It's not something I would have pursued, but I'm glad to hear about your success. Always nice to see successfully running old tech.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


GutBomb posted:

They don’t work do they? Unless they contain a transcoder like the us Retrovision ones, since the ps1 doesn’t output ypbpr.

On the way to finding that cable I found a PS2toHDMI adaptor and tried that. No dice. I then got busy playing Neo Geo.

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

GutBomb posted:

They don’t work do they? Unless they contain a transcoder like the us Retrovision ones, since the ps1 doesn’t output ypbpr.

PS1 outputs component just fine. It expects a 200uf capacitor in the cable that is built into the PS2 bit that should only cause video noise as I understand it.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

So apparently OLED displays are prone to screen burn-in? Lmao.

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:

3D Megadoodoo posted:

So apparently OLED displays are prone to screen burn-in? Lmao.

Yes. Ever since my Galaxy Note I have specifically looked for non-OLED phones.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

SEKCobra posted:

Yes. Ever since my Galaxy Note I have specifically looked for non-OLED phones.

Oh gently caress I wasn't even thinking about phones. Then again I don't know if I'd give a poo poo if my (work) phone got burn-in so :shrug:

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?

Fantastic Foreskin posted:

PS1 outputs component just fine. It expects a 200uf capacitor in the cable that is built into the PS2 bit that should only cause video noise as I understand it.

I’m not trying to get into a whole thing about this, but it definitely does not output component video as it’s traditionally known. I know technically “component video” just means a video signal made up of multiple component signals (like red, green, blue, and sync) and technically even s-video is a form of “component” video but… the console itself does not output video in traditional YPbPr component video that people mean when they are talking about component video. No capacitor is going to make it do so.

I think you might be conflating something where you shouldn’t use a ps2 SCART cable on a PS1 because of the caps.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

My galaxy S2 got some status bar burn-in over time, but even at the end of its long life it was not especially problematic. I have had other OLED phones since, and I can't remember it being an issue on any of them.

On the other hand, the small OLED screen on my USB DAC is almost unreadable now - but that's a cheap monochrome part. (Using the old trick of each part of the screen being monochrome in a different color, so you get colors "for free").

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

GutBomb posted:

I’m not trying to get into a whole thing about this, but it definitely does not output component video as it’s traditionally known. I know technically “component video” just means a video signal made up of multiple component signals (like red, green, blue, and sync) and technically even s-video is a form of “component” video but… the console itself does not output video in traditional YPbPr component video that people mean when they are talking about component video. No capacitor is going to make it do so.

I think you might be conflating something where you shouldn’t use a ps2 SCART cable on a PS1 because of the caps.

Indeed I was.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

3D Megadoodoo posted:

So apparently OLED displays are prone to screen burn-in? Lmao.
Yeah, it's been a known problem forever.

The generations of TVs from about the 7-8 iteration of LG's line have active measures to prevent it (localized luminance dimming for logos, brightness limiter, sub-pixel mitigation, etc). You can still roll a bad screen or abuse it and get diminished quality though.

I'm wondering what the car manufacturers that have them as sweeping 30" dash sections are doing to mitigate the potential. That doesn't seem like a great implementation for the tech.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

GutBomb posted:

I’m not trying to get into a whole thing about this, but it definitely does not output component video as it’s traditionally known. I know technically “component video” just means a video signal made up of multiple component signals (like red, green, blue, and sync) and technically even s-video is a form of “component” video but… the console itself does not output video in traditional YPbPr component video that people mean when they are talking about component video. No capacitor is going to make it do so.

I think you might be conflating something where you shouldn’t use a ps2 SCART cable on a PS1 because of the caps.

I only have vague knowledge of the physical modding scene, but can a PS1 be modded to output higher quality?

I know there are things like that for the SNES

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

FilthyImp posted:

Yeah, it's been a known problem forever.

The generations of TVs from about the 7-8 iteration of LG's line have active measures to prevent it (localized luminance dimming for logos, brightness limiter, sub-pixel mitigation, etc). You can still roll a bad screen or abuse it and get diminished quality though.

I'm wondering what the car manufacturers that have them as sweeping 30" dash sections are doing to mitigate the potential. That doesn't seem like a great implementation for the tech.

I bought my Sony Bravia in like 2010 maybe? and when and if it breaks down, I'll just dig out a CRT from my storage. (I know CRTs have burn-in but I've never actually seen it myself, and I'm old.)

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

My old college had a 286 PS/2 hooked up as a Novell print server and the monitor had been displaying the same print queue screen 18 hours a day for probably 10-12 years. You could read every word even with the screen switched off.

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

Johnny Aztec posted:

I only have vague knowledge of the physical modding scene, but can a PS1 be modded to output higher quality?

I know there are things like that for the SNES

Yes, recently-ish someone came up with a digital-out mod for the PS1. Correcting my earlier mistatement, in the analog domain it natively outputs rgb, so you just need an rgb capable setup or rgb to component transcoder. PS2 rgb cables lack a capacitor PS1 rgb cables have so while it's my understanding they do work, they might have artifacts a proper cable wouldn't. Some people make cables they claim work fine for both though.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug
I've used the same cheap ebay cable for scart RGB on a PSOne, PS2 Fat, PS2 Slim and PS3 Super Slim. This is all with 50Hz PAL though, if you're in another region YMMV.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost

3D Megadoodoo posted:

I bought my Sony Bravia in like 2010 maybe? and when and if it breaks down, I'll just dig out a CRT from my storage. (I know CRTs have burn-in but I've never actually seen it myself, and I'm old.)

You are so lucky if you didn't have an aged relative with the Fox News logo burned into the corner of their CRT.

OLED screen burn-in is not really an issue unless you literally only watch one thing, and even then it would have to be a static portion with your brightness cranked way too high.

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009

3D Megadoodoo posted:

I bought my Sony Bravia in like 2010 maybe? and when and if it breaks down, I'll just dig out a CRT from my storage. (I know CRTs have burn-in but I've never actually seen it myself, and I'm old.)

Every CRT used for a POS system ever. I suspect it's entirely possible they were sold with the screens pre-burned in.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

It was always fun to run across a screen saver made by someone who didn't quite get the whole "saving screens" thing, so it had elements that were always on, in the same spot on the screen.

monolithburger
Sep 7, 2011
I kind of miss seeing outlines of the Goldeneye pause menu every time a screen shows something dark.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

FilthyImp posted:

I'm wondering what the car manufacturers that have them as sweeping 30" dash sections are doing to mitigate the potential. That doesn't seem like a great implementation for the tech.

If I remember the AI rants I've read correctly, most modern cars are designed to last one lease period (so what, 5-7 years?) and drop off a cliff afterwards. I would not be surprised if, ten years in, the screens are both nigh-impossible to replace, equally hard to find replacements for, and in a state where you'd definitely want to replace them.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



sarcastx posted:

I now have a fully working OG Nomad Jukebox (mfd 2000) and a way to get music onto it.
This took a frustrating amount of research and work, and I'm hoping to provide the information & files for whoever wants to do this next. What I don't know is the right site/location to put this stuff where it's available and easily locatable for whoever might need it.

The guides I am looking to post:
• Backing up the OS (your drive works) and/or writing the OS to a new drive (your drive's dead)
• Accessing the disk diagnostic menu & formatting a new drive
• Building a Windows 98VM, installing the required drivers and installing the Jukebox software
• Updating firmware/rolling back earlier firmware

The files I've gathered to this point:
• OS Disk images: first 65,536 sectors of Jukebox drive w/firmwares 2.01 & 4.01 (+goofy Creative demo MP3's)
• Firmware updaters (2.98, 4.01)
• Windows Device Drivers (tested w/98 but may work with up to 2000 - IIRC things don't work well with XP)
• an ISO of the CD that comes with the Nomad Jukebox which includes the software and an awful Flash autorun users guide
All of the above I'm sure won't qualify as :filez: but I do also have an image of some kid's whole 6GB HDD complete with awful pirated MP3s, complete with spammy metadata.

A hell of a time capsule haha

A github repository is pretty much exactly what you want. Write a nice detailed README and you're off to the races.

Ruflux
Jun 16, 2012

evobatman posted:

I've used the same cheap ebay cable for scart RGB on a PSOne, PS2 Fat, PS2 Slim and PS3 Super Slim. This is all with 50Hz PAL though, if you're in another region YMMV.

Back in the day I used to use a generic RGB SCART cable for both my PS1 and PS2 and yeah, it worked just fine. Probably would've for the PS3 too although by then I'd moved on to HDTVs and HDMI cables. I later bought the official component cable for the PS2 specifically to get the best quality out for HDTV use and I'm glad I did because SCART disappeared way faster than component did, and never existed on AV receivers to begin with.

The SCART cable did actually have one (deliberate, built-in, because Sony was a bunch of paranoid fucks) flaw when used with the PS2: the colors would be all hosed up when watching a DVD. It'd be all green as to deter piracy, apparently. I think I used my PS2 for DVDs like three times overall because who the hell didn't have a proper DVD player at that point so it didn't really matter.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost

Ruflux posted:

I later bought the official component cable for the PS2 specifically to get the best quality out for HDTV use and I'm glad I did

Oh man, I used to play Gran Turismo 3 on my 42" rear-projection HDTV, and it looked pretty good when you were in the sweet spot with the force feedback steering wheel.

Is 16 years long enough for nostalgia?

Horace
Apr 17, 2007

Gone Skiin'

Thomamelas posted:

Every CRT used for a POS system ever. I suspect it's entirely possible they were sold with the screens pre-burned in.

Also every single ATM had "INSERT CARD TO BEGIN" seared into the screen

endocriminologist
May 17, 2021

SUFFERINGLOVER:press send + soul + earth lol
inncntsoul:ok

(inncntsoul has left the game)

ARCHON_MASTER:lol
MAMMON69:lol
You can get one of those terrible Chinese emulation handhelds with fake wood

F4rt5
May 20, 2006

Nocheez posted:

Oh man, I used to play Gran Turismo 3 on my 42" rear-projection HDTV, and it looked pretty good when you were in the sweet spot with the force feedback steering wheel.

Is 16 years long enough for nostalgia?
GT4 was also awesome through component with its kinda-sorta 1080i mode. It actually looked fine on a 46" HDTV.

Didn't get a PS3 until like 2011, so it helped making the PS2 less obsolete.

Speaking of things being used way past its predicted death: That TV, a Samsung LE46C series, is still going strong as my daily driver. The panel has a bit of fading at the sides from sun exposure, and the lamp assembly takes a little while to reach sort-of-max brightness; the screw holes for the foot are stripped from many a dis- and reassembly due to moving, so it holds on by weight alone. But it hasn't died yet *knocks on wood*

e: for a few years it was on 8-16 hours a day, it's insane. Not a single dead pixel either.

Kinda amazed that I can now get a 55" 4K TV for 2/3 of what I paid for it back then.

F4rt5 has a new favorite as of 12:58 on May 25, 2021

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



endocriminologist posted:

You can get one of those terrible Chinese emulation handhelds with fake wood

Why not just use bamboo like every other cheap wooden thing? Fake wood won't develop that nice patina of sweat and cheeto dust.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply